Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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[Ghost Patrol]

If you shoot guns randomly routinely , you will have routine deaths.

Celebratory gunfire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shooting of people at schools is different.
As Australia identified , if you can't get your hands on an Automatic weapon when you go off the rails, then you won't be able to kill so many people.

You are correct - school shootings are much worse than celebratory gunfire.

 

[sr36]

If you shoot guns randomly routinely , you will have routine deaths.

Celebratory gunfire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shooting of people at schools is different.
As Australia identified , if you can't get your hands on an Automatic weapon when you go off the rails, then you won't be able to kill so many people.s

I misunderstood. You mean the shooting up in the air in a fireworks style celebration which lands on someone?

That's cultural too. And if yor society is safety conscious enough or enough of a nanny state if that's your view of it. It gets based and practice gone like fireworks in Australia

If something occurs a lot more in one culture tan another. It's cultural - pretty much definitively so.

 

[Number37]

Murder happens in every culture, but surely you'd acknowledge that America's higher rates are connected to cultural attitudes towards guns and/or other cultural factors?

What?
Murder is not cultural.
Easier access to lethal weapons doesn't make murder cultural.

 

[sr36]

What?
Murder is not cultural.
Easier access to lethal weapons doesn't make murder cultural.

Of course rates of murder are impacted by cultural factors as are rates of dv, suicide, theft, divorce, marriage, etc...

And of course one culture choosing to have easier access to weapons is cultural.

What do you think culture is? A book, some clothes, festivals and food? Anything else?

 

[Number37]

Of course rates of murder are impacted by cultural factors as are rates of dv, suicide, theft, divorce, marriage, etc...

And of course one culture having easier access to weapons is cultural.

What do you think culture is? A book, some clothes, festivals and food? Anything else?

You just made the argument that America has higher rates of murder because of gun controls.

Gun controls are not cultural.
58% of Americans favour stricter gun laws.

If gun controls were cultural then I would imagine that the majority would be not be in favour of stricter controls.

 

[sr36]

You just made the argument that America has higher rates of murder because of gun controls.

Gun controls are not cultural.
58% of Americans favour stricter gun laws.

If gun controls were cultural then I would imagine that the majority would be not be in favour of stricter controls.

Why do you think different cultures have different laws that prioritise different things? Do you think that laws just fall from the sky? Do you then think that these laws don't then impact or shape a culture at all.

 

[Number37]

Why do you think different cultures have different laws that prioritise different things? Do you think that laws just fall from the sky? Do you then think that these laws don't then impact or shape a culture at all.

Yes, laws fall from the sky.

 

[sr36]

Yes, laws fall from the sky.

Via Gabriel.

 

[Number37]

Via Gabriel.

Gabriel isn't in the sky.

 

[demondavey]

Why do you think different cultures have different laws that prioritise different things? Do you think that laws just fall from the sky? Do you then think that these laws don't then impact or shape a culture at all.

It’s a constitutional principle. It’s not cultural.

 

[sr36]

It’s a constitutional principle. It’s not cultural.

There is a constitutional principle protecting the right to have guns that exists for historical and cultural reasons. And which has also almost certainly continued to impact cultural attitudes towards gun ownership up until the present day.

And frankly, regardless of how or why, America has a different culture around gun ownership than most other countries. I can't believe I'm having to justify this comment. It really isn't debateable.

 

[demondavey]

There is a constitutional principle protecting the right to have guns that exists for historical and cultural reasons. And which has also almost certainly continued to impact cultural attitudes towards gun ownership up until the present day.

And frankly, regardless of how or why, America has a different culture around gun ownership than most other countries. I can't believe I'm having to justify this comment. It really isn't debateable.

Thats a fair reply. Granted.

For me the issue is X number of school shootings every year. Wonder why that is?

 

[sr36]

Thats a fair reply. Granted.

For me the issue is X number of school shootings every year. Wonder why that is?

Underneath the murder, manslaughter and self defence deaths from guns each year - they have about 500 accidental deaths from guns a year.

 

[Number37]

There is a constitutional principle protecting the right to have guns that exists for historical and cultural reasons. And which has also almost certainly continued to impact cultural attitudes towards gun ownership up until the present day.

And frankly, regardless of how or why, America has a different culture around gun ownership than most other countries. I can't believe I'm having to justify this comment. It really isn't debateable.

Less than half of Americans own a gun. That stat has been the same for the last 50 years.

 

[sr36]

Less than half of Americans own a gun. That stat has been the same for the last 50 years.

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Yes. As the graph shows, the rates of gun ownership are high in America and have been for over 50 years. Guns play a much bigger part in their culture than most other non war torn cultures. And in some states it's well above those rates. But hey, continue to argue the unarguable because it somehow connects to some claim you made a couple of weeks ago, which you couldn't possibly walk back. That's not the bigfooty way.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Most Americans use their guns responsibly.
However when someone has a little "off the rails episode" , it doesn't help that they can quickly and easily get their hands on an automatic weapon.

Crazy Fred running down the street of Sydney with a machete, is no match for Crazy Larry running down the street of Detroit with a machine gun.

 

[ZEV]

Most Americans use their guns responsibly.
However when someone has a little "off the rails episode" , it doesn't help that they can quickly and easily get their hands on an automatic weapon.

Crazy Fred running down the street of Sydney with a machete, is no match for Crazy Larry running down the street of Detroit with a machine gun.

Big difference between semi-auto and full automatic.

 

[Chief]

Less than half of Americans own a gun. That stat has been the same for the last 50 years.

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What are the current numbers of weapons in circulation over there?

Plus... did they count the people in possession of unregistered guns? Stolen guns?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Big difference between semi-auto and full automatic.

Not really, a lot of semi's can be easily converted. Need a bigger magazine though.

 

[Number37]

What are the current numbers of weapons in circulation over there?

Plus... did they count the people in possession of unregistered guns? Stolen guns?

I''ll find the stats but from memory, it was over a billion guns.

A significant proportion of guns end up in South America, so not only do American guns cause carnage in the USA they are huge factor in the cartels having so much power throughout South America.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What are the current numbers of weapons in circulation over there?

Plus... did they count the people in possession of unregistered guns? Stolen guns?

There are more weapons than people, by a fair margin.
But less than half the population have weapons.
So it seems obvious that lots of people have "a lot" of weapons.

And the number of unregistered ( estimated ) is kind of scary.

Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Falkland islands WTF? 3000 people and they can't even make them all register their guns?

 

[ZEV]

When Islam is twisted and distorted. Terrifying.

Taliban ban Afghanistan women from raising voices

The new law, banning women from raising their voice in public, is the latest crushing women's rights.

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[Sinjin Smith]

When Islam is twisted and distorted. Terrifying.

Taliban ban Afghanistan women from raising voices

The new law, banning women from raising their voice in public, is the latest crushing women's rights.

www.bbc.com

That's ****ed up. Make no mistake i detest the ultra conservative Islamic factions such as the Taliban, Wahabbi's, Daesh boko haram etc but they're not representative of all of Islam.

Same as I dont think the Westboro nutjobs represent the majority of Christians.