Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

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[Frank Bunn]

Big Pharma bro, they are in it with Mossad. Nothing that sorted posts surprises me anymore.

Your usual MO. Start by trying to argue logically then when the facts become inconvenient you revert to gaslighting.

 

[Evolved1]

We're going back in time in this thread on this stuff.

Merck is making $ more from the vaccines than they could do from Ivermectin.

President Biden announced Tuesday that pharmaceutical giant Merck will help make Johnson & Johnson’s single-shot coronavirus vaccine — an unusual pact between fierce rivals that is among several steps intended to boost supply as Biden pushes toward having enough shots for every adult by the end of May.

The administration will pay $268.8 million to Merck to upgrade multiple plants to the necessary safety standards to produce Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

Contract manufacturing is widespread in pharma. Don't read too much into it.

 

[Total Power]

Your usual MO. Start by trying to argue logically then when the facts become inconvenient you revert to gaslighting.

Facts? FACTS? Says someone who quotes Elgazaar Pre-print as an evidence (revision from a debunked paper which hasn't been peer reviewed yet) and backed it up with Pierre Kory of FLCCC.

Facts??!!!?!? you should not mention the word fact ever again in this thread.

 

[Royal Flush]

Interesting read the article within the tweet



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[Chief]

Merck is making $ more from the vaccines than they could do from Ivermectin.

You think everyone in the world gobbling down their cheap pills wouldn’t skyrocket their stocks?

And what would the destruction of their rivals vaccine income do for them competitively?

The proof for Ivermectin is scattershot, weak, and conflicting.

Let go of it.

 

[Werewolf]

They’re getting less deaths with far more cases than this time last year because they essentially stopped vaccinating at 60% in April, declared victory and opened up completely.

Left themselves wide open to delta and are scrambling with boosters.

Daily share of the population receiving a COVID-19 vaccine dose

7-day rolling average. All doses, including boosters, are counted individually.

ourworldindata.org

Sure they have "more cases" now, but they're also testing at a much higher rate (maybe 3×) than last year, so you'd expect them to pick up more asymptomatic or mild positive cases compared to last year.

Cos they are fully open now whereas last time they werent. Plus delta is more contagious.

I think they still have some restrictions? Delta is more contagious but less lethal.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Interesting read the article within the tweet



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When did ‘normalcy’ take over from ‘normality’?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Sure they have "more cases" now, but they're also testing at a much higher rate (maybe 3×) than last year, so you'd expect them to pick up more asymptomatic or mild positive cases compared to last year.


I think they still have some restrictions? Delta is more contagious but less lethal.

Locally am putting more into ventilators than last time (2 on last shift alone) and they are 30-60 year olds with not a lot of preexisting (except not vaccinated)

 

[Royal Flush]

When did ‘normalcy’ take over from ‘normality’?

cultural shift on steroids.

 

[mcnulty]

Sure they have "more cases" now, but they're also testing at a much higher rate (maybe 3×) than last year, so you'd expect them to pick up more asymptomatic or mild positive cases compared to last year

They are getting more cases because they fully opened up (which they didn’t last year) at 60% vaxxed and basically invited Delta through the front door. Denmark have now fully opened up at 75%, we’ll see how they do.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We're going back in time in this thread on this stuff.

Merck is making $ more from the vaccines than they could do from Ivermectin.

President Biden announced Tuesday that pharmaceutical giant Merck will help make Johnson & Johnson’s single-shot coronavirus vaccine — an unusual pact between fierce rivals that is among several steps intended to boost supply as Biden pushes toward having enough shots for every adult by the end of May.

The administration will pay $268.8 million to Merck to upgrade multiple plants to the necessary safety standards to produce Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

What do vaccines cost? Something like $40 a hit? Two shots each.
They are looking at twice daily doses of Ivermectin.

Sorry the more money from vaccines thing is made up conspiracy bullshit.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Facts? FACTS? Says someone who quotes Elgazaar Pre-print as an evidence (revision from a debunked paper which hasn't been peer reviewed yet) and backed it up with Pierre Kory of FLCCC.

Facts??!!!?!? you should not mention the word fact ever again in this thread.

And rather predictably your next move is outright lies.

What I said was even after removal of the Elgazzar study the meta-analysis would still show that ivermectin causes a major reduction in deaths from COVID-19.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Reanalysis-of-the-data.pdf

 

[Better Loosen Up]

And rather predictably your next move is outright lies.

What I said was even after removal of the Elgazzar study the meta-analysis would still show that ivermectin causes a major reduction in deaths from COVID-19.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Reanalysis-of-the-data.pdf

Once again, if Ivermectin was the miracle drug you claim it is, why wouldn't every critical care doctor and nurse be screaming for it from every soap box they can find?

These critical care doctors and nurses are already at breaking point. Add to that, working double shifts while having to wear PPE all day that prevents them from doing the most basic things like having a drink or taking a piss for hours on end!

They are regularly talking on radio, tv etc and not once have I ever heard any of them pleading for Ivermectin.

These people know much more than you will ever know. They are far more qualified than you will ever be.

But at the end of the day, this is not really about Ivermectin.... it's about your distrust of big pharma.

