List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Get_The_Gaff]

I’d take option 3.

Take pick 20 to the draft, waterman stays as cheap back up. Play second ruck/fwd alongside Allen and darling. Reality is that Ryan is the third tall given ability to play out of goal square and marking ability.

Seriously which third tall in the league is worth pick 20? Maybe Bailey fritsch. Then who? They are neither a key forward or a genuine small forward or capable of being a midfielder who rests forward. Really not worth much.

I'm not saying georgiades is worth pick 20 . Port would ask for that given he is contracted . They got something ridiculous for a contracted Ladhams last year .

 

[Happy Mastenator]

So Breust when he was younger wasnt worth much?

Hird?

Le cras?

A good medium forward who kicks clutch goals is worth more than you are making out.

Breust is 184cm, Lecras was 182, in no way were they third talls. They were small forwards first and foremost who happened to be good overhead.

James Hird was 188cm and an all time great mid/half forward.

As I said find an example in the league now.

 

[Obeanie1]

So we play one short with him playing because the grand scheme he doesn’t really matter?

He cant defend or apply any defensive pressure at all so at least there is that so playing one short isn’t that great an idea..

If your still a fringe player after 6 years on a list you shouldn’t be on a list… after next year it will be 7.

Now Georgiades at the age of 20 averages better over this season and also a career than Waterman in most key stats in the game.. goals per game,score involvements, tackles in forward 50, contested marks, marks inside 50.

Is he going to be the difference between us now and winning a flag? No- but id rather but games into him than someone who has had plenty of chances to prove he belongs.

Waterman has had plenty of chances?

No he hasnt. He's been played all over the shop behind JK, JD and Allen. He been pushed up the ground and also into defense.

He also has had the worse midfield in tthe AFL kicking to other players, not him.

And people are sinking the boot in. Just image if he had a half decent midfield kicking it to him. Until then we will not know if he is good enough.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

JK retired.

Shuey and Nic with new 1 year deals.

And our aimis to hitthe draft, which is the cheapest way to bring in talent.

Yeo and Gov may get an extra year to spread things out.

It means that we arent in the market for a big $$ trade or fa for two years. So what? We dont want that right now. We want young talent to develop.

I don't think we should offer shuey another contract . He is cooked . We have had 16 games with shuey redden and gaff playing midfield this year and we have been pumped in the middle.

Gaff is unfortunately contracted on big dollars and redden has triggered a contract.

Something has to give and unfortunately shuey has to go .

What does he think he is worth another year at 500k ?

Shuey needs the tap on the shoulder as does hurn .

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't think we should offer shuey another contract . He is cooked . We have had 16 games with shuey redden and gaff playing midfield this year and we have been pumped in the middle.

Gaff is unfortunately contracted on big dollars and redden has triggered a contract.

Something has to give and unfortunately shuey has to go .

What does he think he is worth another year at 500k ?

Shuey needs the tap on the shoulder as does hurn .

I would move two players such as Redden and one other to the rookie list. $200k pa.

Hurn and Shuey no more than $300k each. They wont get jobs outside football paying that.

 

[Convocation]

Eagles spending STAGGERING amount on seven stars

West Coast’s salary cap squeeze has been laid bare, with the two-win Eagles spending nearly half on just seven players, five of which are 30 or older.

www.perthnow.com.au

All of those contracts, bar Kelly, will be off our books by the end of 2024

And most, if not all, of those players had contract offers from rival clubs of greater or equal value when they signed those contracts

Plus the figures are guesstimates, no one knows what any of these players are on, it’s pure speculation and guesswork.

 

[MrWoollie]

Barrass is contracted until 2027 and Allen until 2025 so they’re secure

We’ve also contracted Chesser until 2025

Not sure who else is on our list that other clubs are going to be throwing big money at to poach in the next two years

Problem being that we have no flex to pay guys like Bazzo and Hough more money if they start performing. We can't offer them extensions because we can't pay them and if someone offers them a deal on better terms we are in no position to match.

What if Culley starts to look like an 'A grade' mid? He's contracted for 2023 but that's it. We can't match any decent offer anyone else puts in front of him.

We have no ability to chase guys like English or Jackson. Freo are performing somewhat better than us at the moment. Their list is younger, comparatively stacked full of performing talent compared to ours and their wage bill is way down on ours. As evidenced by their ability to chase big names we cannot.

It's not as though we are getting value for money out of any of the identified expensive contracts, except maybe Darling.

Until we get those high pay contracts off our books we are in a hole.

 

[Monocle]

The whole Georgiades V Waterman discussion is nothing more that a moot point.

