Traded Zach Tuohy [traded to Geelong with 2017 2nd rd pk for Smedts, 2017 1st rd pk and pick 63]

[Fraud Squad]

I would, I'd even add a draft pick. But throwing in more than a 3rd is a "stretch".

I'm not sure Billy is on the table mate.

 

[STP18]

Lang will be a great player, I've been on the lad ever since we drafted him. Fair to say I'm going to be more than upset if we end up trading him. Bloody hell I hate trade week.

 

[DanA]

What are Lang's strengths?

On paper it's a pretty even, if underwhelming deal. I just can't recall Lang standing out in any way but I certainly think it is a positive he is young and has the ability to transition into the midfield.

My take is that Lang is a lot like Marc Murphy was in his rookie season. Maybe not quite the same class but similar traits. A very good ball user, good vision and football smarts , also an eye for a goal but struggles to stand up in tackles etc. He's a few years older and you kind of expect him to be a bit more powerful by now, the skill is all there but to me it still looks like he needs an extra 2-3 kgs to compete for a permanent midfield position. Expecially with more and more guys the size of Cripps.

 

[La Dispute]

My take is that Lang is a lot like Marc Murphy was in his rookie season. Maybe not quite the same class but similar traits. A very good ball user, good vision and football smarts , also an eye for a goal but struggles to stand up in tackles etc. He's a few years older and you kind of expect him to be a bit more powerful by now, the skill is all there but to me it still looks like he needs an extra 2-3 kgs to compete for a permanent midfield position. Expecially with more and more guys the size of Cripps.

Similar gait to Murph.

Could he make it as a permanent half forward?

 

[RoyalParade]

I'd be really disappointed to lose Lang for Tuohy. Lang was a first round selection in 2013 and is projecting to be a very good player (albeit with limited exposure). I also appreciate that Tuohy is in his prime and fits a need for us. I'm hoping it's pick 38 and a fringe player (not Lang).

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Hey mate out of interest, what fringe player are you thinking?

 

[DanA]

Similar gait to Murph.

Could he make it as a permanent half forward?

It doesn't come as natural to him but he can do a job their and it's where he's played for Geelong to date. I think the dream scenario would be to go to a club with good extractors that lack a bit of polish and play an Andrew Gaff type role. IMO if he's smart he'll be looking for a club that could develop him in that type of role. I can't see that at Geelong as Danger and Selwood dominate inside 50's.

 

[DanA]

Hey mate out of interest, what fringe player are you thinking?

We really don't have much you'd be interested in. I'd love to sell you on Murdoch, Horlin-Smith, Smedts or Vardy but it's not you or I making the trades so I don't see much point in making stuff up.

Murdoch: Fantastic pace, nice penetrating kick, good size. For years I thought he'd be a very good footballer but just doesn't have a football brain.

Smedts: Another great athlete but terrible ball drop and struggles to find the ball. Plenty of teams I think could find a role for him but his kicking will always frustrate even if the stats don't quite reflect it.

Horlin-Smith: Finds plenty of the ball and is solid in the middle but glacier slow and too safe using the ball.

Gregoson: Decent player but his size works against him.

All are worth a punt on your list. There's AFL potential their but none are worth a regular starter like Touhy.

 

[MotlopMagic]

Hey mate out of interest, what fringe player are you thinking?

Three possible options that I'd consider are:
1. Pick 38 and Vardy, Horlin-Smith or Smedts.
2. Gregson and 38 for Tuohy and 45.
3. Blicavs for Tuohy.

I'll get howled down by Geelong fans for options 2 and 3. What do you think?

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[RoyalParade]

We really don't have much you'd be interested in. I'd love to sell you on Murdoch, Horlin-Smith, Smedts or Vardy but it's not you or I making the trades so I don't see much point in making stuff up.

Murdoch: Fantastic pace, nice penetrating kick, good size. For years I thought he'd be a very good footballer but just doesn't have a football brain.

Smedts: Another great athlete but terrible ball drop and struggles to find the ball. Plenty of teams I think could find a role for him but his kicking will always frustrate even if the stats don't quite reflect it.

Horlin-Smith: Finds plenty of the ball and is solid in the middle but glacier slow and too safe using the ball.

Gregoson: Decent player but his size works against him.

