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Autopsy Round 5 = Brisbane 98-91 Collingwood
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Maybe there is simply not a depth of decent players from which to choose.
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LMAO
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Yep. We'd be calling for Finn Macrae to go back to the ressies if we'd been playing him rather than the Brown boys.
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Unfortunately, Crisp also had 9 clangers and 42% kicking efficiency last night.
8 effective kicks out of 19.
Another hardworking midfielder of ours who butchers the ball regularly.
Wish he worked as hard on improving his kicking as he does on his TikToks
And there in lies our depth problem, or more glaringly our list imbalance, yes Fly went tall but likely as a result of our outs. IF Beau was available there is no doubt in my mind that he would've been in the starting 18.
There is no known universe that going tall, with Cox / Cameron against the likes of Adams / Andrews is high percentage. Forced hand, we behind the 8 ball i50 before the 1st bounce.
Nice summation there SR.
Macrae can kick a football, unlike the Brown brothers, can't he?! Even Lipinski for all his faults has that important skill area over the brothers Brown. The outrageously errant forward entries by the likes of Maynard and Adams highlighted what is one of our major deficiencies. We just don't have room in the team anymore for players unable to skilfully dispose of the ball.
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Going tall wasn’t forced it was chosen. He chose to drop Henry and he chose to drop Noble. Could have easily moved Noble to the wing and Sidebottom up forward and could have easily just kept Henry in for another week. The only thing that was forced was Cox’ inclusion with Mihocek out.
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I’d have to rewatch as well but to it’s just looked like the likes of WHE, Henry and Wilson were targeted less whilst the talls were targeted more.
Easter Thursday provided a contest full of fluctuations at the Gabba, where Collingwood were highly competitive against Brisbane for the duration of the contest, but were ultimately outclassed by 7 points against the Lions. The Magpies once again displayed their inability to convert crucial goals, especially from set shots, and were not able to put four quality quarters together. Collingwood's start in the opening term was really good with an early lead, before losing complete control for much of the second quarter, most of the third term, and crucial moments in the last quarter where the Woods looked like they were closing the gap to reclaim the lead and the Lions then extended their lead of 10 points with the next two goals to hold a 22-point lead after the Pies had a golden opportunity to draw within as few as 5 points had Mason Cox converted his shot at goal from a free kick. Those two goals from the Lions ultimately allowed them enough breathing space to play possession footy in the dying minutes of the match in their forward half, despite Collingwood hitting back with the last three goals of the game to close the game out strongly without succeeding for the third consecutive week.
Collingwood won their statistical categories from handballs by +23 (167 - 144), uncontested possessions were won by +8 (223 - 215), while hit-outs had a differential of +14 (39 - 25), +6 for tackles (62 - 56), Tackles Inside 50 had a margin of +6 (13 - 7), and Inside 50s were won by +8 (62 - 54). Brisbane claimed most of the key indicators from sources such as disposals by +14 (375 - 361), +37 for kicks (231 - 194), contested possessions were up by +17 (147 - 130), +2 for intercept possessions (81 - 79), while clearances had an advantage of +3 (41 - 38), with centre clearances won narrowly by +1 (16 - 15), and stoppage clearances claimed by +2 (25 - 23). Marks were in Brisbane's favour by +18 (96 - 78), with uncontested marks won by +13 (84 - 71), while Contested Marks had a differential of +5 (12 - 7), and Marks Inside 50 had a gap of +5 (13 - 8).
Jack Crisp (36 disposals @ 61%, 566 metres gained, 17 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 17 handballs, 3 marks, 8 tackles, 5 score involvements, 11 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 9 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had a very good game where he was highly prolific through the midfield for the Magpies. Unfortunately, his skill errors (11 turnovers) meant his disposal efficiency determined how much control the team had when Collingwood were in possession. Reduce those turnovers against the Bombers on ANZAC Day, Crispy!
Patrick Lipinski (22 disposals @ 77%, 272 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 15 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) was below average for three quarters, before finishing the game strongly with 10 disposals in the last quarter. I'd expect a much bigger output from Patrick on Monday week, especially if he continues the momentum of his last quarter against the Lions in Brisbane.
Josh Daicos (22 disposals @ 73%, 389 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 9 handballs, 2 marks, 9 tackles, 5 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) started the game really well, and was the catalyst behind Collingwood's lead in the first quarter. Josh found it harder over the next three quarters to replicate that brilliance on the wing, as his teammates struggled to win the ball from clearances to feed the ball out to him, as well as the team's inability to link up out of defence for him to lead or run into space on his wing to take marks or receive handpasses. In short, very pleasing progress with Josh this season as he is back to his 2020 form. 2022 is on course to be his best season since arriving at the Magpies in the 2016 draft.
