Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[jonbe54]

Do we know what the circumstances were surrounding the Grundy contract? Was he threatening to leave if his demands were not met? If so, that doesn't seem very loyal either.

I've heard reports that he was threatening to go back to SA but nothing specific.

 

[legendstatus]

I've heard reports that he was threatening to go back to SA but nothing specific.

Hope so - a bidding war will help us get a better deal.


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[Ugene41]

Absolutely, it says Collingwood is getting rid of the selfish players and only wants players interested in winning premierships.

Selfish players like Treloar?

Whilst keeping selfless players like JDG?

 

[HFF]

He took the market rate.

Lol he took the market rate?
He started dropping stories about building a family in SA back home and never had any intention to go home….as evident by now wanting to stay in Melbourne and not entertain a move to SA this time around either.

He played us (and I don’t have a problem about this because that’s his job to milk as much out of his career as he can)…but the chickens have come home to roost…

And now he is set to pay the price on the other side of the coin this time around….

lol he took market rate….
Talk about delusion

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

It may be unsavoury but this is the environment that the AFLPA and the managers have created.

The club has made an error in agreeing a contract, but as a paying member I would be filthy if we sat back and said “ah well, in 5 years time we’ll be back” there is currently no other mechanism to right the wrongs

How are we righting the wrong paying 300k of his salary for 5 years for him to play for Melbourne?

 

[Ugene41]

Any footballer who doesn't think he has to continue to perform to maintain his spot at his club is in nah nah land. It's an industry without job security, but Moore has locked in finiancial security.

Yes and the contract is for them to be paid that amount - and they will be. Salary dumps are now part of the industry and the players know that. I'd be more concerned for my mate that just got sacked than my mate that continued to get paid a million bucks a year to play at another club.

I have no issues if our position is that you need to perform in accordance with your contract otherwise we'll look to move you on. Except if that's our position then we should have a policy of not giving anyone more than 3-4 years maximum.

It's the signing players up to 5-6 year contracts on one hand and on the other hand shipping them off the moment their form dips whilst having to pay a big part of their remaining salary and getting peanut picks in return. If we know salary dumps are part of the industry now, why the hell are we giving out 5-6 year contracts and putting ourselves in a position to have to salary dump in the future?

 

[sr36]

I have no issues if our position is that you need to perform in accordance with your contract otherwise we'll look to move you on. Except if that's our position then we should have a policy of not giving anyone more than 3-4 years maximum.

It's the signing players up to 5-6 year contracts on one hand and on the other hand shipping them off the moment their form dips whilst having to pay a big part of their remaining salary and getting peanut picks in return. If we know salary dumps are part of the industry now, why the hell are we giving out 5-6 year contracts and putting ourselves in a position to have to salary dump in the future?

My assumption is that there is a trade off and the longer the contract the less the player gets per year. So whilst you're going to lose on some like we have, we've probably also gained by having Pendles, Crisp, Adams, and Sidey on long term contracts. We only focus on the ones that go bad, but I'd say some have been fantastic for the club. You'd need to look at them all collectively to know whether they're good or bad.

 

[Ugene41]

My assumption is that there is a trade off and the longer the contract the less the player gets per year. So whilst you're going to lose on some like we have, we've probably also gained by having Pendles, Crisp, Adams, and Sidey on long term contracts. You'd need to look at them all collectively to know whether they're good or bad.

Except that's not what we're doing. We gave Moore 6 years at max rates and now offering McStay and JDG 5 years at max rates. Just future salary dumps waiting to happen if our MO is to ship out contracted players once they dip in form.

 

[No SPIN]

Lol he took the market rate?
He started dropping stories about building a family in SA back home and never had any intention to go home….as evident by now wanting to stay in Melbourne and not entertain a move to SA this time around either.

He played us (and I don’t have a problem about this because that’s his job to milk as much out of his career as he can)…but the chickens have come home to roost…

And now he is set to pay the price on the other side of the coin this time around….

lol he took market rate….
Talk about delusion

I suppose you have links for all these claims.
I look forward to you posting them.

 

[sr36]

Except that's not what we're doing. We gave Moore 6 years at max rates and now offering McStay and JDG 5 years at max rates. Just future salary dumps waiting to happen if our MO is to ship out contracted players once they dip in form.