All are worth a punt on your list. There's AFL potential their but none are worth a regular starter like Touhy.

Thanks for that.

I think id jusst rather a 2017 2nd then any of that lot.

In saying that, there was a suggestion a few days ago blues were looking at smedts for a late pick. Therefore they might do 38 and smedts

 

[RoyalParade]

Three possible options that I'd consider are:
1. Pick 38 and Vardy, Horlin-Smith or Smedts.
2. Gregson and 38 for Tuohy and 45.
3. Blicavs for Tuohy.

I'll get howled down by Geelong fans for options 2 and 3. What do you think?

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Yeah probably option 1, but not vardy. Unless we offload kreuzer this year

 

[MotlopMagic]

What are Lang's strengths?

On paper it's a pretty even, if underwhelming deal. I just can't recall Lang standing out in any way but I certainly think it is a positive he is young and has the ability to transition into the midfield.

I'd describe him as a versatile midfielder. He has outstanding vision, moves well in traffic and uses the ball well. He needs to put on some weight and accumulate more possession but I think those two things will come with natural progression (and more midfield time).

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[MotlopMagic]

Yeah probably option 1, but not vardy. Unless we offload kreuzer this year

That's interesting because I'd go with option 2 or 3 if I were in your position. Obviously you know Carlton's list much better than me though.

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[The Old Dark Navy's]

That's interesting because I'd go with option 2 or 3 if I were in your position. Obviously you know Carlton's list much better than me though.

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I'd rather keep Tuohy to be honest but Option 1 does seem the better option of the 3.

 

[MotlopMagic]

I'd rather keep Tuohy to be honest but Option 1 does seem the better option of the 3.

I'd go option 3 and play Blicavs as a second ruckman/utility to Kreuzer. Won our B&F in that role last year. We seem intent on playing him in some sort of quasi midfield role.

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[pinot]

I just hope we put another year on his contract and he stays but we have Byrne and Sheehan coming through, Byrne being really good young player and already have Docherty and Simmo as running half back so from list management perspective makes sense to trade Tuohy to get picks for our midfield.

I would be happy to trade for an emerging midfield under 23

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If anything Cats make out like bandits getting an established player for a non established player left out of Cats Prelim squad

Wow. We're getting robbed blind but somehow make out like bandits.

Trading Cockatoo is not going to happen.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I'd be really disappointed to lose Lang for Tuohy. Lang was a first round selection in 2013 and is projecting to be a very good player (albeit with limited exposure). I also appreciate that Tuohy is in his prime and fits a need for us. I'm hoping it's pick 38 and a fringe player (not Lang).

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I'm with you. Not going to be happy if the cost for Tuohy is Lang. Not going to like that trade.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Everybody wants something for nothing.

"We want to keep our best 22 talent because we're gunning for a flag. We don't want to trade our kids either. Instead we'll give you a useless late pick and a player who'll be delisted next year. Deal?"

Sounds awesome guys.

If your going to pretend to be list managers at least try and come up with something that might possibly happen.

True which is clear cap kersten vardy salaries via trade attempt to move motlop for a pick 22-30 or package two picks attempt to move into into late first early second. Offer richmond a package of
Vardy + (Pick) future second round or pick swaps

Motlop + Pick and future second round and or pick swaps second round.

George horlin smith + Darcy Lang and same as above

Trade deliedio

And then tell carlton we have no room for za ch i think that is geelongs main priority right now deliedio for a good price if not we probably don't require him at all

 

[Ray Donovan]

I think by leaving in 12 months rather than now Motlop gets the best of both worlds-gets a genuine chance to win a flag next year and then after that go if he wants more money and be able to choose his club without Geelong having to agree to a trade. Given he tends to play his best in contract years he is unlikely to get offered less money by clubs in 12 months time than he would bet offered now, unless he does a knee next year. Whereas if he agrees to a trade now he forgoes the flag chance and doesn't benefit a lot from moving early. This is why the talk about him possibly being traded is off the mark-Motlop is unlikely to agree to be traded now simply because it helps Geelong get other deals done when it isn't in his own best interest.

