List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[daddy_4_eyes]

Did I say that did I?

You literally said "because we finished the season really strong with a new and exciting game plan that will benefit us next year, the season wouldn't have been wasted."

Not sure how else to interpret that, other than you attributing a climb up to 9th to a "new and exciting game plan"?

 

[Obeanie1]

Dont you know positivity is not welcome on this board?

Not true.

Blind faith.......not so much.

 

[plays tall 1]

Do you honestly think our game plan is the reason for our poor performances since we won the flag?

There's bigger issue within the club at play here, including:

• "credits in the bank" attitude to team selection
• lack of hunger (2019 & 2020 in particular)
• the absolute incompetence in negotiating the Kelly trade
• the bizarre player development
• a pre-season injury list 2 years in a row now that warrants questions being asked
• Injury management in particular seems off
• and more recently the rumours of what is happening behind the scenes, from players dictating to Simmo to the fractured relationships amongst the playing group.

Also the bungling of the handling of players apparently eligible to WCE on a priority basis in Erasmus and Jones. Sure, Erasmus went too high for us to get him, but they weren’t to know that when they stuffed it up.

Hopefully this is one simple area where Nisbett has read the riot act to those responsible to ensure no repeat.

 

[JackOutback]

Do you honestly think our game plan is the reason for our poor performances since we won the flag?

There's bigger issue within the club at play here, including:

• "credits in the bank" attitude to team selection
• lack of hunger (2019 & 2020 in particular)
• the absolute incompetence in negotiating the Kelly trade
• the bizarre player development
• a pre-season injury list 2 years in a row now that warrants questions being asked
• Injury management in particular seems off
• and more recently the rumours of what is happening behind the scenes, from players dictating to Simmo to the fractured relationships amongst the playing group.

With the exception of injuries, I think game plan is a bigger reason than any of the other nebulous points you raise. The game evolved, the Eagles got worked out, it's why they weren't able to win crunch matches that could have earned us a top 2/top 4 spot and finals.

 

[ROO DOGG]

You literally said "because we finished the season really strong with a new and exciting game plan that will benefit us next year, the season wouldn't have been wasted."

Not sure how else to interpret that, other than you attributing a climb up to 9th to a "new and exciting game plan"?

You conveniently left out the start of the sentence that read... but if it was... so I'm not really implying that that is what I think will happen just that i fear it may happen. I don't think I said anything about our performance since winning the premiership either. Anyway as long as we are moving away from the kick backwards slow frustrating nothing exciting game plan I don't really care where we finish, obviously 9th is the worst and don't really want to finish there. I just think our top end players are too good to finish bottom 5 and constant injuries are preventing us seeing the best of our players whether that is bad luck or bad management who knows.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Not true.

Blind faith.......not so much.

it is Easter

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

With the exception of injuries, I think game plan is a bigger reason than any of the other nebulous points you raise. The game evolved, the Eagles got worked out, it's why they weren't able to win crunch matches that could have earned us a top 2/top 4 spot and finals.

Individually, each of those things can be overlooked.
Collectively, they suggest something at the club stinks.

plays tall 1 pointed out another issue that was just not good enough. There's also the Beagles, which have been a debacle since the start. The AFLW team feels like it was set up for PR instead of an extension of the club (i.e. we don't want to look like we aren't onboard, so we got a team up. But minimal effort has actually gone into building a well structured womens team).
The recent revelation of Patrick Bines situation is another.
How Rioli's habitual drug use slipped through, given our clubs recent history with drug use, is mind boggling.


I'm sure we could list several other problems if we really put our heads together.

 

[ghostbat12]

Do you honestly think our game plan is the reason for our poor performances since we won the flag?

There's bigger issue within the club at play here, including:

• "credits in the bank" attitude to team selection
• lack of hunger (2019 & 2020 in particular)
• the absolute incompetence in negotiating the Kelly trade
• the bizarre player development
• a pre-season injury list 2 years in a row now that warrants questions being asked
• Injury management in particular seems off
• and more recently the rumours of what is happening behind the scenes, from players dictating to Simmo to the fractured relationships amongst the playing group.

I have missed the rumours of simmo being dictated to and fractured group.

What is that about?

