List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[The Inbetweener]

21, F1 and maybe a sweetener - like upgrading your future 4th for the cats or GWS second rounder should get it done too, if we can’t upgrade 21.

You guys won’t send him to the PSD for nothing, chances are no other team will take him and he falls to us anyway, no one wants him against his will. That would just be so embarrassing and demoralising for you guys.

Hell end up a Lion what ever way you look at it, worst case we wait 12 months and get him for free.

The PSD move teaches no one anything the Dogs know this - it would be a decision made out of anger. We won’t care and it won’t help future negotiations - it sends a really poor cultural message to the players still on the list.

It’ll get done for either your suggestion or something close to what I proposed above.

Yeah I agree with your suggestion. Something like that. As I say, now that you have acquired the points you need, the negotiations should really open up.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Good to see Mofras overpolicing of the drafts and trading Dunkley thread is working. Can only assume he handed out dozens of infractions last night

 

[spotthedog1]

Most are saying we’ll need to package 30 and 39 for a pick in the 20s for Lobb.

It’s unlikely we’d accept 21 when you have future 2nds (late ones) that don’t impact your need for points that you can package up with 21 to get back in the 1st round. The trade would be pretty simple after that.

Just as an aside, we have an extra future second, but given the possibility of a deficit next year, we're probably keen to hold that as insurance. We have a great draft ahead this year, but we are unlikely to want to take 3x 4th rounders next year because our picks got pushed back.

I reckon 23R1 and 21 would get it done right now, but I think we might be angling for points back. You want 2 R1s, and get an R1 and very early R2 and its hard to call that a ripoff on an uncontracted player.

The PSD threat is fun, but never happens. No club is going to forego a first and very early second just to dig their heels in. In our dark days, we got bent over a few times and wouldn't forego a pick in the 30s just to make a point...

That said, if he did end up PSD, I'm sure someone would take him before us. If he enters the draft he goes where he's drafted. And a club will back their culture to convince him. He wasn't keen on Brisbane 12 months ago - who knows what he'll feel in 12 months' time.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Just as an aside, we have an extra future second, but given the possibility of a deficit next year, we're probably keen to hold that as insurance. We have a great draft ahead this year, but we are unlikely to want to take 3x 4th rounders next year because our picks got pushed back.

I reckon 23R1 and 21 would get it done right now, but I think we might be angling for points back. You want 2 R1s, and get an R1 and very early R2 and its hard to call that a ripoff on an uncontracted player.

The PSD threat is fun, but never happens. No club is going to forego a first and very early second just to dig their heels in. In our dark days, we got bent over a few times and wouldn't forego a pick in the 30s just to make a point...

That said, if he did end up PSD, I'm sure someone would take him before us. If he enters the draft he goes where he's drafted. And a club will back their culture to convince him. He wasn't keen on Brisbane 12 months ago - who knows what he'll feel in 12 months' time.

I think if the basis of the deal is F1 & 21, it will get done for sure. We’ll say it’s a bit lite, you guys might hold firm etc.

The anxiousness from Dogs fans and the PSD threat came about on reports that you are only willing to trade your F1 or F1 & 21 with 30 & 39 coming back. So if that’s no longer the case given you have now acquired the right amount of points, there shouldn’t be any dramas.

Anyway I’ll jump off your board. Nice to have a bit of reasonable dialogue though

 

[lioninthesand]

I think if the basis of the deal is F1 & 21, it will get done for sure. We’ll say it’s a bit lite, you guys might hold firm etc.

The anxiousness from Dogs fans and the PSD threat came about on reports that you are only willing to trade your F1 or F1 & 21 with 30 & 39 coming back. So if that’s no longer the case given you have now acquired the right amount of points, there shouldn’t be any dramas.

Anyway I’ll jump off your board. Nice to have a bit of reasonable dialogue though

Cheers for the input, it’s been good. I think most of us have been pretty realistic from the jump. First and future 1st is market rate, we are about a 4 or 5 pick upgrade from that, just seems some Dogs fans forgot that trade week is 95% posturing up until the last day and completely lost their collective nerve thinking our first move was us playing showing our last hand.

Some of the explosive anger has been way OTT, it sucks losing good players (we’ve all been there) but that’s the modern game.

You take 2 good picks and go and find yourselves the next Dunkley, Naughton or McCrae - keep loading up.

 

[beatnik]

Anyone else getting ridiculous infractions from Mofra on the drafts and trading board looking after his fellow bulldog supporters?

Not yet but he has been a complete douche lord…mad troll

 

[Maverick]

Certainly hard to predict. I feel like there is more flexibility now that you guys have been able to turn 15 into a heap of points, so now you have enough points to cover bids even if you trade out 21 (stand corrected on that).

That’s where the negotiations are most likely at now, F1 and 21 with us wanting more to get 21 closer to what we initially asked for and both walk away happy.

