Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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[10571z]

Maybe we need morality police to go around checking people for culturally acceptable attire?

Sunnies and thongs from a servo? Approved!

Havaianas and linen sun shirt? Out!

Many countries have successfully banned the Burqa. This is hardly an outrageous suggestion

 

[evolved2]

Maybe we need morality police to go around checking people for culturally acceptable attire?

Sunnies and thongs from a servo? Approved!

Havaianas and linen sun shirt? Out!

Try walking naked in public and see what happens. Nudity is the norm for the animal kingdom, but taboo for humans. We're a weird species.

 

[Chief]

Many countries have successfully banned the Burqa. This is hardly an outrageous suggestion

Which ones? I can't recall any Western countries doing it.

I agree that it is not a good practice for many reasons, but naively I think maybe education is a better route away from these sorts of practices.

Laws against FORCING women to wear them would of course be good. Maybe coercive control laws would work? I haven't read them though.

 

[Chief]

Try walking naked in public and see what happens. Nudity is the norm for the animal kingdom, but taboo for humans. We're a weird species.

How long until they let you out of the lockup?

 

[Number37]

Look at the spread of primary votes from the last federal election and tell me whether you think the SRP is representative of Australian voters.

I'm aware that my opposition to organised religion is an outlier that will not be adopted into policy by any major political party - that includes the Greens.

You're safe from us evil atheists for now!

Is there some sort of rule that the SRP needs to be representative of Aussie voters?
I think, no.

Atheists aren't evil. They're just people like everyone else.
Atheists: Religious people are so judgy.
Also atheists: what sort of an idiot believes in a sky fairy. We should ban religion.

 

[evolved2]

Is there some sort of rule that the SRP needs to be representative of Aussie voters?
I think, no.

Never said it had to be representative. You missed the point.

Atheists aren't evil. They're just people like everyone else.
Atheists: Religious people are so judgy.

I don't care if they're judgemental.

Also atheists: what sort of an idiot believes in a sky fairy.

I wouldn't say they're stupid, just delusional in that area. Many are unable to move past childhood indoctrination and look at their theism objectively.

We should ban religion.

A vast majority of atheists do not want to ban religion. I don't know anyone who does want to ban it - as I said, your fears are unfounded.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Never said it had to be representative. You missed the point.

I don't care if they're judgemental.

I wouldn't say they're stupid, just delusional in that area. Many are unable to move past childhood indoctrination and look at their theism objectively.

A vast majority of atheists do not want to ban religion. I don't know anyone who does want to ban it - as I said, your fears are unfounded.

It would be a can of worms, is belief in "Ghosts" for example a religion? It could be if you structured it that way.
How do you ban religions?
Official Organisations?
Gatherings?
Prayers before bed time?

 

[Carringbush2010]

We can clearly make sensible decisions about what cultural things can be allowed in our country. Claiming “Chinese food” is similar to people wearing a Burqa is laughable

Well neither Chinese food or Burqa's are a threat, what are you worried about?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Well neither Chinese food or Burqa's are a threat, what are you worried about?

Its annoying when you buy a Pizza in Malaysia and they only have beef on them, just not the same as Ham.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You're using a very narrow definition of patriarchy - look at the second and third definitions below.

The entire works of the main Abrahamic books, including the Qur'an, were written by men in the 7th century or earlier. There is no input by women in the Qur'an.

Definition of patriarchy:
1. A social system in which the father is the head of the family.
2. A family, community, or society based on this system or governed by men.
3. Dominance of a society by men, or the values that uphold such dominance.
The American Heritage® Dictionary

None of which infers that patriarchs are aholes, which confirms that no one should be using the term as a pejorative.

Just as no one should be using the term woke as a pejorative.

It's in bad faith

To say the burqa is merely cultural clothing is similar to saying that limiting education for girls is a cultural rule. I'm surprised you'd equate the burqa to pizza or cricket; it's just not cricket!

Either or, the similarity it is that neither pizza or a burqa are not a cultural or societal threat. So what's the worry?

Yeah I get it's an oppressive symbol for muslim women, but that's none of our business, if it is used as an oppressive tool against Australian women or against Australian society, then we have a problem, until then we shouldn't be using it in bad faith to criticize islam.

With due respect, we're discussing Islam in this thread.

With due respect, I get the impression that 10571z and yourself are using the 'burqa is oppressive' in bad faith to criticize islam.

If islam starts effecting me or our society directly then I'll jump on the fear bandwagon.

Until then, as much as I dislike islam as a religion, I will acknowledge anyone's right to practice this faith so long as that does not effect our society.

 

[10571z]

Well neither Chinese food or Burqa's are a threat, what are you worried about?

I believe burqas are a threat to a cohesive successful society. It goes against Australian values and we simply don’t need to tolerate it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I believe burqas are a threat to a cohesive successful society. It goes against Australian values and we simply don’t need to tolerate it.

Sounds like you don't have Australian values.

 

[10571z]

Sounds like you don't have Australian values.

Why’s that? Because I don’t want to see women oppressed via a Stone Age rule?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Why’s that? Because I don’t want to see women oppressed via a Stone Age rule?

You said you don't tolerate them. Which is a form of oppression.

Are you really that dense that you can't see that?

You are clearly a bigot.

 

[10571z]

You said you don't tolerate them. Which is a form of oppression.

Are you really that dense that you can't see that?

You are clearly a bigot.

If people from an African tribe migrated over here and they were traditionally naked would you be ok with that in public?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If people from an African tribe migrated over here and they were traditionally naked would you be ok with that in public?

Sure. I'm not a prude.

 

[10571z]

Sure. I'm not a prude.

Well I’d suggest most wouldn’t. Would you be ok with child marriages? Many women in Afghanistan are married well below 18?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Well I’d suggest most wouldn’t. Would you be ok with child marriages? Many women in Afghanistan are married well below 18?

No. There are US states where this is legal. A majority Christian country.

But you don't have an issue with christian immigrants, do you?

 

[10571z]

No. There are US states where this is legal. A majority Christian country.

But you don't have an issue with christian immigrants, do you?

If they came here as tried to marry a person under 18 absolutely.

Why cant you accept their traditions?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Shall we pretend that female genital mutilation doesn't exist?
And yes, male circumcision is also not good, but its not as bad.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Shall we pretend that female genital mutilation doesn't exist?
And yes, male circumcision is also not good, but its not as bad.

Why is it not as bad? Because Israel does it?

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation.

 

[10571z]

Why is it not as bad? Because Israel does it?

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation.

oh please comparing a circumcision to some types of female genital mutilation is absolutely insane.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

oh please comparing a circumcision to some types of female genital mutilation is absolutely insane.

Some types of circumcision end really badly. 99.99% of circumcisions are done without consent.

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation.

 

[10571z]

Some types of circumcision end really badly.

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation.

Interesting take. I can’t imagine many would agree a circumcision is on par with sewing your daughters vagina up to preserve her virginity but you do you…

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Interesting take. I can’t imagine many would agree a circumcision is on par with sewing your daughters vagina up to preserve her virginity but you do you…

My point is mutilating your child's genitals is sick, evil, twisted.

Regardless of gender.

Yet here you are, arguing against that.

Australian values, you say. Go wave ya flag.