Who will be gone at the end of next season

[stugots]

[One thing though cant understand the amount of people having a pot shot at Lucus. The bloke has played 187 games out of 210 since the start of the 2000 season. He has one year where he cops a contact injury(no fault of his in poor preparation) misses 13 games and his own fans a writing him off! Peoples memories are short, do you remember how fit he looked in the 2008 NAB cup? He would have had a boomer year without colliding with the gorilla from North in RD 1. [/FONT][/COLOR]

havent posted or read any pot shots at lucas, like many others i empathized greatly with scotty during those games last season when it was obvious he was still suffering injury & simply unable to perform anywhere near his best

if picking the squad was up to me, a fit lucas is in the 1st 1/2 dozen picked each week, but if he is struggling next season there will be 1 or 2 ready to take his place & knights has no option but to push the youth policy for all its worth

would hate to see scotty's end come that way

 

[The Donners]

Jobe watsons disposal has improved out of sight. dont know which football side you are watching. Before you go get me some stat showing that he has some ineffective disposals, try to keep in mind that, when your on the bottom of a pack, in the busiest parts of the ground, with 20 people around you, on all fours, it can be quite difficult to hit a target.

Jobe Watson is a star. In the top echelon of players at the bombers. Jay Nash will join him, as long as time is instilled in him.

I hate how some essendon supporters tear to shreds some of our bright hopes. If you want to lay into Nash, keep in mind that he has had the courage to train, day in day out, work hard, put his body on the line for the Essendon Football club - which im guessing is 100% more than what you have done.

Jay nash can play football. Im just sick of people getting in to him when he is clearly an up and comer for us.

Same goes for Laycock. Cops heaps of crap. Same sort of Crap that Hille used to cop at the same age....... (see common thread)

Brent Stanton is another one. He is our best midfielder (mcviegh is a utility), still he cops it for not being good enough.

We at Essendon, have been spoiled for too long of talent. We were lucky that when we went through a transition phase in the early 90's that we had guns. Mercuri, Hird, Misiti, Fletcher etc all came through in 93, so we didnt have the losing streak. then we had a bad year 98, then young blokes like Llyod, lucas, moorcroft, Heffernan, blumfield, the Johnsons, all came through and we averted the dreaded long haul of defeats. This time is hasnt happened. We expect our kids to come in and change the world from Day dot. but look at Geelong. They have been powerbrokers for the last 2 years. They had a few years of work put into the abletts, bartels, kellys, coreys,lings, wojinkski's, Stevie J's before they were gun footballers.
Geelong supporters and football followers thought that at the end of round 4 last year that they were hacks. All they needed was time to gel and bode together and develop and look, they won a flag. Did it the hard way, but they did it. They werent gifted gun young players like Hawthorn this year (except for Selwood). They just needed time. The same time i think that all of us at the Bombers should be prepared to give Knighter, and his players i.e Nash, Laycock etc the same time....... Paitence is a virtue....

TT over and out.

I was talking about Jobe Watson, not Nash, not Laycock... if you think Watson's disposal has improved you really are living in la la land.

On Nash, as for putting his body on the line... I don't think I've EVER seen Nash put his body on the line, soft as butter! Has no defensive skills whatsoever... is simply a backline receiver with an inconsistent kick.

I believe Laycock will come good so you can **** off with putting words in my mouth! I'm sick of that shit!

 

[The Donners]

After all that, all you can give me is a cliche...

Since when was saying something good about a player frowned upon?
Isn't the leagues best clearance king good enough for us now?
Is saying that "getting rid of him would just be absurd" thinking much too high of him, huh?

Are you ****ing SERIOUS!

Instead of using a cliche would you have preferred me to say, no, the league's best clearance king isn't good enough. If you can't hit a target, and the lord knows he missed so many targets, pick your game and he cost us several goals. There's handpassing at someone's bootlaces, kicking for targets that land 15 metres before the player gets to the ball, it's absolutely atrocicious, I get nervous whenever Jobe gets the ball cos I know the liklihood is he'll cough it up. He's too slow for AFL midfield which means he can't keep up with his opponents when he doesn't have the ball. Having a good footy brain and being an excellent gatherer of the pill means jack if you can't execute the ball correctly and that makes him a liability. Ask opposition supporters who aren't emotionally attached to Jobe what they think of him as a footballer. There is nothing wrong with saying something good about a player but when most of that good is bullshit it simply makes Essendon supporters look like morons pumping up average footballers. It's embarrassing!

Lonergan will more than fill any void Watson leaves.

 

[Sir James]

I was talking about Jobe Watson, not Nash, not Laycock... if you think Watson's disposal has improved you really are living in la la land.

On Nash, as for putting his body on the line... I don't think I've EVER seen Nash put his body on the line, soft as butter! Has no defensive skills whatsoever... is simply a backline receiver with an inconsistent kick.

I believe Laycock will come good so you can **** off with putting words in my mouth! I'm sick of that shit!