 

[ROO DOGG]

If we were to get a top 5 pick, who should we take assuming they are all available?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

So very early on with Chesser and Hough but ROB seems to have addressed outside speed. I am nervous that Tsatas is going to tempt the Pieman and he’s looming as a top 5 pick. Quoting Tsatas

“I’m usually an outside midfielder, whether that be wing or outside in the midfield a little bit too. I like to use my speed and my kicking ability to break the game open and I think my decision making’s also a strength.”

Forget Hewitt, way too inside and it’s not as if we need to address contested football

Yep, it's pretty evident our recruiting team think you can grab contested mids late in the draft and look for talls, HBF or outside mids early.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Mitch O'Neill just quietly dominating in the SANFL for Sth Adelaide

(averaging 33d, 6m, 5t and almost a goal a game over 3 rounds)

 

[WCE_Talk]

If we were to get a top 5 pick, who should we take assuming they are all available?

Elijah Hewett or George Wardlaw, easy decision for me.


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[Eastcoasteagle]

If we were to get a top 5 pick, who should we take assuming they are all available?

Depends where that pick is in the top 5, and most of the u19s are only a handful of games into their season so still a long way to go.
Before the Championships it's too hard to compare who's best, it's not until you see Wardlaw and Hewitt go head to head until you know who is better.

So I'd say if our pick is top 5, we look to address most pressing list need (stoppage midfielder) that has the most class. If our pick is 5, we hope a Lemmey (key forward) and Tsatas go before our pick and someone like Hewitt is still there.

 

[The Passenger]

If we were to get a top 5 pick, who should we take assuming they are all available?

At this very early stage, Elijah Hewett seems to fit in terms of expected quality, playing position and being a local boy. If he's gone there are a few similar options, just not locals - George Wardlaw the most likely. We shouldn't be worried about picking up non locals. Judd going home was a long time ago now and we got a great trade out of it. And to be fair, the club doesn't seem concerned anymore (if it really ever was) - our last four top 15 picks are Chesser, Brander, Venables and Duggan who were all Victorian.

The high risk high reward option would be the ruckman Jackson Broadbent. But ruckmen can be very hit and miss and whilst NicNat obviously worked out well, the draft position of top rucks in the competition seems far more varied than any other position. For the most part, I think I'd rather stick to the Bailey Williams and Jack Williams tactic of looking for ruck prospects in the 3rd and 4th round and see if one develops. In any given year there's only about 5 rucks who make a genuine difference to their team - we've just been lucky enough to have two of them who have been consistently influential ruckmen for nearly two decades now. Grand Finals being won with Max Bailey, David Hale, Ben McEvoy, Jordan Roughead, Scott Lycett, Nathan Vardy and Toby Nankervis tells me you can win flags with ruck(s) that do no more than hold their own.

I'm generally a fan of going best available and re-work your list as required. But our depth has become quite imbalanced with so few midfielders that I think we need to take one with our first pick this year, even if it meant reaching a few spots for a player. It looking like a top five pick so there are going to be guys right in that range that fit exactly what we need. In the event it did look like we were going to be reaching for a midfielder we could look to trade down and pick up something in the way we did with the Port trade last year. Either way, it's a good position to be in come draft day.

All the above said, there's plenty of football to be played in 2022 so names might change (our most pressing need won't) but those early front runners are definitely starting to take shape.

 

[Monocle]

Depends where that pick is in the top 5, and most of the u19s are only a handful of games into their season so still a long way to go.
Before the Championships it's too hard to compare who's best, it's not until you see Wardlaw and Hewitt go head to head until you know who is better.

So I'd say if our pick is top 5, we look to address most pressing list need (stoppage midfielder) that has the most class. If our pick is 5, we hope a Lemmey (key forward) and Tsatas go before our pick and someone like Hewitt is still there.

On a side note ECE isn’t Lemmey an exciting prospect.
I rate him higher than the King Twins in their draft year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Broadbent seems like as close to a sure thing as you could expect from a junior ruckman.

But I thought that about Leuenberger.

 

[Monocle]

Broadbent seems like as close to a sure thing as you could expect from a junior ruckman.

But I thought that about Leuenberger.

I think Leuenberger was a fantastic player and one that sadly we never got to see the best of.

He was at Brisbane when they were a rabble and his career was delayed and impacted badly through the incompetence of the Brisbane Medical Team with the management of his knee injury.
Then the debilitating further damages that happens when the serious infection set into the injury.
He lost 11 kg as a result of being so sick with the infection.

I have no doubt that had he not sustained the knee injury, he would have been a star at Brisbane…… instead he was an average player at Brisbane and then Essendon.

