Your clubs 26 and under side

[Ron The Bear]

The ‘premiership player’ argument is such a flawed one... I wish people would stop reaching for it.

I mentioned the VFL flag as those players have demonstrated ability to compete against men, even if they're unknown kids.




Best of luck in the race for the 26-and-under flag.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Martin, Lynch, Prestia and Cotchin is what’s going to be hard to replace. Bolton was brilliant this year so he might help but at the end of the day they had to use picks 2,3 and 5 to find that quality and then somewhat get lucky that GC was so low on the ladder they didn’t match on Lynch.

Martin is irreplaceable, but he is not a player that will hit a cliff, he'll decline gradually. So he plays more fwd. Not unhappy with that.

Cotchin has a more wear and tear type role and needs replacing. One, maybe 2 years left. Legs are going already.

Lynch has quite a few years left.

Prestia a solid 3 maybe 4.


Cotchin/Prestia we have Ross/Graham/RCD/Dow to step in. You'd hope for a smoothish transition.

Bolton replaces Edwards. I think Edwards has 2 decent output seasons left, so that's fine.

The issue is Lynch/Riewoldt. The player is there in CCJ, but he needs to pull his head in. If it doesn't work, that's where the hole is.

 

[Solska]

Soldo and Nank wouldn't walk into the Dees side. Don't be ridiculous.

Gawn is one of the top 2/3 rucks in the comp, depending on your criteria he could easily be ranked No. 1.

The Dees would play Gawn, and Jackson changing. Neither Nank or Soldo would get the resting position. They'd rot in the 2's like Pruess did.



I'm all for big upping our players, but this just doesn't hold up.

Preuss is terrible. Nankervis and Soldo would do Jackson’s role far better than he does at this point in time. One of Soldo/Nank plays the support role at Richmond. Why can’t they do it at Melbourne?

Jackson is a 19 year undeveloped ruck who averaged 8.7 disposals, 4 hitouts and 0.5 goals per game. If you honestly think Soldo or Nankervis couldn’t better than output then you have rocks in your head.

You’re too afraid of coming across as biased you’ve gone way too far the other way.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Paton Howard Wilkie
Long Battle Coffield
Billings Steele Clark
Higgins Membrey Butler
Lonie King Gresham
Marshall Jones Crouch
Bytel Sinclair Byrnes 2020 draft pick

Dont like Battle at CHB would prefer him up forward

 

[Ron The Bear]

Preuss is terrible. Nankervis and Soldo would do Jackson’s role far better than he does at this point in time. One of Soldo/Nank plays the support role at Richmond. Why can’t they do it at Melbourne?

The argument here is that in the age bracket there's Grundy/Marshall/O'Brien/English/McInerney/Darcy on exposed form. With the exception of Grundy you're not losing much if anything with Nankervis. O'Brien caned him early but Nank trundled home over the top, as is his wont. I rate McInerney's ruckwork and he beat Nank in the final.

If anything it's a plus that both ruckmen are doing the job against older rucks and potentially have plenty of time left, but BF is very resourceful in finding new and wonderful ways to try to talk you down.

 

[JT_the_Man]

B Redman - BZT - Guelfi
HB Hind - Francis - Ridley
C Langford - Merrett - Caldwell
HF Snelling - Stewart - Laverde
F Stringer - Wright - Mosquito
R Draper - McGrath - Parish
Int. Clarke* - Ham - Cahill - Gleeson*
Emg. Jones - Cutler - McQuillan - Bryan - McBride - Johnson - Hird - a lot of high draft picks and academy kids

Honestly, outside of about 5 older players (3 of which are 1993) I wouldn’t be shocked if these players were making up our best 22 next year. 3 top 10 picks to add as well.

*we’ve committed to re-rookie them but they aren’t currently on the list, I doubt anyone else takes them

 

[Solska]

The argument here is that in the age bracket there's Grundy/Marshall/O'Brien/English/McInerney/Darcy on exposed form. With the exception of Grundy you're not losing much if anything with Nankervis. O'Brien caned him early but Nank trundled home over the top, as is his wont. I rate McInerney's ruckwork and he beat Nank in the final.

