List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I've said for ages that Doogs isn't a FB. All his best work was at CHB where he could go 3rd man up and then run off and launch 60m cannonballs inside 50 knowing that he had Brown/Carlisle/Frawley/Joyce behind him.

Now that Battle has taken that interceptor role Doogs has been left a little out of place.

McKay seems... fine.

I would have loved Jack Payne but with Adams and Gardner down at the Lions I think he's gonna cement himself at FB and stay there long term.

Hoping JVE can be that guy sooner rather than later. A Zac Dawson 'outta nowhere' type promotion next year would be fine with me.

Would certainly be worth giving Van Es a taste of senior footy at some stage this year. He has the athleticism and size to be our big brute FB.

Start getting games into him so SOS isn't tempted by an injury prone $800kPA McKay.

Happy to throw cash at Parish as a free agent... he'd be fantastic finishing off the work of the ball pigs inside.

Take our picks to the draft.

Re-sign Gresh if he's happy to be paid based on his output not his potential.

Be active in the trade market (players out, picks in)

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

I hope we aren’t waiting that long until we are contending again

King is almost 23, he’s coming into his best years. Mids don’t take near as long as key forwards so there shouldn’t be any reason why Owens, Pou and Windy can’t be having big impacts at 22 years old.

Maybe we could be the swans from last year and have a bunch of 18-22 year olds and then 1-2 old blokes like Steele/crouch

 

[puppy_dog7]

How long have we needed high end quality mids. Here’s food for thought, I’ve always been against paying overs for established players and hitting the draft. Until recently that hasn‘t worked that well, would we have been better of to have paid the two firsts price and got a gun mid.

Should our real target at the GC be Anderson ?.

How you gonna get Anderson when he's contracted til 2027? Would love him, but not happening.

Draft is what we need to prioritise this year.

Bring in a McKay/Himmelberg to replace Dougs and give us a bit of extra coverage down back and look at finding a diamond in the rough type who fills a need like a Ben Keays for Adelaide or Will Brodie for Freo. Not a perennially injured type like Zak Jones/Dan Hannebery.

 

[The_Steadier]

Real talk. Is Steele going to be in our next flag team? We might have to wait until Windy, Owens, Pou and king are in their actual prime at 26 years old and a couple young stars below them.

If steele isn't a part of our next flag then most of the current team isnt because they are all his age or older.

If steele is too old, then so are:

Wilkie
Sinclair
Marshall
Gresh
etc etc etc...

Ie- our entire team minus king, battle and the teenagers basically.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

If steele isn't a part of our next flag then most of the current team isnt because they are all his age or older.

If steele is too old, then so are:

Wilkie
Sinclair
Marshall
Gresh
etc etc etc...

Ie- our entire team minus king, battle and the teenagers basically.

Marshall might be because he’s less replaceable than Steele who might be pushed out by Owens windy Pou by the time he’s 30+.

If they’re in their prime and there’s a new Owens who’s breaking down the door at age 19 then he’s playing at sandy

 

[my name was taken]

If steele isn't a part of our next flag then most of the current team isnt because they are all his age or older.

If steele is too old, then so are:

Wilkie
Sinclair
Marshall
Gresh
etc etc etc...

Ie- our entire team minus king, battle and the teenagers basically.

The 25 and under bracket, a few are no chance, some project players that hopefully make the grade, and some fringe that may be at their talent ceiling.

But if Battle is your cutoff point there are 12 players getting regular game so not all doom and gloom + a couple injured, and I'm hopeful on VanEs and Hotton. Keeler hopefully takes off as well.

Wouldn't mind finding some players in the King age so we hopefully have players peaking at the right time, if the current squad can't make a deep finals push by 2025 I think whats there now is not too bad for a quick turnaround rebuild

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[jh38]

I think the coaches had a fair bit to do with that. Clark played midfield round one 2021 and played extremely well. Then for some odd reason we barely saw him play midfield after that. Injuries have obviously played a massive role in his development too.