It’s such a shame when good talent is hindered and wrecked by serious injuries.

 

[The Passenger]

But I thought that about Leuenberger.

I'm not sure if anyone who done the data on it but at first glance it seems like ruckmen are much more prone to injury than bulkier KPP's and more compact midfielders. It's also a very physical position so it makes sense injuries are more common.

Leuenberger was on a pretty good path for a while but injuries were never far away. Kreuzer is the other way from recent times. NicNat came back but we were all worried his career was on the verge of being derailed 5 or so years ago.

Even ignoring injuries there are plenty of great rucks who weren't taken high - Gawn (36), Grundy (18, comfortably the highest from this group), Cox (rookie), Sandilands (rookie), Goldstein (37), Jamar (rookie) and Mumford (rookie) all had very good careers. As in my post a few above I think hunting for ruck prospects in the third round and lower is the more optimal use of draft capital.

Everyone has their own individual preferences but for mine, I'm not taking a ruck in the top ten unless they've slid a few positions. E.g. At pick #5 I'd want a ruck who was generally considered top two. At pick #10 I'd want a ruck who was generally considered top five.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Grundy was considered top five or thereabouts, but slid because everyone took that attitude.

Maybe Broadbent will have something similar and we can get him with our second rounder or Port’s, or package those two and move up into the teens to get him.

I’m with you guys (I think), if we end up with a top five pick I’d be using it on someone like Wardlaw or Hewett, who has the potential to be a star mid.

 

[MrWoollie]

At this very early stage, Elijah Hewett seems to fit in terms of expected quality, playing position and being a local boy. If he's gone there are a few similar options, just not locals - George Wardlaw the most likely.

How could he be gone when, at best, it looks like we'll finish 17th.
It's not as if the AFL will screw us by giving out priority picks at the top of the draft to teams better than us like Norf and GCS...
oh...
pick 6 or 7 it is then.

 

[ROO DOGG]

On a side note ECE isn’t Lemmey an exciting prospect.
I rate him higher than the King Twins in their draft year.

Well we take him if he is available then

 

[The Passenger]

Grundy was considered top five or thereabouts, but slid because everyone took that attitude.

Maybe Broadbent will have something similar and we can get him with our second rounder or Port’s, or package those two and move up into the teens to get him.

I’m with you guys (I think), if we end up with a top five pick I’d be using it on someone like Wardlaw or Hewett, who has the potential to be a star mid.

Interesting - I don't remember that in regards to Grundy. But certainly can see it happening and why it happens. If I ever get the time I might go through afldraftguru and punch the numbers on ruckmen and compare to other positions.

Re Broadbent If we have say pick 22 and 25 and he's still there at say 15, you'd certainly consider trying to trade for 15 and 35(ish).

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Interesting - I don't remember that in regards to Grundy. But certainly can see it happening and why it happens. If I ever get the time I might go through afldraftguru and punch the numbers on ruckmen and compare to other positions.

Twomey’s phantom had him going at 14 to GWS which he described as one of the great draft steals, had him also in the mix for Port at pick 7 along with Sam Mayes (in the end, they took Wines at that pick, who Twomey had going earlier).



Good article here as well: How Brodie Grundy slipped to No.18 in the draft

Always interesting looking back at old mocks and seeing who might’ve gone where vs who did go where vs who might go where if it was done today.

 

[RanaNaved]

If we were to get a top 5 pick, who should we take assuming they are all available?

Any one of Wardlaw, Tsatas and Hewitt would be cool with me.

I'd like to see Sheezel work his way in to the middle more and see how he goes. Szybkowski is rapidly climbing draft watchers rankings.

Wardlaw would be my preference if forced to choose.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Twomey’s phantom had him going at 14 to GWS which he described as one of the great draft steals, had him also in the mix for Port at pick 7 along with Sam Mayes (in the end, they took Wines at that pick, who Twomey had going earlier).

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Good article here as well: How Brodie Grundy slipped to No.18 in the draft

Always interesting looking back at old mocks and seeing who might’ve gone where vs who did go where vs who might go where if it was done today.

Instead at 14 they took Aiden Corr.

Josh Simpson went to our purple neighbours and Troy Menzel went to Carlton at 11. My mate was a talent spotter for Carlton and he was ropable about the Troy pick at the time. After the first round, there were slim pickings that year. GWS had taken effectively a first round with their prior selections.