The Lions currently have 3621 points.
If pick 21 is traded to the Bulldogs this pick is worth 878 points.
This leaves us with 2743.
Assuming Ashcroft did go pick 1, this costs 2400 points (3000 less 20% discount).
Leaves us with 343 points.
Needing points for Fletcher, this is why we are keen on Bulldogs pick 30 and 39. Otherwise looking to go into deficit using 2023 picks.

 

[briztoon]

GWS maybe?

What’s their motivation?

If you have to throw in “maybe”, then you really need to look deeper in to why any club you name would consider such a deal.

 

[beatnik]

I get that if someone if someone is deliberately posting inflammatory content. But in my opinion it’s a bit of a toxic mindset to allow posters to abuse other posters just because it’s their own board.

Nah, I’m fine with hometown mods packing and wielding some heat #regulate

 

[Warwick]

Incredible work by Dom and his team to turn our mediocre draft hand into a massive points haul and an extra F2. Was always going to be the case, but I didn’t think he’d be that effective. You don’t trade out your only valuable assets on D1.

Now we’ve got our points surely this trade will be ticked off pretty quickly. If we can still secure Ashcroft and Fletcher and send 21, F1 and F2 for Dunkley, happy days.

You can sense the opposing anger is very slowly evaporating. There are still few hellbent on “walking him to the PSD” as if that’s even a thing. They’re now on to how they will be a better team minus Dunkley and his glacial ball movement…

This entire process should be preserved example of every trade negotiation (history and upcoming). But I know when we get to next year, it’ll go round in the same circles once again.

 

[mpal6]

Incredible work by Dom and his team to turn our mediocre draft hand into a massive points haul and an extra F2. Was always going to be the case, but I didn’t think he’d be that effective. You don’t trade out the only valuable assets on D1.

Now we’ve got our points surely this trade will be ticked off pretty quickly. If we can still secure Ashcroft and Fletcher and send 21, F1 and F2 for Dunkley happy days.

You can sense the opposing anger is very slowly evaporating. They’re now on to how they will be a better team minus Dunkley and his glacial ball movement…

They were just cranky that their deal wasn't prioritized according to their terms on D1.

Once we knew they're not going to help with points - which is perfectly fine - there is no way we were going to do that deal first.

 

[Warwick]

They were just cranky that their deal wasn't prioritized according to their terms on D1.

Once we knew they're not going to help with points - which is perfectly fine - there is no way we were going to do that deal first.

You don’t give up your only valuable trade assets D1. Anyone with an idea as to how trading works understands that.

We wouldn’t have been close to being able to match Ashcroft if that was the case.

Any other club in our situation would have done the exact same.

 

[JasRulz63]

I think if the basis of the deal is F1 & 21, it will get done for sure. We’ll say it’s a bit lite, you guys might hold firm etc.

The anxiousness from Dogs fans and the PSD threat came about on reports that you are only willing to trade your F1 or F1 & 21 with 30 & 39 coming back. So if that’s no longer the case given you have now acquired the right amount of points, there shouldn’t be any dramas.

Anyway I’ll jump off your board. Nice to have a bit of reasonable dialogue though

I'm not sure there's been reports of us wanting picks back in the 30s for F1 and 21, that was when we had F1 and 15 with not much else.

Despite the angst amongst supporters, if you step back at look at the negotiations:

- Brisbane make an offer of their two most valuable trade assets, but want picks back to ensure we have enough points for F/S-

- Bulldogs say no (reasonably so)

- Instead of standing firm on the offer, Brisbane went away and accumulated the points we require (without needing it from the Dogs) while also not decreasing the value of our best assets too much (15 to 21, kept our FR1)

Brisbane will now re-present an offer that I suspect asks for less back (because we've got it elsewhere).

 

[briztoon]

Bolded bit is a good point. If no club offers anything to move up for Giants, they may be open to moving it to next year for our future first.

Like 15 + 18 for a future first and one of the future seconds may be. They may get some crazy offer for 19, being the first pick of second night - so there'll be interest to hang on to it.

Dogs can have their 2 firsts for Dunkley + 39 and a victory lap too lol.

You can’t trade a pick back to a team you got it directly from, in a previous trade.

So GWS could trade us 18 and 19 for our future first and second round picks.

Then we send 18, 19 and 21 to the Bulldogs.

 

[mpal6]

You can’t trade a pick back to a team you got it directly from, in a previous trade.

So GWS could trade us 18 and 19 for our future first and second round picks.

Then we send 18, 19 and 21 to the Bulldogs.

Interesting, forgot about that one. May have to do it in some sort of three-way or four-way deal then.

I better drop a note to Tom Browne about a mega deal looming between GWS, Brisbane, Dogs and Dockers. He'll be chuffed.