So if it's about big pharma then fine... but don't go pushing unproven/ unsupported treatments that serve no benefit to anyone. Don't pretend to know more than the experts when you don't have the qualifications to back it up all because you read some rather dubious study.

 

[Chief]

Sure they have "more cases" now, but they're also testing at a much higher rate (maybe 3×) than last year, so you'd expect them to pick up more asymptomatic or mild positive cases compared to last year.

What are the rates of detection compared to previously? Like, positives per 1000 tests or something simple like that?

 

[faible]

And rather predictably your next move is outright lies.

What I said was even after removal of the Elgazzar study the meta-analysis would still show that ivermectin causes a major reduction in deaths from COVID-19.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Reanalysis-of-the-data.pdf

Oh look. The FLCCC again.

 

[Frank Bunn]

And what would the destruction of their rivals vaccine income do for them competitively?

Ivermectin is not a replacement for vaccines. It's becoming clear that overcoming Covid-19 will require both vaccines and treatments.

So far the therapeutics that have been given emergency authorisation do not have any long term safety record, have little evidence of efficacy based on trials, and are extremely expensive.

eg

The FDA has given emergency use authorization for the monoclonal antibody therapy Sotrovimab, based on a single small trial. This drug has a similar protection profile to IVM but costs $4,000 a dose.

Molnupiravir. Which comes with no clear clinical benefit noted from what are incomplete studies. The US government has bought millions of doses at $1,000 per dose.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Ivermectin is not a replacement for vaccines. It's becoming clear that overcoming Covid-19 will require both vaccines and treatments.

So far the therapeutics that have been given emergency authorisation do not have any long term safety record, have little evidence of efficacy based on trials, and are extremely expensive.

eg

The FDA has given emergency use authorization for the monoclonal antibody therapy Sotrovimab, based on a single small trial. This drug has a similar protection profile to IVM but costs $4,000 a dose.

Molnupiravir. Which comes with no clear clinical benefit noted from what are incomplete studies. The US government has bought millions of doses at $1,000 per dose.

We all know how antibodies work.

What is supposed to be Invermectin's main advantage?

Anti-inflamitory?
Prevention of the Spike proteins from bonding to human cells?

Either way, i wouldn't see it as competing with antibodies as a treatment, and one would not preclude the other if both were effective.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Once again, if Ivermectin was the miracle drug you claim it is, why wouldn't every critical care doctor and nurse be screaming for it from every soap box they can find?

Many are screaming for it. Some have spoken out then their views have been censored such as Pierre Kory on Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse Podcast.



Many others are not speaking out because that would be the end of their careers.

 

[Seeds]

This thread is so open and vague that its pointless. Its like having a thread called "football thread" on the main board.

chop it up

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Many are screaming for it. Some have spoken out then their views have been censored such as Pierre Kory on Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse Podcast.



Many others are not speaking out because that would be the end of their careers.

Pierre Kory again... really?

 

[FireKrakouer]

This thread is so open and vague that its pointless. Its like having a thread called "football thread" on the main board.

chop it up

Agreed, can we at least move the ivermectin discussion elsewhere?
Also Chief how about user flares or awards for people who are vaxxed?

 

[Frank Bunn]

We all know how antibodies work.

What is supposed to be Invermectin's main advantage?

Anti-inflamitory?
Prevention of the Spike proteins from bonding to human cells?

Either way, i wouldn't see it as competing with antibodies as a treatment, and one would not preclude the other if both were effective.

You are one of the few who want to discuss this rationally. I guess it would be a good start to find some common ground.

Do you agree that overcoming Covid-19 will require both vaccines and treatments?

Crankyhawk What do you think on this point?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Agreed, can we at least move the ivermectin discussion elsewhere?
Also Chief how about user flares or awards for people who are vaxxed?

Yellow stars for the unvaxxed.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You are one of the few who want to discuss this rationally. I guess it would be a good start to find some common ground.

Do you agree that overcoming Covid-19 will require both vaccines and treatments?

Crankyhawk What do you think on this point?

One of the issues remains that they don't have clear treatment for people who have contracted it. Different hospitals in different countries are "tryiing" different treatments.
Try a few drugs, throw them on a ventilator if they can't breathe. So if a treatment could be proven effective , yes it would be good.
It seems that a course of two vaccines makes it much less likely that a treatment is needed.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

We're going back in time in this thread on this stuff.

Merck is making $ more from the vaccines than they could do from Ivermectin.

President Biden announced Tuesday that pharmaceutical giant Merck will help make Johnson & Johnson’s single-shot coronavirus vaccine — an unusual pact between fierce rivals that is among several steps intended to boost supply as Biden pushes toward having enough shots for every adult by the end of May.

The administration will pay $268.8 million to Merck to upgrade multiple plants to the necessary safety standards to produce Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

If Invermectin was so good they’d have the market for both prevention and treatment ..make far more money and the price of the drug would also skyrocket. If it was so good for treatment only then they could still develop own (J&J) vaccine and rake it in on the treatment side with nearly every hospital in the world using it. It remains a cheap dewormer for a good reason