If anything it's a plus that both ruckmen are doing the job against older rucks and potentially have plenty of time left, but BF is very resourceful in finding new and wonderful ways to try to talk you down.

Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

getting a game over Nankervis has made my day. One of he funnier things I’ve read on this website. Not even Goodwin is that stupid.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Luke Jackson getting a game over Nankervis has made my day. One of he funnier things I’ve read on this website. Not even Goodwin is that stupid.

It's not apples and apples, Jackson's more Hipwood than Nank so far. But Melbourne's talls in this bracket are Jackson and the untried Austin Bradtke. Our blokes get the ruck spot(s) to win tomorrow's game.

 

[Lampers]

It's not apples and apples, Jackson's more Hipwood than Nank so far. But Melbourne's talls in this bracket are Jackson and the untried Austin Bradtke. Our blokes win the ruck spot(s).

If Solska is only talking Soldo and Nankervis walking into other 26 and under teams that makes some sense, but there are more promising rucks around 26 and under.

For a hypothetical game today, I would have ONE of Soldo or Nankervis in Melbourne’s team with Jackson spelling them. They don’t both come in and push Jackson out.

I don’t think Solska has even seen Jackson play if he thinks there’s some sort of comparison of what Jackson brings to a team vs. Soldo or Nankervis.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

We have a clear best player, as have a lot of premiership sides. But we also have several other great players over the journey, Rance, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Grimes, Vlastuin, Prestia, Astbury, Edwards, Houli.

+ the young guns coming through and then yes the role players that form the foundations of the list.

This idea that Dusty has carried a bunch of hacks to 3 flags is tired now. If that we're the case he's the greatest player ever in the history of the game by a mile.

Why? North played in 7 prelims in a row and won 2 flags, take Carey out and they don't. They still play finals but don't go as deep or win without him.

One player can be the difference between being a very good side and being a great side.

 

[Solska]

It's not apples and apples, Jackson's more Hipwood than Nank so far. But Melbourne's talls in this bracket are Jackson and the untried Austin Bradtke. Our blokes get the ruck spot(s) to win tomorrow's game.

I never said they were. But that’s like saying I wouldn’t drop McIntosh for Bont because they’re not apples for apples. One is clearly superior to the other and you’d make it work.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If Solska is only talking Soldo and Nankervis walking into other 26 and under teams that makes some sense, but there are more promising rucks around 26 and under.

For a hypothetical game today, I would have ONE of Soldo or Nankervis in Melbourne’s team with Jackson spelling them. They don’t both come in and push Jackson out.

I don’t think Solska has even seen Jackson play if he thinks there’s some sort of comparison of what Jackson brings to a team vs. Soldo or Nankervis.

I dunno. Jackson's had 3 goals, 4 assists and 30 hit outs in 6 games and shapes as a forward for the next few years. I like the look of him, there's a bit of young Richo about him with the raw athleticism. There's good structure to develop him with Brown and Weideman easing the pressure. But throw him in the ruck right now against a seasoned opponent at 80-something-kg and you're ceding ground.

Solska has been enthusiastic in defence of our players and I get where you're coming from.

 

[Solska]

If Solska is only talking Soldo and Nankervis walking into other 26 and under teams that makes some sense, but there are more promising rucks around 26 and under.

For a hypothetical game today, I would have ONE of Soldo or Nankervis in Melbourne’s team with Jackson spelling them. They don’t both come in and push Jackson out.

I don’t think Solska has even seen Jackson play if he thinks there’s some sort of comparison of what Jackson brings to a team vs. Soldo or Nankervis.

Again, I never said there was a comparison. Jackson has a rare skill set for someone of his size. I am also not talking down Jackson’s potential. I think longer term he’ll eclipse both Soldo and Nankervis. But if am selecting a side to win a premiership tomorrow and I have all three of Soldo, Nankervis and Jackson at my disposal to support Gawn, I am picking Jackson last. He’s barely AFL standard and has merely shown some nice glimpses here and there. Soldo and Nankervis are both miles ahead at this stage. That is the argument. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I never said they were. But that’s like saying I wouldn’t drop McIntosh for Bont because they’re not apples for apples. One is clearly superior to the other and you’d make it work.

Yeah they are naming Jackson on potential. Are we looking at these teams from the perspective of winning a game tomorrow, or in three years?