EDIT: oh, if they want 18+19 aaand 21, then they better pony up Dunkley+30+39. I wasn't planning on giving 21 at all if I'm sending 15 and 18.

 

[The Inbetweener]

What’s their motivation?

If you have to throw in “maybe”, then you really need to look deeper in to why any club you name would consider such a deal.

My theory was that they might be willing to drop back a few spots this year if it means securing a future pick with a late 2nd.
I know I’d certainly be happy for my team to do that if we had 5 picks in the top 19 this year like GWS do.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I think if the basis of the deal is F1 & 21, it will get done for sure. We’ll say it’s a bit lite, you guys might hold firm etc.

The anxiousness from Dogs fans and the PSD threat came about on reports that you are only willing to trade your F1 or F1 & 21 with 30 & 39 coming back. So if that’s no longer the case given you have now acquired the right amount of points, there shouldn’t be any dramas.

Anyway I’ll jump off your board. Nice to have a bit of reasonable dialogue though

The deal appears to be centered around those two picks, as they’re the only picks we haven’t look to offload during the past week.

If the Dogs were set on 15 + F1 we would have needed those pick back, however chasing Lobb means you had to leave some meat on the bone for us to be in a position to match Ashcroft, who would be an equal priority to Dunkley.

Any talk of us wanting that type of haul is/was media hype, also makes the final acceptance a lot easier for the supporter bases. Most Dog fan initially wanted more than 15 + F1, a lot on here have soften there stance thinking they’ve clawed back 30,39 and F2. The reality is both parties knew where this deal was headed a long time ago, sells that the team made the absolute best out of a bad situation.

 

[spotthedog1]

My guess for final deal:

Dogs get: 21, F1, 55, F3 (Bris)
We get: Dunkley, 30, F3 (WB)

 

[countryVicLion]

Probably not the right spot for this, but further to the Danny Daly interview on Trade Radio the other day, just saw this announcement from East Keilor FC about Lockie Rayner joining our VFL team.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02NBCpPTSabQhzFH8V3wdqSXebHFYaB8ppH93QkPVDfxnHspM6KBDGYFYqyEZAtjDwl&id=100063827641786

Yes saw that and big Lockie is a lot taller than Cam, the boys are close so Cams here for a longtime ahead loves the club. Lockie is a bit of an untapped talent who knows only a few years older than Cam


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[Hollow Knight]

Wonder if Cam’s folks will move up.

 

[Section 5]

We can only hope that a reasonable number of trade will take place on Monday
Going on the main BF board there is likely 30 plus trades in total to be completed.
If that number eventuates a lot of trades to process in 3 days. Hopefully not just on the last day
Trades close on Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

I am sure the media & BF community would like to talk about actual trades instead of speculation

 

[Saucery]

Good to see Mofras overpolicing of the drafts and trading Dunkley thread is working. Can only assume he handed out dozens of infractions last night

 

[briztoon]

Interesting, forgot about that one. May have to do it in some sort of three-way or four-way deal then.

I better drop a note to Tom Browne about a mega deal looming between GWS, Brisbane, Dogs and Dockers. He'll be chuffed.

EDIT: oh, if they want 18+19 aaand 21, then they better pony up Dunkley+30+39. I wasn't planning on giving 21 at all if I'm sending 15 and 18.

15 is not in play. It’s long gone and not coming back (at this stage).

My trade was F1 & F2 to the Giants for 18 & 19.

We can then send 18, 19 & 21 to Bulldogs for Dunkley, and 39 coming back our way seems reasonable.

 

[Saucery]

Incredible work by Dom and his team to turn our mediocre draft hand into a massive points haul and an extra F2. Was always going to be the case, but I didn’t think he’d be that effective. You don’t trade out your only valuable assets on D1.

Now we’ve got our points surely this trade will be ticked off pretty quickly. If we can still secure Ashcroft and Fletcher and send 21, F1 and F2 for Dunkley, happy days.

You can sense the opposing anger is very slowly evaporating. There are still few hellbent on “walking him to the PSD” as if that’s even a thing. They’re now on to how they will be a better team minus Dunkley and his glacial ball movement…

This entire process should be preserved example of every trade negotiation (history and upcoming). But I know when we get to next year, it’ll go round in the same circles once again.

Nice to see your avatars grown into a cockney spiv instead of a mummy's boy, old boy .

 

[jfn]

My guess for final deal:

Dogs get: 21, F1, 55, F3 (Bris)
We get: Dunkley, 30, F3 (WB)

Not bad. This could be close to the final deal.

My guess is that there will be that last minute flurry of trades and swaps.
I see Brisbane accumulating more point, and possibly trading out a couple of players.
Mathieson may attract some interest, and maybe Cockatoo or Sharp.
It‘s a shame Port seem to be getting Ratugolea. He would have been a handy backup swingman for Brisbane. I think he could have been picked up for a high 30 or low 40 pick.