Taylor Adams (22 disposals @ 46%, 519 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 7 handballs, 4 marks, 8 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had no issues winning the footy, but struggled to adjust to the tempo after having the virus last week, and his ball use requires improvement to improve the team's prospect of winning more matches.
Jordan De Goey (21 disposals @ 86%, 581 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 8 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 7 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 8 Inside 50s, 3 Rebound 50s & 4 goals) played his most damaging and influential game of the season, by bursting to life in the final term to carry the team on his shoulders with 3 goals in the last quarter, and showed value through the midfield to win clearances and generate forward supply from that position when he did not drift forward to impact the game. This is the standard that Jordan needs to produce in every game for the remainder of the season, as this kind of outing may allow Collingwood to win more matches than they lose in the immediate future.
Scott Pendlebury (27 disposals @ 85%, 362 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 16 handballs, 4 marks, 3 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 6 Inside 50s) started the game in the midfield by tagging Lachie Neale and was able to accumulate 8 disposals in the first term, before dropping back to play as a defender for the following three quarters which still had stints of midfield time, particularly at the start of the third term to quell Neale's brilliance which ultimately proved fruitless. Pendlebury continues to make smart decisions whenever he wins possession, regardless of whether it is in defence or the midfield.
Nick Daicos (27 disposals @ 70%, 275 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 14 handballs, 4 marks, 4 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) displayed his ability to accumulate possessions in a reliable and consistent manner. Nick's ball use came unstuck a few times coming out of defence, but Nick kept working hard to win back or maintain possession of the footy as often as possible.
Brayden Maynard (19 disposals @ 74%, 482 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 6 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements & 5 Inside 50s) looked to kick long as much as possible, which was all well and good, but not if it is not going to the team's advantage. There were two particular kicks that went inside 50 in the third quarter that did not allow any of Collingwood's forwards to contest or mark the ball on those occasions. Maynard was also not able to generate rebound from defence, which the Lions were able to take away from Collingwood's game. That reduced Maynard's ability to influence the game, so hopefully he will be able to generate rebound and kick to the team's advantage in the club's next game.
Darcy Moore (17 disposals @ 76%, 290 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 2 score involvements, 7 Rebound 50s & 2 goals) rediscovered his strength behind the ball to take intercept marks, before being swung forward to kick a couple of cheap goals, with his second goal kicked just before the final siren.
Isaac Quaynor (14 disposals @ 79%, 284 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 6 handballs, 2 marks, 4 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) made the most of his disposals by providing run and carry and hit most of his kicks coming out of defence.
Jeremy Howe (14 disposals @ 86%, 322 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 9 marks & 6 Rebound 50s) had a solid outing in his 200th game without being a star. Howe clunked his marks, and maintained possession with the vast majority of his disposals.
Will Hoskin-Elliott (15 disposals @ 87%, 160 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) accumulated possessions up forward and took marks, but did not provide much value other than those aspects listed.
Nathan Kreuger (12 disposals @ 67%, 260 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 6 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) gave Collingwood a genuine marking target up forward to either take marks or crash packs to bring the ball down to ground level. Although Kreuger was able to kick goals, he also cost his team a couple of majors at the wrong time. Make every kick at goal a winner, Nathan!
Reef McInnes (10 disposals @ 60%, 164 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 2 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) played his best game for the club so far, and displayed his attributes in a nod to the future with his inclusion at AFL level. Reef will be kicking himself that he did not allow Collingwood to lead by at least 4 goals at quarter time with the set shots he missed in the opening term, as the Magpies only had a lead of exactly 2 goals at the first break. To McInnes' credit, he was able to kick goals after those behinds to reaffirm his confidence and true ability to impact matches at AFL level.
Collingwood's next game will be against Essendon on April 25 at the MCG. This match will be season-defining for Collingwood after having lost its last three games, albeit by small margins. Getting Mihocek, Ginnivan & McCreery back into Collingwood's forward line will be a key focus, while the lengthy break will give much of the playing group time to recover and be rejuvenated for ANZAC Day. The Magpies will get plenty of looks at goal against the Bombers, so the importance of converting goals will be felt across the board. Winning the big and crucial moments against the Bombers more often than not will allow the Pies to taste victory at the end of a challenging and troubling month.
