Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[No SPIN]

Absolutely, it says Collingwood is getting rid of the selfish players and only wants players interested in winning premierships.

It’s actually creating more selfish players - why shouldn’t a player, now just screw the best possible deal out of the club, just in case he’s treated like Treloar or Grundy down the track.

 

[sr36]

As I said elsewhere Moore just signed a 6 year contract - not sure this about face on Grundy, is giving him much comfort about the Clubs integrity and therefore his security, especially if his form slips.

Nah. The contract gives him massive financial security - that's why players sign these long term contracts. Either he or the club might decide it's time to part ways, that's the industry, but his security is still locked in.

 

[Wearmouth]

If you don’t see how reneging on a contract and forcing out another player, who actually wants to stay, reflects poor on the culture of the Club, then I can’t help you.

If don’t see the ramifications on the playing groups view of the club, or similarly players considering a move,
then again, I cant help you.

If you can’t see that this effectively pits players against the Club and where self interest, rather than cooperation and loyalty underscore the relationship, then again I can’t help you.

This is now full Tropic Thunder….


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[stormskye]

 

[Wearmouth]

Why is Melbourne going to all of a sudden be a bad team?

Straight setting from the finals, after finishing second isn’t good. Especially from the reigning Premiers. Who still haven’t beaten us in the past two seasons.


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[JB1975]

It’s actually creating more selfish players - why shouldn’t a player, now just screw the best possible deal out of the club, just in case he’s treated like Treloar or Grundy down the track.

The CFC made numerous decisions which compromised our list management. I like Grundy as player and person, but his contract was clearly a mistake at the time.

These sorts of mistakes need to be corrected with hard decisions.

I think that it is unreasonable for us to expect Grundy to take a substantial pay cut.

I don't think that it is unreasonable for us to move him on in the event that he doesn't take the hoped-for pay cut.

 

[No SPIN]

Nah. The contract gives him massive financial security - that's why players sign these long term contracts. Either he or the club might decide it's time to part ways, that's the industry, but his security is still locked in.

No way !
Moore is not comforted that he could forced to go to NM in the future, but have the reassurance that at least he’ll be on good money, that’s just fanciful.

 

[JLC]

Grundy signed a contract to be paid to play for Coll ONLY.

And what does he need to do to fulfill his end of the deal? Do you think he has done that thus far? Or as long as he plays his output and performance is irrelevant?

The balance of power with player contracts needs to swing back in favour of the club (imo).

 

[Wearmouth]

No way !
Moore is not comforted that he could forced to go to NM in the future, but have the reassurance that at least he’ll be on good money, that’s just fanciful.

What’s more fanciful
Is that you think you know what Moore is thinking.

You’ve jumped the shark.


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[No SPIN]

The CFC made numerous decisions which compromised our list management. I like Grundy as player and person, but his contract was clearly a mistake at the time.

These sorts of mistakes need to be corrected with hard decisions.

I think that it is unreasonable for us to expect Grundy to take a substantial pay cut.

I don't think that it is unreasonable for us to move him on in the event that he doesn't take the hoped-for pay cut.

Like I said, forcing out a player is not going to engender loyalty amongst the remaining playing group.
You and others might be prepared to take that risk - but then you can’t complain if the Clubs disloyalty, comes to the fore in contact negotiations.
The Club is setting a very bad example that will have ramifications.

 

[sr36]

No way !
Moore is not comforted that he could forced to go to NM in the future, but have the reassurance that at least he’ll be on good money, that’s just fanciful.

Any footballer who doesn't think he has to continue to perform to maintain his spot at his club is in nah nah land. It's an industry without job security, but Moore has locked in finiancial security.

 

[No SPIN]

And what does he need to do to fulfill his end of the deal? Do you think he has done that thus far? Or as long as he plays his output and performance is irrelevant?

The balance of power with player contracts needs to swing back in favour of the club (imo).

A contract is a contract.
And there is no clause that says PEAK performance, must be maintained through the contract period.

 

[Doc1763]

Maybe the quality of those interested is very different to those we really wish to attract.
Do you really think the treatment of Treloar and Grundy, enhances our aim to become a destination club?.

It certainly hasn't put anyone off, has it.

Please post a link to an article quoting a player has said they wont come to Collingwood because of the Treloar & Grundy situations.

I'll wait.

 

[JB1975]

Like I said, forcing out a player is not going to engender loyalty amongst the remaining playing group.
You and others might be prepared to take that risk - but then you can’t complain if the Clubs disloyalty, comes to the fore in contact negotiations.
The Club is setting a very bad example that will have ramifications.