Or motlop actually gets all his talent together and plays well they tend to play well in contract years bryce gibbs played the best 9 rounds of football i have seen from him right before he signed for 5 years lol

 

[Blue Man]

It seems apparent that the players CFC has earmarked in the trade for Touhy don't want to move to Prinny Park and are happy to remain at Whiskers stadium. That being said, isn't it time to bring a third party into the mix? Perhaps it could look a little something like this:-

- Tuohy to Geelong

- CFC 3rd round (currently 58) to WB

- Geelong 2nd round (currently pick 38) to WB

- Geelong 3rd round (currently pick 42) to Carlton

- Hrovat to CFC

SUMMARY

Carlton:

Out - Tuohy, pick 58

In - Hrovat, pick 42


Geelong:

Out - pick 38, 42

In - Tuohy


WB:

Out - Hrovat

In - pick 38, 58


nb: CFC need to offer something better than North in order to win the bidding war* for Hrovat (North currently hold picks 32 and 33, which I am assuming they would potentially use one of in order to bid for Hrovat).

* http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-14/trade-wrap-tigers-cats-hit-stalemate-over-caddy-and-deledio

 

[Scotland]

Three possible options that I'd consider are:
1. Pick 38 and Vardy, Horlin-Smith or Smedts.
2. Gregson and 38 for Tuohy and 45.
3. Blicavs for Tuohy.

I'll get howled down by Geelong fans for options 2 and 3. What do you think?

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I don't know what is weirder, the fact that you'd trade Blicavs for Tuohy or the fact that it's not the preferred option for Blues fans.

 

[pinot]

I don't know what is weirder, the fact that you'd trade Blicavs for Tuohy or the fact that it's not the preferred option for Blues fans.

it's not he's not rated - we run the risk of lopsiding the list with talls with no depth in midfield and we need mids.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It seems apparent that the players CFC has earmarked in the trade for Touhy don't want to move to Prinny Park and are happy to remain at Whiskers stadium. That being said, isn't it time to bring a third party into the mix? Perhaps it could look a little something like this:-

- Tuohy to Geelong

- CFC 3rd round (currently 58) to WB

- Geelong 2nd round (currently pick 38) to WB

- Geelong 3rd round (currently pick 42) to Carlton

- Hrovat to CFC

SUMMARY

Carlton:

Out - Tuohy, pick 58

In - Hrovat, pick 42


Geelong:

Out - pick 38, 42

In - Tuohy


WB:

Out - Hrovat

In - pick 38, 58


nb: CFC need to offer something better than North in order to win the bidding war* for Hrovat (North currently hold picks 32 and 33, which I am assuming they would potentially use one of in order to bid for Hrovat).

* http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-14/trade-wrap-tigers-cats-hit-stalemate-over-caddy-and-deledio

Picks 38 and 42 for Tuohy.

Never going to happen, nor is he worth as such.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It seems apparent that the players CFC has earmarked in the trade for Touhy don't want to move to Prinny Park and are happy to remain at Whiskers stadium. That being said, isn't it time to bring a third party into the mix? Perhaps it could look a little something like this:-

- Tuohy to Geelong

- CFC 3rd round (currently 58) to WB

- Geelong 2nd round (currently pick 38) to WB

- Geelong 3rd round (currently pick 42) to Carlton

- Hrovat to CFC

SUMMARY

Carlton:

Out - Tuohy, pick 58

In - Hrovat, pick 42


Geelong:

Out - pick 38, 42

In - Tuohy


WB:

Out - Hrovat

In - pick 38, 58


nb: CFC need to offer something better than North in order to win the bidding war* for Hrovat (North currently hold picks 32 and 33, which I am assuming they would potentially use one of in order to bid for Hrovat).

* http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-14/trade-wrap-tigers-cats-hit-stalemate-over-caddy-and-deledio

#38 and #42 values tuohy at #21 which when he is ooc is slight overs. If its #38 and #42 for tuohy and #58 back to geelong it values tuohy at about #28 which is about right.

I think we will either offer you this deal or our 2017 2nd round (not both) unless we get a pick in the 20s from other trades. Players are unlikely to be involved in the tuohy deal.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm almost 100% positive Touhy will end up in the PSD. Carlton is asking way too much for him and he approached Geelong, not the other way around.

Correction: he would choose the ND rather than PSD to try and get to geelong (as it would be more likely to work than the PSD) if it came to that, which it won't.