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Why do people rate Pavlich ahead of Riewoldt ?
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Pavlich DOB: 31.12.81 (age 27 years, 6 months) - 207 games, drafted 1999
Riewoldt DOB: 17.10.82 (age 26 years, 9 months) - 172 games, drafted 2000
That's a whopping 9 months difference and one whole draft year in age.
It's going to be pretty hard for St Nick to catch up 3 AAs in just the one season.
Riewoldt's work rate alone puts him right up there in my book. Whether he has the natural ability of Pav is debatable, but the way he works out of his skin to get himself in a decent position, week in week out, is second to none.
Maybe just his conversion rate is in question. But this yeat especially, he's certainly giving himself every opportunity to be improving it.
Saints have more often than not been the better team, so it would be interesting to see Pav play for a team like the Saints and see how he would go. Roo works very hard, but has better help around him as well.
Maybe just his conversion rate is in question. But this yeat especially, he's certainly giving himself every opportunity to be improving it.
Saints have more often than not been the better team, so it would be interesting to see Pav play for a team like the Saints and see how he would go. Roo works very hard, but has better help around him as well.
Oops you might want to check that again...
Pavlich DOB: 31.12.81 (age 27 years, 6 months) - 207 games, drafted 1999
Riewoldt DOB: 17.10.82 (age 26 years, 9 months) - 172 games, drafted 2000
That's a whopping 9 months difference and one whole draft year in age.
It's going to be pretty hard for St Nick to catch up 3 AAs in just the one season.
amazing endurance when you consider his workoad.
An extra 35 games played.
i know that Roo is having a magnificent season, and Pav is currently out with injury, but since when has Riewoldt been anyone near as damaging a player as Pav??
Pav >>> Riewoldt. If you want someone to lead tirelessly all day you'd take Riewoldt, but i personally think if you want a match-winner out of the two Pavlich is leagues ahead
Pav >>> Riewoldt. If you want someone to lead tirelessly all day you'd take Riewoldt, but i personally think if you want a match-winner out of the two Pavlich is leagues ahead
JeffDunne
TheBrownDog
LMFAO - doesn't your team need to win occassionally to be considered a "match-winner"?
Roo was the difference between us finishing mid pack and top 4 last season. That's what I'd call a "match-winner".
Rubbish!! so Pav sacrificing his own game by playing in the middle is not selfless? He lost weight in the pre season so he could play more game time in the midfield where we have lost so much experience from last years retirements.
JeffDunne
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That's funny.
It could be argued that wanting to get out of a forward line with limited opportunities was done to improve his prospects rather than the team's.
highflyer91
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yeah your right freo hasnt won a single game in the 10 seasons pav has been playing for them
Now you're pushing the friendship Jeff...
Freo do win occasionly and its generally on the back of a herculian performance from Pav. Riewoldt wouldnt be half the player Pavlich is in this Freo team. Cant you just admit that despite looking good on the stats sheet up until 2009 Riewoldt has never been anywhere near damaging enough for the amount of ball he gets. Pavlich has him covered in just about every area, including leadership, except perhaps marking ability on the lead. Pav is a better kick, Pav is a better contested ball winner, and i would back Pav in a pack-mark situation over Riewoldt. Pav all the way.
JeffDunne
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Where would he get more than he gets at Freo?
He must be earning a fair chunk of their cap this season.
Personally, I think that's a nonsense counter argument.
He could be at Adelaide or Port for similar money and more of a chance to win something...so no nonsense there at all
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Selfish for premierships he means.
He is an Adelaide boy, he could have gone back there or to Port for bigger money and more fame and been the biggest star in the small hick town of Adelaide rather than playing for a no name team like Freo Heave Ho.
He is an Adelaide boy, he could have gone back there or to Port for bigger money and more fame and been the biggest star in the small hick town of Adelaide rather than playing for a no name team like Freo Heave Ho.
JeffDunne
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They are hardly teams that throw around dollars to attract big name recruits.
There is also the little problem of how he would have facilitated a trade to either.
Tell me, who else at Freo would be getting big dollars?
At the moment Sandilands
You're really showing your bias quite badly here. So far you've insinuated Pav is selfish, money hungry and pea hearted whilst downplaying his AA jumpers and best and fairests.
Apart from grudgingly (very, very grudgingly) admitting Pav is more versatile you really haven't managed to say anything positive.
Right... so your saying that he moved out of the foward line because of "limited opportunities"
Pavlich in Bold. Riewoldt Not in Bold.
2005: 61 33
2006: 71 60
2007: 72 42
2008: 67 65
So even though most (if not all) of 07 and 08 we had a midfield which was probably half as good as St.Kilda's Pavlich playing foward still managed to kick more goals.
Now obviously i didn't add this year because Pavlich is playing the midfield, not because of lack of opportunities, but because thats where we need him. (This year Roo: 45 goals, Pav: 22 goals)
If anything this shows you how good Pavlich really is. Even with a crab midfield he can still kick huge amounts of goals and i'm sure if it wasn't for him most of the wins in 07/08 wouldn't have happened in the first place.
*edit: The Stats are goals kicked in the season btw.
JeffDunne
TheBrownDog
I did?
Said he was selfish and I don't rate AA's as definitive, other than that, you mad up the rest for dramatic effect.
Not only said he was more versatile but that he had more natural talent.
Sorry, I know your club doesn't have a lot to talk up ATM, but I think you're being a tad precious.
JeffDunne
TheBrownDog
The comment was made about this year so your "stats" are meaningless in regards to that point.
I agree with the latter part but the first part proves nothing.
On that measure you'd have to argue Fev is better than Pav (which he clearly isn't). I can name plenty of other examples.
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Pavlich has been a better player than Reiwoldt over his career.
Plus if you put Reiwoldt in the Freo team and Pav in the current Saints team, Pavlich kicks over 100 goals for the year and possibly wins the Brownlow and the Coleman and the Norm Smith and a premiership medal.
Plus if you put Reiwoldt in the Freo team and Pav in the current Saints team, Pavlich kicks over 100 goals for the year and possibly wins the Brownlow and the Coleman and the Norm Smith and a premiership medal.
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