I’m not sure looking at our squad is a great example though. We have been unable to develop well for a long time. I’d prefer to look at what other clubs have been able to do and hope we strive for that.

Most of the best mids in the comp were playing very good football in the midfield by 21/22.

Hopefully Lyon looks at the potential these kids have and starts introducing them into there a bit more. We saw it happen early but we seem to have gone away from that over the last few weeks and have gone back to backing the older brigade.

Yea hopefully Ross backs them in. I’m sick of seeing us take the cautious approach to developing the kids. Throw them in the deep end and let them grow; that’s what every other team has done.


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[Ephemeral Hope]

Yea hopefully Ross backs them in. I’m sick of seeing us take the cautious approach to developing the kids. Throw them in the deep end and let them grow; that’s what every other team has done.


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Yep. Play the kids AND win is the way to go. Don’t play the kids and lose like north though

 

[Joffaboy]

We might as well have traded, Harvey, Reiwoldt, Lenny, etc as they weren't part of our next flag either.
I hate this facile analogy.

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[FootyMaster11]

We might as well have traded, Harvey, Reiwoldt, Lenny, etc as they weren't part of our next flag either.
I hate this facile analogy.

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The only senior players that I would be willing to trade and move on from would be

Gresh: Hasn't played much over the last 3 years due to injury, would be one of the only players on the list that another team would be willing to pay a big contract to, and whilst his best is very good, if he could get close to a top 10-15 pick, then I would be happy moving him on

Membrey: If we are serious about getting B King then don't see how he fits, and would rather try Caminiti as the third tall tbh

Marshall: this one was 50/50 for me, however, if another team was willing to pay overs and then we could use those pics for Darcy then would consider

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

The only senior players that I would be willing to trade and move on from would be

Gresh: Hasn't played much over the last 3 years due to injury, would be one of the only players on the list that another team would be willing to pay a big contract to, and whilst his best is very good, if he could get close to a top 10-15 pick, then I would be happy moving him on

Membrey: If we are serious about getting B King then don't see how he fits, and would rather try Caminiti as the third tall tbh

Marshall: this one was 50/50 for me, however, if another team was willing to pay overs and then we could use those pics for Darcy then would consider

You simply do not trade out heart & soul players like Membrey & Marshall.

 

[Bevoman]

You simply do not trade out heart & soul players like Membrey & Marshall.

If you want something good you need to give up something good.
Miles Bergman is a Sandy boy who is flying at Port.
Out of contarct at year end, would Marshall or SA Wanageneem-Milera be a far trade.

 

[Sun Ra]

If you want something good you need to give up something good.
Miles Bergman is a Sandy boy who is flying at Port.
Out of contarct at year end, would Marshall or SA Wanageneem-Milera be a far trade.

I have filed that one under "totally insane".

 

[saintkildaman]

If you want something good you need to give up something good.
Miles Bergman is a Sandy boy who is flying at Port.
Out of contarct at year end, would Marshall or SA Wanageneem-Milera be a far trade.

Marshall or NVM lol. As you said he’s out of contract, if he requests a trade you’ll get a 2nd rounder max

 

[botts]

If you want something good you need to give up something good.
Miles Bergman is a Sandy boy who is flying at Port.
Out of contarct at year end, would Marshall or SA Wanageneem-Milera be a far trade.

Out of contract so you loose most of your bargaining power that way. Maybe a late first

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If you want something good you need to give up something good.
Miles Bergman is a Sandy boy who is flying at Port.
Out of contarct at year end, would Marshall or SA Wanageneem-Milera be a far trade.

Very true... that proposal is a very far trade.

Far-koff to be more accurate.

 

[SteeleSaints]

I agree. I dont think he is an improvement or worth the extra he would cost.

As maligned as Dougal is, we've been so strong as a backline this year that unless it is a Sam Taylor/Darcy Moore level of defender, I don't think paying big money for a full back (which is what reports are saying McKay would cost) is the best use of our current salary cap with the midfield and forward line needing more improvement overall.