Collingwood won their statistical categories from handballs by +23 (167 - 144), uncontested possessions were won by +8 (223 - 215), while hit-outs had a differential of +14 (39 - 25), +6 for tackles (62 - 56), Tackles Inside 50 had a margin of +6 (13 - 7), and Inside 50s were won by +8 (62 - 54). Brisbane claimed most of the key indicators from sources such as disposals by +14 (375 - 361), +37 for kicks (231 - 194), contested possessions were up by +17 (147 - 130), +2 for intercept possessions (81 - 79), while clearances had an advantage of +3 (41 - 38), with centre clearances won narrowly by +1 (16 - 15), and stoppage clearances claimed by +2 (25 - 23). Marks were in Brisbane's favour by +18 (96 - 78), with uncontested marks won by +13 (84 - 71), while Contested Marks had a differential of +5 (12 - 7), and Marks Inside 50 had a gap of +5 (13 - 8).
Jack Crisp (36 disposals @ 61%, 566 metres gained, 17 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 17 handballs, 3 marks, 8 tackles, 5 score involvements, 11 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 9 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had a very good game where he was highly prolific through the midfield for the Magpies. Unfortunately, his skill errors (11 turnovers) meant his disposal efficiency determined how much control the team had when Collingwood were in possession. Reduce those turnovers against the Bombers on ANZAC Day, Crispy!
Patrick Lipinski (22 disposals @ 77%, 272 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 15 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) was below average for three quarters, before finishing the game strongly with 10 disposals in the last quarter. I'd expect a much bigger output from Patrick on Monday week, especially if he continues the momentum of his last quarter against the Lions in Brisbane.
Josh Daicos (22 disposals @ 73%, 389 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 9 handballs, 2 marks, 9 tackles, 5 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) started the game really well, and was the catalyst behind Collingwood's lead in the first quarter. Josh found it harder over the next three quarters to replicate that brilliance on the wing, as his teammates struggled to win the ball from clearances to feed the ball out to him, as well as the team's inability to link up out of defence for him to lead or run into space on his wing to take marks or receive handpasses. In short, very pleasing progress with Josh this season as he is back to his 2020 form. 2022 is on course to be his best season since arriving at the Magpies in the 2016 draft.
Taylor Adams (22 disposals @ 46%, 519 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 7 handballs, 4 marks, 8 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had no issues winning the footy, but struggled to adjust to the tempo after having the virus last week, and his ball use requires improvement to improve the team's prospect of winning more matches.
Jordan De Goey (21 disposals @ 86%, 581 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 8 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 7 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 8 Inside 50s, 3 Rebound 50s & 4 goals) played his most damaging and influential game of the season, by bursting to life in the final term to carry the team on his shoulders with 3 goals in the last quarter, and showed value through the midfield to win clearances and generate forward supply from that position when he did not drift forward to impact the game. This is the standard that Jordan needs to produce in every game for the remainder of the season, as this kind of outing may allow Collingwood to win more matches than they lose in the immediate future.
Scott Pendlebury (27 disposals @ 85%, 362 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 16 handballs, 4 marks, 3 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 6 Inside 50s) started the game in the midfield by tagging Lachie Neale and was able to accumulate 8 disposals in the first term, before dropping back to play as a defender for the following three quarters which still had stints of midfield time, particularly at the start of the third term to quell Neale's brilliance which ultimately proved fruitless. Pendlebury continues to make smart decisions whenever he wins possession, regardless of whether it is in defence or the midfield.
Nick Daicos (27 disposals @ 70%, 275 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 14 handballs, 4 marks, 4 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) displayed his ability to accumulate possessions in a reliable and consistent manner. Nick's ball use came unstuck a few times coming out of defence, but Nick kept working hard to win back or maintain possession of the footy as often as possible.
Brayden Maynard (19 disposals @ 74%, 482 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 6 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements & 5 Inside 50s) looked to kick long as much as possible, which was all well and good, but not if it is not going to the team's advantage. There were two particular kicks that went inside 50 in the third quarter that did not allow any of Collingwood's forwards to contest or mark the ball on those occasions. Maynard was also not able to generate rebound from defence, which the Lions were able to take away from Collingwood's game. That reduced Maynard's ability to influence the game, so hopefully he will be able to generate rebound and kick to the team's advantage in the club's next game.