I think your wrong about Watson, his disposal has improved from 3.7% to 3.78%
I agree with your comment on Laycock, he will come good.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Lonergan will more than fill any void Watson leaves.

Overall Watson is a much better player than Lonergan...

I haven't seen Lonergan win us a game off his own boot yet from what he's played in. Jobe Watson brings more brilliance than anyone else in the side (excluding Mark McVeigh, he's just pure class) eg. We could be 20 points down in the last quarter and all we would need is to get the ball in Watsons hands, then shabangabang, we've hightened our chances of winning...

Watson is our best midfielder behind Mark McVeigh... Lonergan would have f'ing big shoes to fill if anyone would be stupid enough to give Jobe the ass.

If your so sure we've lost more games off him than won them, then prove it...

 

[table tennis]

I was talking about Jobe Watson, not Nash, not Laycock... if you think Watson's disposal has improved you really are living in la la land.

On Nash, as for putting his body on the line... I don't think I've EVER seen Nash put his body on the line, soft as butter! Has no defensive skills whatsoever... is simply a backline receiver with an inconsistent kick.

I believe Laycock will come good so you can **** off with putting words in my mouth! I'm sick of that shit!

Your a knob. Do you bash kids at the park and steal thier icecreams?? You sound like you would fit the bill.

I didnt say you said anything. i was having a rant about in general.

This world or forum do not revolve around you.

Your the one in La La Land.

When you can read and write properly, and accept that the paragraph above is only breifly about you, then come back and apologise,

 

[The Donners]

Overall Watson is a much better player than Lonergan...

I haven't seen Lonergan win us a game off his own boot yet from what he's played in. Jobe Watson brings more brilliance than anyone else in the side (excluding Mark McVeigh, he's just pure class) eg. We could be 20 points down in the last quarter and all we would need is to get the ball in Watsons hands, then shabangabang, we've hightened our chances of winning...

Watson is our best midfielder behind Mark McVeigh... Lonergan would have f'ing big shoes to fill if anyone would be stupid enough to give Jobe the ass.

If your so sure we've lost more games off him than won them, then prove it...

Round 9 vs Richmond at MCG.
Round 19 vs West Coast at Subiaco.

And he played a hand in the other 12 losses.

Prove that he's won a game off his own boot.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Round 9 vs Richmond at MCG.
Round 19 vs West Coast at Subiaco.

And he played a hand in the other 12 losses.

Prove that he's won a game off his own boot.

How exactly did he lose us those games???

As far as I know in round nine Watson was not as effective as usual... Hille was constantly on and off the field with his neck injury and all we had at backup ruck was Paddy Ryder... How is not been able to make an impact losing us the game, he was though I admit very sloppy that night but in return he was coming back from injury.

Round 19... lol... He was put in as one of our best players on ground...


Now here are some games he won us...:

Round 17: v Collingwood: 41 possies, 6 inside 50's, clearly B.O.G...
Round 14: v Fremantle: 36 possies, well and truly B.O.G!!!

 

[The Donners]

Round 19... lol... He was put in as one of our best players on ground...


Now here are some games he won us...:

Round 17: v Collingwood: 41 possies, 6 inside 50's, clearly B.O.G...
Round 14: v Fremantle: 36 possies, well and truly B.O.G!!!

If in round 9 Watson was put in as one of our best it was based purely on 31 possessions, not his use of the ball or his work without the ball.

As for reeling off his number of possessions, less is sometimes more when you take into account who has those possessions. Who would you prefer to have the ball, Lovett, McVeigh, Prismall, Myers, Reimers, Lloyd, Lucas, or Watson? I think I've answered my own question, therein lies the reason Watson is considered amongst our best, there are very few players at our club that have high skill levels by disposal but in reality if you compare him to opposition midfield players of successful teams, he just does not match up well.

Surely Andrew Welsh was BOG against the Pies in round 17. I paid particularly close attention to how he played as I had just moved him into my SuperCoach! (and no I'm not basing his game on SC points )

To be honest, the highlight of the Fremantle game was Mcphee. He was dropping marks left right and centre, having a shocker... and then completely redeemed himself by selflessly crashing into Schammer when he knew it would hurt, that won us the game off his own boot (figuretively speaking)!

 

[stay true]

Jobe is much much more important than some think.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Disposal efficiency in 2008:

Jobe Watson - 71.14%
Simon Black - 66.44 ... and Black was close to winning another brownlow.
Mark McVeigh - 68.89 ( the new love child of every Essendon supporter. His flaws cannot be seen anymore)

Anyone doubting Watson's ability has no idea.

 

[stay true]

Wow, even I'm surprised at that.

Backs up my call anyway

 

[Windas_Magic]

Disposal efficiency in 2008:

Jobe Watson - 71.14%
Simon Black - 66.44 ... and Black was close to winning another brownlow.
Mark McVeigh - 68.89 ( the new love child of every Essendon supporter. His flaws cannot be seen anymore)

Anyone doubting Watson's ability has no idea.