1. Georgiades in contracted till the end of next season.
2. Pick 20 isn't going to cut it for Port to trade MG.

Would I like MG on our list, would he improve our list, absolutely, but he isn't a player who plays a position of immediate need.

What are the knowns.

1. MG is contracted for another year.
2. MG wants to return to Perth.
3. Schofield ( of the Jarrad variety ) wants him on our list.
4. MG wants to play under Schofield's tutelage.

The only way I see an MG deal getting done this trade period, is if Port are prepared to take a discount in draft capital, from us in a trade, IF and its a big IF, they get in a bidding war for either Grundy and or Rankin and they need draft picks to get that/those deal/s done.

 

[Godfather32]

Plus the figures are guesstimates, no one knows what any of these players are on, it’s pure speculation and guesswork.

Who knows, the way the club handled Simmo's contract they could all have deals until 2028 and we just don't know it

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Pretty neat summary of what we need to do.

 

[Godfather32]

Pretty neat summary of what we need to do.

Haha... like who??

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

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Haha... like who??

What about...ummmm.. I am drawing a blank anyone got anything?

 

[Godfather32]

What about...ummmm.. I am drawing a blank anyone got anything?

I mean most of our team who you aren't fussed about keeping are either too old or too crap to have value.

 

[ziad]

Waterman has had plenty of chances?

No he hasnt. He's been played all over the shop behind JK, JD and Allen. He been pushed up the ground and also into defense.

He also has had the worse midfield in tthe AFL kicking to other players, not him.

And people are sinking the boot in. Just image if he had a half decent midfield kicking it to him. Until then we will not know if he is good enough.

When did being a failure in many spoyts ceeate a good CV. By far his worst games have been forward over the last few week when he has been given a rolls royce opportunity. he hasnt got it.

Lets move on and look to a list that will compete for finals.

 

[Keys]

Problem being that we have no flex to pay guys like Bazzo and Hough more money if they start performing. We can't offer them extensions because we can't pay them and if someone offers them a deal on better terms we are in no position to match.

What if Culley starts to look like an 'A grade' mid? He's contracted for 2023 but that's it. We can't match any decent offer anyone else puts in front of him.

We have no ability to chase guys like English or Jackson. Freo are performing somewhat better than us at the moment. Their list is younger, comparatively stacked full of performing talent compared to ours and their wage bill is way down on ours. As evidenced by their ability to chase big names we cannot.

It's not as though we are getting value for money out of any of the identified expensive contracts, except maybe Darling.

Until we get those high pay contracts off our books we are in a hole.

We have a grand total of six players contracted beyond 2024 - Barrass (2027) and Allen, Kelly, Sheed, Cole and Chesser (2025).

Our salary cap beyond 2024 is essentially a blank canvas.

Unless Hough, Bazzo or Culley have a massive breakout year in 2023 I don’t think they’d be warranting a contract offer that is unmatchable

We’ve reportedly offered Jackson similar money to Fremantle (May or may not be true) but looks like he sees them as a better option. For us the issue with Jackson is less about money than it is the draft capital he’d cost given the current state of our list

English comes out of contract in 2024 and will be a free agent when he does. Right when most of our big money contracts are in the rear vision mirror opening the door for a big FA offering

Our salary cap is tight, a hangover from winning a flag and bringing Kelly in but it will ease at the same time Freo’s begins to tighten

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

I mean most of our team who you aren't fussed about keeping are either too old or too crap to have value.

And Barrass is well and truly a stupid idea to trade. Gaff and Shuey look cooked. Nelson can go but who would take him?

 

[MrWoollie]

We have a grand total of six players contracted beyond 2024 - Barrass (2027) and Allen, Kelly, Sheed, Cole and Chesser (2025).

Our salary cap beyond 2024 is essentially a blank canvas.

Unless Hough, Bazzo or Culley have a massive breakout year in 2023 I don’t think they’d be warranting a contract offer that is unmatchable

We’ve reportedly offered Jackson similar money to Fremantle (May or may not be true) but looks like he sees them as a better option. For us the issue with Jackson is less about money than it is the draft capital he’d cost given the current state of our list

English comes out of contract in 2024 and will be a free agent when he does. Right when most of our big money contracts are in the rear vision mirror opening the door for a big FA offering

Our salary cap is tight, a hangover from winning a flag and bringing Kelly in but it will ease at the same time Freo’s begins to tighten

And that supports what I said earlier. Now until end of 2024 is a world of salary cap pain.

Agree that come end of 2024 things clear up as we offload the huge salaries that are currently killing us. It's up until then we suffer.

And the things that absolutely sh*t me are...
1) a lot of people saw this coming; and
2) we are not getting anything like value out of these guys (Except JD).

