Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[carlton_99]

Lol, you brought up Carlton having injuries against StK and are still talking about injuries being a factor.

But dont want to acknowledge how the H&A fixture and how easy your double up games are has a huge impact on the final H&A ladder.

Some teams (Port and Carlton) got soft H&A fixtures in 2024. The fact you think that benefitting from a soft fixture makes you a better team is genuinely baffling.

Carlton did not have a soft fixture but it suits your biased narrative so you can go ahead with that. And no I didn't bring up injuries to use it as an excuse for a loss I used it to show that basing a whole season comparison on one game makes zero sense. But again it suits your narrative so go ahead.

 

[carlton_99]

You'd better go into the new Carlton thread on the main board that just because Carlton beat some teams that finished higher on the ladder than them, it doesn't mean that those teams aren't better than Carlton...

Not sure what you are referring to...

 

[doppleganger]

Carlton did not have a soft fixture but it suits your biased narrative so you can go ahead with that.

There were two historically bad teams who both had 20+ losses.

30% of Carlton's wins came against those teams - it was a soft fixture.

And no I didn't bring up injuries to use it as an excuse for a loss

You brought up Carlton's injuries to excuse the loss to StK.

 

[Robertio]

There were two historically bad teams who both had 20+ losses.

30% of Carlton's wins came against those teams - it was a soft fixture.


You brought up Carlton's injuries to excuse the loss to StK.

No McKay, Curnow or De Koning might have something to do with the last kick loss whether you like it or not.

 

[doppleganger]

I never said the double ups don't have an impact - but as I have said previously there are heaps of other things that make the fixture uneven each year.

Yet despite being aware of how uneven different teams fixtures are, you still pretend the H&A ladder ranks who is a better team??

 

[doppleganger]

No McKay, Curnow or De Koning might have something to do with the last kick loss whether you like it or not.

Another Bagger rolling with the injury excuse

 

[carlton_99]

There were two historically bad teams who both had 20+ losses.

30% of Carlton's wins came against those teams - it was a soft fixture.


You brought up Carlton's injuries to excuse the loss to StK.

It wasn't a soft fixture and no I did no such thing.

 

[carlton_99]

Yet despite being aware of how uneven different teams fixtures are, you still pretend the H&A ladder ranks who is a better team??

I have explained this before - if you choose not to read it not much I can do

 

[Fadge]

Yet despite being aware of how uneven different teams fixtures are, you still pretend the H&A ladder ranks who is a better team??

Except when they want to try to tell us Carlton finished 3rd in 2023...

 

[Robertio]

Another Bagger rolling with the injury excuse

Pies couldn't win a game when they had injuries, pull your head in, blind Freddy could see we were undermanned.

 

[Worm4]

0-60 is shitting the bed and an obvious sign that a team undeservedly fell into the finals due to a soft draw, happens now and then

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Would rather lose an elimination by 28 points than to be gifted a win against Nth Melb by 1 point and watch your supporters celebrate like it was a GF.

 

[Robertio]

Except when they want to try to tell us Carlton finished 3rd in 2023...

Give us something new will you, you come out with the same crap day after day.

 

[doppleganger]

It wasn't a soft fixture and no I did no such thing.

Only Carlton picked up more than 30% of their wins against the two historically bad teams.

Remove the gimme points teams picked up against Rich and NM and Carlton have less points than Essendon, that is the impact a soft fixture has on the H&A ladder.

But yes, the best way to judge who is better is to ignore HTH results, like an 80 point WF flogging, and instead focus on a ladder which is based on unequal fixtures.

 

[doppleganger]

Pies couldn't win a game when they had injuries, pull your head in, blind Freddy could see we were undermanned.

Yes your other Bagger mate already brought up Carlton's injuries.

Good of you to confirm that Carlton lost because of injuries.

 

[Pistol Night]

Pies couldn't win a game when they had injuries, pull your head in, blind Freddy could see we were undermanned.

We didn't lose for 9 weeks mid year with heaps of injuries

 

[Pistol Night]

Would rather lose an elimination by 28 points than to be gifted a win against Nth Melb by 1 point and watch your supporters celebrate like it was a GF.

Thats some solid logic there

 

[Pistol Night]

I have explained this before - if you choose not to read it not much I can do

Mate you're too rational to get caught up in this.

 

[doppleganger]

I have explained this before - if you choose not to read it not much I can do

Yes, you rate Port as better than Geelong and GWS in 2024 because they were higher on the H&A ladder.

You choose to ignore that Port only finished higher on the H&A ladder because they had the easiest fixture of any team in 2024.

 

[Robertio]

Yes your other Bagger mate already brought up Carlton's injuries.

Good of you to confirm that Carlton lost because of injuries.

Nice try i didn't really say that, we lost because Kemp missed an easy goal with a minute or two to go.

 

[Robertio]

We didn't lose for 9 weeks mid year with heaps of injuries

You had an easy draw though.

 

[Arr0w]

"analysis"

Next, Pie supporters will tell us that they were unlucky and should have finished top 4

Enjoying the salt levels of a few though, especially when their last 60 odd years is closer to the output of the Saints

Oh boy

 

[Worm4]

Thats some solid logic there

Merely pointing out that Collingwood were kept in the finals race by virtue of a clear non decision that should have been paid and resulted in a win to Nth Melb. That result goes the other way, and the Pies finish 1 game clear of 14th.

 

[Pistol Night]

Merely pointing out that Collingwood were kept in the finals race by virtue of a clear non decision that should have been paid and resulted in a win to Nth Melb. That result goes the other way, and the Pies finish 1 game clear of 14th.

Yeah it was a disaster of a year really. We had a classic hangover

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yeah it was a disaster of a year really. We had a classic hangover

Still celebrating the flag the week before the first game and short on big men, we were never in it, whole club failed

Next year though......?

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[doppleganger]

Yeah it was a disaster of a year really. We had a classic hangover

Yep, never recovered from the premiership party in Cancun.

Whilst Pies nursing hangovers, poor old Bagger fans stuck on the Blueshakes.