Jackson as forward/ruck as an alternative to two pure rucks makes some sense. One of Nank or Soldo will be on the bench most of the time when they both play.

 

[Solska]

Yeah they are naming Jackson on potential. Are we looking at these teams from the perspective of winning a game tomorrow, or in three years?

Tomorrow

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]

Good thread but sadly way too much talk centred around richmond.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Very short on good inside mids.

Word is we're looking to get Dodoro in time for next years draft. He knows how to pick 'em

 

[nineteen eighty]

....Not even Goodwin is that stupid.

Jury still out on this! "Good stuff" Goody hasn't covered himself in glory on the brains front over the years.

 

[RUNVS]

Good thread but sadly way too much talk centred around richmond.

Richmond fans do that with pretty much every thread. We could be discussing the Congolese Civil War and Richmond fans would somehow turn the topic into a discussion about Richmond.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Preuss is terrible. Nankervis and Soldo would do Jackson’s role far better than he does at this point in time. One of Soldo/Nank plays the support role at Richmond. Why can’t they do it at Melbourne?

Jackson is a 19 year undeveloped ruck who averaged 8.7 disposals, 4 hitouts and 0.5 goals per game. If you honestly think Soldo or Nankervis couldn’t better than output then you have rocks in your head.

You’re too afraid of coming across as biased you’ve gone way too far the other way.

1. I'm as happy to be biased as anyone. I've already upped our U26 back 6 and side in general.

2. Of course Nank and Soldo are currently better than Jackson. I never disputed that, but it's not the point. The Dees have proven that with Gawn, they'll only go in with one true ruck. So, there is just no way that Nank or Soldo get a game. They only need a chop out ruck which Jackson provides, and he develops fwd.



A player can be better, but not get a game because they're not the right fit for a particular side. This is one such case. Dees don't need rucks, neither do WC. They wouldn't get a game there either.

 

[Genghis Tron]

Richmond fans do that with pretty much every thread. We could be discussing the Congolese Civil War and Richmond fans would somehow turn the topic into a discussion about Richmond.

In their defense other teams supporters were the first to pipe up with how shit our under 26 side was. all our supporters did was post a side. Yes we got sucked into the conversation, but we didn't start it.

 

[Solska]

1. I'm as happy to be biased as anyone. 2. Of course Nank and Soldo are currently better than Jackson. I never disputed that, but it's not the point. The Dees have proven that with Gawn, they'll only go in with one true ruck. So, there is just no way that Nank or Soldo get a game. They only need a chop out ruck which Jackson provides, and he develops fwd.

This is a really dumb take. Jackson isn’t a forward’s arseh*le at the moment. Melbourne also have Brown and Weideman as their KPFs. All Jackson is doing is pinch hitting in the ruck and forward. Both Nank and Soldo could currently do this role better than him. If you don’t think that’s the case, then we should probably just end this conversation now.

 

[Solska]

Richmond fans do that with pretty much every thread. We could be discussing the Congolese Civil War and Richmond fans would somehow turn the topic into a discussion about Richmond.

You commented on our side and the conversation has stemmed from that comment. Then you complain that Richmond fans derail every thread. Very strange stuff.

 

[BrutThough]

FB: Paton, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Coffield, Battle, Long
C: Billings, Steele, Sinclair
HF: Higgins, Membrey, Gresham
FF: Butler, King, Lonie
R: Marshall, Crouch, Jones
I/C: Clark, Bytel, Dunstan, Kent

Overall, pretty strong team. At least 17/22 would be best 22 regardless.

Ideally we would have another CHB and Battle would be in the forward line, but Battle has played key back before so this team could play there if necessary.

Would actually be fairly confident with this 22 taking the field.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

This is a really dumb take. Jackson isn’t a forward’s a-hole at the moment. Melbourne also have Brown and Weideman as their KPFs. All Jackson is doing is pinch hitting in the ruck and forward. Both Nank and Soldo could currently do this role better than him. If you don’t think that’s the case, then we should probably just end this conversation now.

Melbourne aren't playing 2 true rucks.

If you think that's the case, we should probably just end the conversation now.

And no matter how much I disagree with your take, I'm not calling you dumb. Stay classy San Diego.