Darcy Moore (17 disposals @ 76%, 290 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 2 score involvements, 7 Rebound 50s & 2 goals) rediscovered his strength behind the ball to take intercept marks, before being swung forward to kick a couple of cheap goals, with his second goal kicked just before the final siren.
Isaac Quaynor (14 disposals @ 79%, 284 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 6 handballs, 2 marks, 4 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) made the most of his disposals by providing run and carry and hit most of his kicks coming out of defence.
Jeremy Howe (14 disposals @ 86%, 322 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 9 marks & 6 Rebound 50s) had a solid outing in his 200th game without being a star. Howe clunked his marks, and maintained possession with the vast majority of his disposals.
Will Hoskin-Elliott (15 disposals @ 87%, 160 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) accumulated possessions up forward and took marks, but did not provide much value other than those aspects listed.
Nathan Kreuger (12 disposals @ 67%, 260 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 6 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) gave Collingwood a genuine marking target up forward to either take marks or crash packs to bring the ball down to ground level. Although Kreuger was able to kick goals, he also cost his team a couple of majors at the wrong time. Make every kick at goal a winner, Nathan!
Reef McInnes (10 disposals @ 60%, 164 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 2 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) played his best game for the club so far, and displayed his attributes in a nod to the future with his inclusion at AFL level. Reef will be kicking himself that he did not allow Collingwood to lead by at least 4 goals at quarter time with the set shots he missed in the opening term, as the Magpies only had a lead of exactly 2 goals at the first break. To McInnes' credit, he was able to kick goals after those behinds to reaffirm his confidence and true ability to impact matches at AFL level.
Collingwood's next game will be against Essendon on April 25 at the MCG. This match will be season-defining for Collingwood after having lost its last three games, albeit by small margins. Getting Mihocek, Ginnivan & McCreery back into Collingwood's forward line will be a key focus, while the lengthy break will give much of the playing group time to recover and be rejuvenated for ANZAC Day. The Magpies will get plenty of looks at goal against the Bombers, so the importance of converting goals will be felt across the board. Winning the big and crucial moments against the Bombers more often than not will allow the Pies to taste victory at the end of a challenging and troubling month.
Jack Crisp vs the much maligned Adams.
Crisp 11 turnovers and 9 clangers running at 41% kicking efficiency, vs 5 and 3 for Adams.
He was our 2nd worst vs WC too with Josh Daicos number one who also needs to clean it up although his overall game has improved. This also doesn't show the kicks that were contested but to the defenders advantage.
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Regardless of arguments about his size and strength, the reality is that Cal Brown is scared to kick the ball and so handballs in panic to the nearest flat-footed team-mate virtually every time he gets it. His lack of composure and wider vision continually sells his team-mates into trouble. Invariably the receivers of Cal’s handballs are immediately under pressure or tackled, often resulting in turnovers that are not directly attributed to Cal but are essentially caused by his hospital-pass handballs.
Stepping back from all of that, Cal has now played 70+ games of AFL for minimal result or benefit to the team. He is not a new or developing player anymore. At this point in his career he should not still have glaring skill or composure issues. If you think he can suddenly turn into a really effective AFL-level player then you are kidding yourself.
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I dislike his obsession with doing one too many things - taking one too many steps, dishing out one too many handballs, waiting one second too bloody long. The ball goes to the opposition, leaving Brown staring in its wake, contemplating perhaps, what could and should have been had he acted more quickly and decisively.
He is just a flurry of arms and legs that acts as a conduit for the ball en-route to the opposition. Sadly his brother, who rarely ever touches the ball, is an even more limited player.
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He had opposition forwards initiating contact by crashing into his surgically repaired shoulder. Give it time.
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Yup and first game back after a long time. He'll be better for the run, and each game will be better for him.
Just like how the eagles played players out of touch, but you are gonna re-gain that by playing afl.
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What’s the solution? We move back to the backline and our midfield isn’t physical enough.
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Josh baulks and backtracks to find space easily, but it often results in him kicking with no momentum and his weight almost moving backwards. He's another who needs to dish off by hand more.
Why aren't you in our suite of coaches? A word in the players' ears and you could fix everyone's game
sr36
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I talk a lot of shit.
But I get the impression that the previous coaching group didn't do much differentiated instruction, because obvious weaknesses never changed. I like that we've got a trained teacher in charge. Clarko's brother is a principal. I worked under him for a while - his cliche use is world's best, but Clarko hired assistants with teaching experience and his players continually improved in a way that ours didn't.
Wasn’t talking next week. Med term…