But the thing is they're not max rates. You can be confident that if a player is being offered 800,000 per year over 6 years, they'd be offered more per year over 2 years. Signing them for longer will result in savings if the player performs. For example, I daresay Crisp would have cost us a lot more if he'd signed a succession of two year contracts. The question is whether the gains are as big or bigger than the losses. You'd need to have more knowledge of the books than I or I daresay you do to have much idea. At the moment, we just whinge about the losses rather than factoring in the gains from long term contracts.

 

[No SPIN]

It’s Grundy that is not honouring his deal, if he was at 2018 levels we wouldn’t be having this conversation and may actually be premiers.

Free agency has done this, this is what the players wanted. Other clubs are doing it, it is a league wide issue…the new norm.

No contract has a clause insisting PEAK performance must be maintained for the term of the contract.

So it’s the club that’s not honoring the contract, not Grundy.
And there is no reason to believe Grundy can’t get back to great form, given how McCrae has reinvigorated many on the list.

This has got nothing to do with free agency.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

I don’t like the idea of ‘salary dumping’, and I’m not too impressed by how ruthlessly the club appears to be so determined to move him on.

That being said, it’s a business, and if the powers that be see fit to make this call, then we as minions can only assume they know best.
It also needs to be remembered, that it was the old management group that saw fit to give him a seven year contract.

 

[Ugene41]

But the thing is they're not max rates. You can be confident that if a player is being offered 800,000 per year over 6 years, they'd be offered more per year over 2 years. Signing them for longer will result in savings if the player performs. For example, I daresay Crisp would have cost us a lot more if he'd signed a succession of two year contracts. The question is whether the gains are as big or bigger than the losses. You'd need to have more knowledge of the books than I or I daresay you do to have much idea. At the moment, we just whinge about the losses rather than factoring in the gains from long term contracts.

So how is this argument different to Grundy's contract? His long term contract at $925k-975k p.a. would be less than what his price would be if he had signed a shorter term contract.

Why are we the only club in the business that signs our star players to long term contracts and then salary dumps them? Other clubs back in their marquee players even when they go through periods of poor form/injury. And at least when other clubs salary dump, they dump players that are not in their best 22 (e.g. Wright, Brodie) .

Instead we have had to do that with Treloar and two years later having to do that with Grundy. And we still don't seem to have learnt from our mistakes as we're still offering 5-6 year contracts at high rates to other players.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Maybe the club knows something about his run of injuries and thinks he's never getting back to his ability from 3-4 years ago. He's looked cooked for many years now and 6 years is a long time to carry anyone. Especially a contract of this size$$$

If they knew that, then why give him a 7 year & 7 million dollar contract?

 

[sr36]

So how is this argument different to Grundy's contract? His long term contract at $925k-975k p.a. would be less than what his price would be if he had signed a shorter term contract.

Why are we the only club in the business that signs our star players to long term contracts and then salary dumps them? Other clubs back in their marquee players even when they go through periods of poor form/injury. And at least when other clubs salary dump, they dump players that are not in their best 22 (e.g. Wright, Brodie) .

Instead we have had to do that with Treloar and two years later having to do that with Grundy. And we still don't seem to have learnt from our mistakes as we're still offering 5-6 year contracts at high rates to other players.

The argument isn't different to Grundy's situation. Treloar was a different story. He was performing to expectations, we'd just delayed payments and then stuffed up the books so badly that someone had to go. Yes we lost off the Grundy deal, but have probably saved by Crisp, Pendles, Adams, Sidey, having been signed to 5 year deals in recent times. What's the net result of our long term contracts? I don't know, but ruling them out based solely on losses, without comparing them to the gains, seems nuts to me.

 

[JLC]

If they knew that, then why give him a 7 year & 7 million dollar contract?

Ned Guy was like Christmas for the player agents.

 

[No SPIN]

It certainly hasn't put anyone off, has it.

Please post a link to an article quoting a player has said they wont come to Collingwood because of the Treloar & Grundy situations.

I'll wait.

Perceptions are everything - the treatment of Treloar and Grundy doesn’t enhance our aim of becoming a destination club.

It’s not rocket science mate.

 

[No SPIN]

The players aren't livestock. They're aware of their surroundings, the landscape, the concept of cause and effect.

They know (a) that our list management from a few years ago continues to have ripple effects, and (b) that Grundy's contract was a mistake which exacerbated the situation.

The circumstances and chemistry which engender the loyalty of players to club and to each other are more complex than these anomalies.

It’s exactly these anomalies that can cause disquiet that need to be avoided.
If a player can’t trust the Club will honour their contractual obligations, then loyalty is pointless.