I've long held the belief that player salaries lag performance and output for young guys and performance and output lags salaries for old guys. With young guys you get value+ for money while old guys are fading away in both output and durability while still commanding the big bucks.
Therefore an old, overpaid list will generally underperform what they are being paid. WCE 2022 anyone?

 

[jesterwester]

The adding pace line is why we might end up picking someone like Tsatas with our first. He is genuinely quick and would slot quite nicely off a wing. Firmly on the Wardlaw train if available right now but it will be interesting to see which way we go.

The get fit factor is quite relevant though. It’s not just that we have a bunch of guys over 30- we haven’t been able to keep them fit enough to get close to the football we know they can play. I mean Gov was playing some of his better footy before he got covid, then injured this year. Yeo goes back to HB, looks dynamic- gets a new injury.

The next few months before Christmas in getting our players fit for a FULL pre-season in my mind is probably the most important period for how this list projects next year and beyond. Things can, turn around quickly if we get out of the “woe is me” mindset.

 

[Rowan18]

Problem being that we have no flex to pay guys like Bazzo and Hough more money if they start performing. We can't offer them extensions because we can't pay them and if someone offers them a deal on better terms we are in no position to match.

What if Culley starts to look like an 'A grade' mid? He's contracted for 2023 but that's it. We can't match any decent offer anyone else puts in front of him.

We have no ability to chase guys like English or Jackson. Freo are performing somewhat better than us at the moment. Their list is younger, comparatively stacked full of performing talent compared to ours and their wage bill is way down on ours. As evidenced by their ability to chase big names we cannot.

It's not as though we are getting value for money out of any of the identified expensive contracts, except maybe Darling.

Until we get those high pay contracts off our books we are in a hole.

What are you talking about? Gov's contract ends next year and he's on $900K. Re-sign him at half that and we have another $450K available. Shuey, Redden, Hurn and Nic are probably all gone at the end of next year too. We only have a salary cap crunch for next year if we tried to bring some big money player in this year (which I doubt we will do).

By the end of 2024 we are seriously cashed up. All our vets (bar Kelly) will have their big money contracts ended and will drop back a fair bit. We will easily be able to pay any of our emerging stars what is required.

 

[BrotherDodge]

Problem being that we have no flex to pay guys like Bazzo and Hough more money if they start performing. We can't offer them extensions because we can't pay them and if someone offers them a deal on better terms we are in no position to match.

What if Culley starts to look like an 'A grade' mid? He's contracted for 2023 but that's it. We can't match any decent offer anyone else puts in front of him.

Yeah, Culley is the worry. Bazzo and Hough are local kids, so they'll probably stay unless someone offers ridiculous money. All we can really do is show some improvement and build the kind of club that players want to stick around and win a flag with.

 

[Goroyals22]

Waterman has had plenty of chances?

No he hasnt. He's been played all over the shop behind JK, JD and Allen. He been pushed up the ground and also into defense.

He also has had the worse midfield in tthe AFL kicking to other players, not him.

And people are sinking the boot in. Just image if he had a half decent midfield kicking it to him. Until then we will not know if he is good enough.

Yeah 6 years and 74 ordinary games isn’t enough..lets see if we can get him to 100 games before we decide he is garbage..

He is played behind those forwards because he isn’t good enough to play ahead of them… its is up to him to show he was and he hasn’t done it … he cant take a contested mark to save himself , has no defensive ability to lock the ball in and has no second efforts….

 

[Schtinker]

He's been downgraded to Wardlaw.

or Wardrobe.

 

[Schtinker]

We’ve got Jack Williams who admittedly is a long term project who may not make it

Your point is valid though that we could do with another quality KPF to start developing but what we shouldn’t be doing is reaching for one when we have an opportunity to use a rare (for us) high pick on our biggest weakness which is the midfield

I think Jack Williams is McInnes mkII. Not good in the ruck, not good at FF but boy is he tall.

 

[Schtinker]

I don't think we should offer shuey another contract . He is cooked . We have had 16 games with shuey redden and gaff playing midfield this year and we have been pumped in the middle.

Gaff is unfortunately contracted on big dollars and redden has triggered a contract.

Something has to give and unfortunately shuey has to go .

What does he think he is worth another year at 500k ?

Shuey needs the tap on the shoulder as does hurn .

I'd happily keep Shuey as a HFF who rotates through the midfield for 5 minutes per quarter to give a chop out.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I think Jack Williams is McInnes mkII. Not good in the ruck, not good at FF but boy is he tall.

Impossible to judge him. How was he meant to show anything playing forward for the Beagles? I can only imagine the damage it has done to his development.