Those stats mean nothing.
Watson is by far the most disposer of the ball out of those three and i bet that his kicking efficency isn't 71%.
Watson is an important player to our midfield, there is no doubting that, but his lack of pace and inconsistent kicking are two major flaws that he needs to rectify.

When Jobe is on, his kicking is fine, but when he starts to get lazy and lean back and kick off one step, his kicks go everywhere.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Jobe is much much more important than some think.

Bloody Oath... We all know his disposal isn't making him look like the superstar that he is at the moment. But lack of skill or not, we need this guy and have always needed him...

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Disposal efficiency in 2008:

Jobe Watson - 71.14%
Simon Black - 66.44 ... and Black was close to winning another brownlow.
Mark McVeigh - 68.89 ( the new love child of every Essendon supporter. His flaws cannot be seen anymore)

Anyone doubting Watson's ability has no idea.

lol... with the ratio of 3 handballs to 1 kick...

 

[stay true]

Don't forget his best asset is winning the ball in and under. With a couple of elite outsiders running by him for the quick hands, he'll look like a superstar.

 

[The Donners]

Don't forget his best asset is winning the ball in and under. With a couple of elite outsiders running by him for the quick hands, he'll look like a superstar.

That is a distinct possibility... but it doesn't fix his lack of speed or his lack of ability to cover any attack from his immediate opponent. Furthermore we don't have elite outside runners hence an alternative is required.

 

[stay true]

Well that could change depending on who we draft and which of the young midfielders we currently have step up their game.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

That is a distinct possibility... but it doesn't fix his lack of speed or his lack of ability to cover any attack from his immediate opponent. Furthermore we don't have elite outside runners hence an alternative is required.

2008 tackles:

Watson - 3.6
McVeigh - 3.1

Career:

Watson - 3.1
McVeigh - 2.6

 

[table tennis]

If in round 9 Watson was put in as one of our best it was based purely on 31 possessions, not his use of the ball or his work without the ball.

As for reeling off his number of possessions, less is sometimes more when you take into account who has those possessions. Who would you prefer to have the ball, Lovett, McVeigh, Prismall, Myers, Reimers, Lloyd, Lucas, or Watson? I think I've answered my own question, therein lies the reason Watson is considered amongst our best, there are very few players at our club that have high skill levels by disposal but in reality if you compare him to opposition midfield players of successful teams, he just does not match up well.

Surely Andrew Welsh was BOG against the Pies in round 17. I paid particularly close attention to how he played as I had just moved him into my SuperCoach! (and no I'm not basing his game on SC points )

To be honest, the highlight of the Fremantle game was Mcphee. He was dropping marks left right and centre, having a shocker... and then completely redeemed himself by selflessly crashing into Schammer when he knew it would hurt, that won us the game off his own boot (figuretively speaking)!

Jobe Watson is the reason those blokes get the ball in thier hands.

Jobe watson had 17 clearances at half time of the game against Collingwood. A record for a half of footy. Surely that would hold in pretty good stead to being BOG. I think he finished with 19 or 20 clearances and 41 possesions. not a bad day out.

 

[Phat Toni]

lol... with the ratio of 3 handballs to 1 kick...

LOL - how about you play fair, not even Diesel in his best years had a 2 to 1 handball ration, so don’t make up numbers to suit your argument.

 

[The Donners]

Jobe Watson is the reason those blokes get the ball in thier hands.

Jobe watson had 17 clearances at half time of the game against Collingwood. A record for a half of footy. Surely that would hold in pretty good stead to being BOG. I think he finished with 19 or 20 clearances and 41 possesions. not a bad day out.

Fantastic, clearances don't mean jack if they don't hit your man... didn't Welsh have 4 goals and picked up 20 possessions by half-time? I'm tipping Watson didn't clear it out to Welsh who, as of the second half of the season, became a clearance king himself... his first crack at it!

 

[stay true]

We beat a top 6 by almost 50 points. I don't think it's outrageous to say that the majority of Watson's 20 odd clearances actually went to Essendon players and actually contributed to the win.

Sure Welsh kicked 4 (i think) in the first quarter, but it wasn't all him.

 

[Jono B]

Fantastic, clearances don't mean jack if they don't hit your man... didn't Welsh have 4 goals and picked up 20 possessions by half-time? I'm tipping Watson didn't clear it out to Welsh who, as of the second half of the season, became a clearance king himself... his first crack at it!

I am pretty sure he only had one or two clangers in the whole game.

 

[Merv]

Fantastic, clearances don't mean jack if they don't hit your man... didn't Welsh have 4 goals and picked up 20 possessions by half-time? I'm tipping Watson didn't clear it out to Welsh who, as of the second half of the season, became a clearance king himself... his first crack at it!

I previously replied to your slagging of Watson's disposal but deleted it as i really cbf'ed arguing.

You are completely biased against certain players and this clouds your judgment.

Some points you make are valid but when they improve in certain areas you refuse to acknowledge it due to your bias.

Watson's disposal has improved this year and while he still makes some clangers, he also has improved a fair amount, which you refuse to acknowledge.