 

[magpies42]

No contract has a clause insisting PEAK performance must be maintained for the term of the contract.

So it’s the club that’s not honoring the contract, not Grundy.
And there is no reason to believe Grundy can’t get back to great form, given how McCrae has reinvigorated many on the list.

This has got nothing to do with free agency.

Your argument makes sense if you take the world as written in a contract, the reality however is very different.

You sign a deal that makes you the most highly paid player in the competition, you do so with the understanding that you contribute more than most…up there with the best. If your form diminishes so drastically, not catastrophically, that you are no longer in the top handful within your team and probably just scrapping in the top 100 in the league then you have nobody else to blame but your underperforming self.

I agree that his form could return, and likely will..which is why I was more in favour of him taking a pay cut and staying. And it is indeed free agency that has caused all this, clubs fear losing players to free agency so they sign them for bigger sums and on longer contracts.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

A club’s best player, should be their highest paid player in most cases.
It won’t sit well with others if he’s not worth his salary. Geoff Hayward knows all about that.

 

[stormskye]

Your argument makes sense if you take the world as written in a contract, the reality however is very different.

You sign a deal that makes you the most highly paid player in the competition, you do so with the understanding that you contribute more than most…up there with the best. If your form diminishes so drastically, not catastrophically, that you are no longer in the top handful within your team and probably just scrapping in the top 100 in the league then you have nobody else to blame but your underperforming self.

I agree that his form could return, and likely will..which is why I was more in favour of him taking a pay cut and staying. And it is indeed free agency that has caused all this, clubs fear losing players to free agency so they sign them for bigger sums and on longer contracts.

He hasn’t been down on form for a couple of months…. It’s 4 years….. Stevo coincidentally played amazing football in 2018 and 19 as well. Josh Thomas even did…. Is Stevo going to repeat that form out of the blue? Or continue his current form?

 

[sr36]

He hasn’t been down on form for a couple of months…. It’s 4 years….. Stevo coincidentally played amazing football in 2018 and 19 as well. Josh Thomas even did…. Is Stevo going to repeat that form out of the blue? Or continue his current form?

3 years. Slightly less, as he played a blinder against the Dogs in round 1 2020 before covid hit. Perhaps he has long covid?

 

[magpies42]

He hasn’t been down on form for a couple of months…. It’s 4 years….. Stevo coincidentally played amazing football in 2018 and 19 as well. Josh Thomas even did…. Is Stevo going to repeat that form out of the blue? Or continue his current form?

Stevo is a spud that has been found out, so he’ll never get close to his 500k contract value in terms of form…

Brodie is a workhorse who can quite easily get back to his best just by winning the ball…he controls it at the source. Stevo is a soft outside player reliant on others and a game plan to make him effective. If he has an impact, teams will easily shit him down with some ‘treatment’. One has good character the other doesn’t…we really can’t be comparing Stevo and Grundy surely.

Plenty of players in all sports manage to turn it around, Grundy has the ability, character and work ethic to make it happen.

 

[sr36]

Stevo is a spud that has been found out, so he’ll never get close to his 500k contract value in terms of form…

Brodie is a workhorse who can quite easily get back to his best just by winning the ball…he controls it at the source. Stevo is a soft outside player reliant on others and a game plan to make him effective. If he has an impact, teams will easily s**t him down with some ‘treatment’. One has good character the other doesn’t…we really can’t be comparing Stevo and Grundy surely.

Plenty of players in all sports manage to turn it around, Grundy has the ability, character and work ethic to make it happen.

The thing is, I don't think he can get back to his best - not with us anyway. His around the ground game, where he added an extra dimension to other rucks in that he used to get involved on the spread, just isn't suited to our frenetic style. He can do that in a slow ball movement game plan, but he's just not someone you want receiving and executing on the fly. In our style, he's just not someone you want playing around the ground the way he used to.

 

[magpies42]

The thing is, I don't think he can get back to his best - not with us anyway. His around the ground game, where he added an extra dimension to other rucks in that he used to get involved on the spread, just isn't suited to our frenetic style. He can do that in a slow ball movement game plan, but he's just not someone you want receiving and executing on the fly. In our style, he's just not someone you want playing around the ground the way he used to.

Frenetic or otherwise, winning the ball and hacking it forward is his one wood. Buckley also played a high tempo game…agree though that he will be better served at another club. I think the contract pressure and Collingwood scrutiny got to him.