We can still go to the draft and take the required kids - elite midfielders with the early pick/s.

Offer Carlton a late 2nd round pick for TDK.

Chase McKay if that releases Dougal to play higher up the ground, McKay is stronger in one on one contests. Battle can play the Wilkie role and Wilkie take take the medium forwards. Parish would be a free hit also apart from $$$ which we should have plenty of. If Gresham leaves then we lose the compensation, but I think Parish is a much better midfielder.

If we dont have the cap then Hill takes a significant hair cut on his original contract and spread it over more years.

I am confident the current kids on our list that havent played AFL will all make decent players - Keeler, Van Es, Adams, Hotton, McLennan, Heath perhaps even Peris, but we desparately need dynamic midfielders. Hopefully RTB realises that after last week and plays Windhager for the remainder.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

You simply do not trade out heart & soul players like Membrey & Marshall.

Happens all the time?

 

[Sun Ra]

We can still go to the draft and take the required kids - elite midfielders with the early pick/s.

Offer Carlton a late 2nd round pick for TDK.

Chase McKay if that releases Dougal to play higher up the ground, McKay is stronger in one on one contests. Battle can play the Wilkie role and Wilkie take take the medium forwards. Parish would be a free hit also apart from $$$ which we should have plenty of. If Gresham leaves then we lose the compensation, but I think Parish is a much better midfielder.

If we dont have the cap then Hill takes a significant hair cut on his original contract and spread it over more years.

I am confident the current kids on our list that havent played AFL will all make decent players - Keeler, Van Es, Adams, Hotton, McLennan, Heath perhaps even Peris, but we desparately need dynamic midfielders. Hopefully RTB realises that after last week and plays Windhager for the remainder.

As if ........

 

[bergholt]

You simply do not trade out heart & soul players like Membrey & Marshall.

Who falls into the category of "heart and soul players"?

 

[Yawkey way]

How you gonna get Anderson when he's contracted til 2027? Would love him, but not happening.

Draft is what we need to prioritise this year.

Bring in a McKay/Himmelberg to replace Dougs and give us a bit of extra coverage down back and look at finding a diamond in the rough type who fills a need like a Ben Keays for Adelaide or Will Brodie for Freo. Not a perennially injured type like Zak Jones/Dan Hannebery.

I don’t expect to, I’m just musing on what we need and how to get it. If we play finals this year as I expect then who will be there at our pick. Maybe we get lucky and the sort of mid we need is there but what do you do if we’re outside the gun mids and in the sweet spot for half back flankers.

I assume St Kilda would be looking to improve or at least back up this years finish so once again we’re nowhere near the early picks and gun mids. With that in mind the question is two first round best available or if you can attract an A grade mid would you give up those picks to get them in the door.

Personally I’m hitting the draft but I’m also aware that the last great mids we had are in the coaches box Imo.

 

[bird_man]

If you want something good you need to give up something good.
Miles Bergman is a Sandy boy who is flying at Port.
Out of contarct at year end, would Marshall or SA Wanageneem-Milera be a far trade.

Don’t remember Port having to give up a player for JHF

 

[crasha301]

Who falls into the category of "heart and soul players"?

I'd trade anybody if it makes us a better team.

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[ScrappyDo]

I hope we aren’t waiting that long until we are contending again

King is almost 23, he’s coming into his best years. Mids don’t take near as long as key forwards so there shouldn’t be any reason why Owens, Pou and Windy can’t be having big impacts at 22 years old.

I honestly think that's not such a worry. Our list re-rebuild has been centered around King since he was drafted and our age demographic is right to maximize output during his prime years with some generational overlap.
We need to go hard at FA mids right now though.

 

[sammm]

Or probably like Dunstan. I spoke to my brother who follows the Blues and he said he's looking better this season. He's shitty that he's not getting a game over a few who have dropped off this year. Not sure if he's just wanting to rage-whinge though. It's a family trait.

Isn't this his third and final year of his contract? If so, wonder if he will get another one.