Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If Invermectin was so good they’d have the market for both prevention and treatment ..make far more money and the price of the drug would also skyrocket. If it was so good for treatment only then they could still develop own (J&J) vaccine and rake it in on the treatment side with nearly every hospital in the world using it. It remains a cheap dewormer for a good reason

In fact big greedy Merck have donated much of their Invermectin.

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www.worldbank.org

To be effective they need a dose every year.

It has been trialled as a malaria treatment, it doesn't attack the virus, but rather, kills or shortens the life cycle of the mosquitoes, so that in a given area there is less transmission. I think this is considered nonviable, since its been found a monthly dose is needed.

 

[Present Not Past]

Ivermectin is not a replacement for vaccines.

So you intend to get vaccinated? What about all the other anti-vaxers who are looking to Ivermectin as an alternative to being vaccinated.
I think you are being disingenuine when you state it is not a replacement for the available vaccines.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You are one of the few who want to discuss this rationally. I guess it would be a good start to find some common ground.

Do you agree that overcoming Covid-19 will require both vaccines and treatments?

Crankyhawk What do you think on this point?

of course treatments are needed - thats role of dexamethasone currently; and maybe this antibody infusion
But treatments need to have adequate data
The infusion has a study of 6000 people. I think the results are too good to be true but it is something for the unvaccinated who are not too sick to prevent disease progression

 

[Total Power]

And rather predictably your next move is outright lies.

What I said was even after removal of the Elgazzar study the meta-analysis would still show that ivermectin causes a major reduction in deaths from COVID-19.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Reanalysis-of-the-data.pdf

I have replied to this, you are either in denial or you don't read anything. This is a CLAIM, look at link and paper date and look at the peer review date. The peer review on his paper was done in July, the paper above is dated September, it's a PRE-PRINT. Your link means nothing. All studies done by Elgazzar is worthless.

What i am saying is that the people you are quoting are not credible, show me a few journals that these studies been approved? You may as well quote the Heartland institute. Elgazzar said BEFORE the revision that is CONFIDENT even after removal his conclusion will make the brief. In other words this is religion. He has his conclusion and nothing will change his mind.

 

[Total Power]

So you intend to get vaccinated? What about all the other anti-vaxers who are looking to Ivermectin as an alternative to being vaccinated.
I think you are being disingenuine when you state it is not a replacement for the available vaccines.

It's just a flu though....ooops that's been long done.

 

[mcnulty]

This is interesting, a discussion with a (former) FLCCC member about how a group of doctors had their messaging completely get away from them. Some sympathy here, but if you lie down with dogs…

“Osgood claims that the case for ivermectin — and the messaging of the FLCCC itself — has been hijacked by vaccine-sceptical forces online and in the alternative media. In other words, the media is driving the medicine, and not the other way around.

“There was no media team when the group came together, just a group of doctors, and they think that when you get media people involved, the project becomes ‘Get the word out. You’ve got to get the word out. We’ve got to raise awareness. We’ve gotta get the message out.’

“But unfortunately, the message has become kind of a mess… I don’t think [the FLCCC are] putting out an anti-vaccine stance”, Osgood cautioned. “I just think that they are really being very careful in terms of not coming out with a full throated support [for it]”, possibly being that “a lot of their supporters are not really thrilled about vaccines.”

“What I would say is, I don’t know if I can say most [of the FLCCC], but the doctors in the group that I’ve spoken to”, Osgood says, “agreed with me and thanked me and felt the same way and said, ‘I can’t really do this anymore either. This is crazy.’”

Has The Case For Ivermectin Been Hijacked By Anti-Vaccine Activists?

This article was written by Ed Prideaux (Twitter: @EdPrideaux) in collaboration with David Fuller.

medium.com

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Has anybody suggested possibly injecting disinfectant, where it knocks it out in, like, a minute, one minute?

Just putting it out there.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Evolved1]

I don't have a vagina. Is it safe to put in my ass?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I don't have a vagina. Is it safe to put in my ass?

Sure*

*Not medical advice

 

[Evolved1]

Sure*

*Not medical advice

Cheers. I hope it mixes well with KY Jelly.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Cheers. I hope it mixes well with KY Jelly.

It's a tampon, not a dildo.

 

[Evolved1]

It's a tampon, not a dildo.

Yeah, I don't like blood. Is there a TGA approved alternative?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I don't have a vagina. Is it safe to put in my ass?

Well it’ll ensure no worms

 

[Crankyhawk]

just got their pastes mixed up that's all.

 

[Deaneus!]

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Interesting thread on PPE -

 

[faible]

Interesting thread on PPE -

Wasn’t there a similar story out of Italy early on where an infectious disease hospital had 0 cases of staff infections whilst the northern hospitals were getting smashed daily?

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Mindtraveller]

We all know how antibodies work.

What is supposed to be Invermectin's main advantage?

Anti-inflamitory?
Prevention of the Spike proteins from bonding to human cells?

Either way, i wouldn't see it as competing with antibodies as a treatment, and one would not preclude the other if both were effective.

Don't know if these have been previously posted
If you're interested. Interesting that is been investigated for its anti-viral effects before

The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro

Although several clinical trials are now underway to test possible therapies, the worldwide response to the COVID-19 outbreak has been largely limited…

www.sciencedirect.com

And the reason why it needs to be investigated more

The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID-19 - PubMed

Caly et al.¹ reported that ivermectin inhibited severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro for up to 48 hours using ivermectin at 5 μM. The concentration resulting in 50% inhibition (IC₅₀ ; 2 µM) was > 35× higher than the maximum plasma concentrati …

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Potential is there, still needs to be researched to find a more effective lower dose. In-vitro is also more optimal for drug delivery. These also werent hard to find

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah, I don't like blood. Is there a TGA approved alternative?

Just use a new one.

 

[Chief]

Potential is there, still needs to be researched to find a more effective lower dose. In-vitro is also more optimal for drug delivery. These also werent hard to find

The potential is not there.

The results of all of the studies do not point in any one direction. They are all over the place when viewed in total. Some are completely fraudulent. There is no proper, consistent evidence that it does anything but screw up your digestive system.

 

[Chief]

Most of the nongs protesting outside CFMEU were rent a crowd right wing dills that have nothing to do with construction work...including that Avi bloke, Karen from Bunnings and a few others. Have never seen so many brand new fluoro vests in my life!

#tomstake



"Organisers" were actually just instigators who didn't even show up.

No marshals. No first aid. No police liaison. No concrete goals or demands apart from "stop it!".

Just some memes that flew around the shit end of the web and encouraged anti-vaxxers to show up in their freshly laundered hi-vis.

Some were definitely union members, pilled by the anti-vax-o-sphere. But it was not a "union protest" or any sort of "strike".

The unions have created their own problem here by fence-sitting until the choice on how to handle vaccination among their members was no longer theirs.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

#tomstake



"Organisers" were actually just instigators who didn't even show up.

No marshals. No first aid. No police liaison. No concrete goals or demands apart from "stop it!".

Just some memes that flew around the sh*t end of the web and encouraged anti-vaxxers to show up in their freshly laundered hi-vis.

Some were definitely union members, pilled by the anti-vax-o-sphere. But it was not a "union protest" or any sort of "strike".

The unions have created their own problem here by fence-sitting until the choice on how to handle vaccination among their members was no longer theirs.

Im not pro-Union at all, and i disagree with a lot of that guys philosophies, but he's smart and articulate, I can't help but respect his views and he's spot on when he says that Covid control is a health and safety issue, and that it requires a collective response.