The players aren't livestock. They're aware of their surroundings, the landscape, the concept of cause and effect.

They know (a) that our list management from a few years ago continues to have ripple effects, and (b) that Grundy's contract was a mistake which exacerbated the situation.

The circumstances and chemistry which engender the loyalty of players to club and to each other are more complex than these anomalies.

 

[mumblingpie]

Surely we’ll hear something tomorrow

 

[manicpie]

Loyalty to a club that isn't loyal to its own players? How long do you think that can last? People ignoring the possible cultural fallout from this do not have experience building successful teams.

If Grundy goes to Melbourne for not much and he is running around with a cup next year, let's hope there is nobody in here having a go at him.

But didn't we give away 3 players in 2020 and 2 years later we finished 3rd? There is also the cultural aspect of every other player at the club knowing that one guy is getting a mill a year and doesn't deserve it, don't you think that resonates through a club, especially after we are hearing more and more that clubs like Geelong and richmond are paying their players less and the players are happy to stay in that culture

 

[magpies42]

The players aren't livestock. They're aware of their surroundings, the landscape, the concept of cause and effect.

They know (a) that our list management from a few years ago continues to have ripple effects, and (b) that Grundy's contract was a mistake which exacerbated the situation.

The circumstances and chemistry which engender the loyalty of players to club and to each other are more complex than these anomalies.

At the end of the day it’s the players that created this farce with free agency and a more competitive market. So if they manage to leverage all that to get a better deal that they can’t then perform at, bad luck…you get traded.

 

[magpies42]

So the fake news media have taken another 100k off our salary cap. 350 of Grundy’s salary and 650 for McStay.

I reckon if you added up everybody’s ‘reported’ contracts we’d be two times our salary cap.

 

[Doc1763]

But didn't we give away 3 players in 2020 and 2 years later we finished 3rd? There is also the cultural aspect of every other player at the club knowing that one guy is getting a mill a year and doesn't deserve it, don't you think that resonates through a club, especially after we are hearing more and more that clubs like Geelong and richmond are paying their players less and the players are happy to stay in that culture

No, but, but, but, he has a contract, and, and ,and no one will want to come to Collingwood (other than the 6 who have already said they want to) if we don't honour his contract, and also, some of those nasty media types will really come after us, and, and, and its's just a really bad look, and did I mention he's got a contract????

 

[sr36]

A contract is a contract.
And there is no clause that says PEAK performance, must be maintained through the contract period.

Yes and the contract is for them to be paid that amount - and they will be. Salary dumps are now part of the industry and the players know that. I'd be more concerned for my mate that just got sacked than my mate that continued to get paid a million bucks a year to play at another club.

 

[No SPIN]

Yes and the contract is for them to be paid that amount - and they will be. Salary dumps are now part of the industry and the players know that. I'd be more concerned for my mate that just got sacked than my mate that continued to get paid a million bucks a year to play at another club.

No - the players and Clubs sign a contract in good faith, and expect that it will be honored to the letter.

Once it’s dishonored by the Club, then it’s a very bad omen for Culture and player loyalty.

I don’t think Fly would be very happy with how Grundy is being treated, and that’s instructive.

 

[JM#1]

Like I said, forcing out a player is not going to engender loyalty amongst the remaining playing group.
You and others might be prepared to take that risk - but then you can’t complain if the Clubs disloyalty, comes to the fore in contact negotiations.
The Club is setting a very bad example that will have ramifications.

Do we know what the circumstances were surrounding the Grundy contract? Was he threatening to leave if his demands were not met? If so, that doesn't seem very loyal either.

 

[magpies42]

No - the players and Clubs sign a contract in good faith, and expect that it will be honored to the letter.

Once it’s dishonored by the Club, then it’s a very bad omen for Culture and player loyalty.

I don’t think Fly would be very happy with how Grundy is being treated, and that’s instructive.

It’s Grundy that is not honouring his deal, if he was at 2018 levels we wouldn’t be having this conversation and may actually be premiers.

Free agency has done this, this is what the players wanted. Other clubs are doing it, it is a league wide issue…the new norm.

 

[manicpie]

The honorable thing for Grundy to do would be to reduce his contract to 3 years at the same money with an option for another 2 years at a revised amount

 

[sr36]

No - the players and Clubs sign a contract in good faith, and expect that it will be honored to the letter.

Once it’s dishonored by the Club, then it’s a very bad omen for Culture and player loyalty.

I don’t think Fly would be very happy with how Grundy is being treated, and that’s instructive.

One of the pundits on tv the other day claimed that there wouldn't be a club in the AFL that isn't paying part of the salary of an opposition player.