List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[tomjoad]

But been a total waste on the Dogs side too

Yep. He was close to having an "almost" season with the dogs one year, he was top 3 in the goal kicking I think, before going down with injury. He's been miles off it since.
He's an average player that works hard when he wants to, wit the potential to go large at times...but other than that meh! Not a massive loss to us, & not a massive gain for them.

 

[tomjoad]

So much for our year of exploration.
Have the coaches been seduced by our early wins into thinking about finals instead and fallen back into the comfort zone and relative safety of our experienced players?

Would be odd considering it was all our youngsters who actually helped get us in this position in the first place.

Im really keen to see players like Windy and Bytel get full games , mostly in the midfield to help their development and see what we’ve got.

This...exactly. Seduced by the same experienced players that have been mired in mediocrity their whole careers and have taken us to the lofty heights on average of 10th to 14th.

 

[hayes]

I might be in the minority here, but I think Hunter has the potential to be that mid we need. If you look at all the goals we've kicked in the past month, you'll notice that him and Pou have both had a fair hand in most of those goals. He's currently sitting at 33% CBA, yet he's 4th on our list for clearances. I reckon he's primed to have a massive back half of the season if we give him the keys to the city.

Spot on. I remember saying it after round 1 2021 when he was silk in the wet against GWS, he’s our Dal Santo. I was a bit concerned over the off-season that maybe he didn’t want it enough but I’m back to 100% faith that he could be exactly what we need.

 

[bird_man]

I don't want to lose Membrey either. I think he's been a very solid contributor, and has form over several years, but you just never know when a new coaching and recruitment group comes in. There's usually a few flies in the ointment, and some eyebrow raising decisions. As for the Bruce deal, I similarly thought we were royally screwed. I thought we'd get a late first for him...a regular 40+ goal kicking forward and tall target. They don't grow on trees. I forget what the return was, but I was very surprised. I know we got Jones or whatever out of it...but it wasn't a good deal, and definitely hasn't worked out the way we'd hoped.

The shining light out of that deal may be Ryan Byrnes

I doubt the Dogs are that happy about Bruce

 

[BrutThough]

So much for our year of exploration.
Have the coaches been seduced by our early wins into thinking about finals instead and fallen back into the comfort zone and relative safety of our experienced players?

Would be odd considering it was all our youngsters who actually helped get us in this position in the first place.

Im really keen to see players like Windy and Bytel get full games , mostly in the midfield to help their development and see what we’ve got.

I doubt it. Which experienced player has come into the side recently apart from Membrey? The side has barely changed for 9 rounds.

 

[Joffaboy]

I can't wait to get a look at the stallions we take with picks 77, 78, 79, 80, 81 & 82.

Didn't even need picks for Wood, Stocker, Wilkie, Sharman, Marshall and Sinclair.

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[gringo2011]

Didn't even need picks for Wood, Stocker, Wilkie, Sharman, Marshall and Sinclair.

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This is the thing, we got so used to making terrible choices in the draft that we keep banging on about how it doesn't matter because we have got some good rookies.

It's like saying you can waste your wage on gambling because you get $100 a week out of a trust fund. It's not a model to build a list. Most other sides don't get masses of rookies in because they have a best 22 made up predominantly from the draft.

We have found a few that fell through the cracks but it's actually a sign that there were major issues in our drafting system. Hats off to who ever was picking out of the secondary pathways though. Toce later at least seemed to be picking guys like Wilkie and Sharman.

Luckily the drafting seems to have improved under Toce. Still think we screwed up majorly by trying to top up to play finals before we had built the foundations in the draft. At least we have a coach that can maximise the talent available and post Max King the kids look a lot better.

 

[Yawkey way]

I might be in the minority here, but I think Hunter has the potential to be that mid we need. If you look at all the goals we've kicked in the past month, you'll notice that him and Pou have both had a fair hand in most of those goals. He's currently sitting at 33% CBA, yet he's 4th on our list for clearances. I reckon he's primed to have a massive back half of the season if we give him the keys to the city.

Absolutely I always miss someone, I really rate hunter Clark and he’s definitely another option. I prefer him to be more outside as I rate his decision making and delivery as up there with Sinclair. I couldn’t believe we were happy to let him walk and I still can’t, the kid gets his face smashed in and everyone jumps on him. Mind you Steele is getting little love for playing hurt and membrey needs to be dropped and traded .

 

[The Punter]

Lyon likes a small group of players he can trust. He's always been this way. We shouldn't be surprised he's used so few this season, coupled with so many being unavailable long-term. But he needs to get King and probably Billings into the team this week (two who haven't played).

 

[#gosaintas]

Lyon likes a small group of players he can trust. He's always been this way. We shouldn't be surprised he's used so few this season, coupled with so many being unavailable long-term. But he needs to get King and probably Billings into the team this week (two who haven't played).

plus Windy and Webster

 

[Yawkey way]

Didn't even need picks for Wood, Stocker, Wilkie, Sharman, Marshall and Sinclair.

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Despite watching guys through high school and college, having so many scouts it’s crazy plus drafting players years older than the afl I think about 30% of nfl players are undrafted free agents. There are plenty of talented players outside of the afl as demonstrated by the players you’ve listed. I might add caminiti and o’donnell both played on the weekend and again cost nothing.

 

[Joffaboy]

This is the thing, we got so used to making terrible choices in the draft that we keep banging on about how it doesn't matter because we have got some good rookies.

It's like saying you can waste your wage on gambling because you get $100 a week out of a trust fund. It's not a model to build a list. Most other sides don't get masses of rookies in because they have a best 22 made up predominantly from the draft.

We have found a few that fell through the cracks but it's actually a sign that there were major issues in our drafting system. Hats off to who ever was picking out of the secondary pathways though. Toce later at least seemed to be picking guys like Wilkie and Sharman.

Luckily the drafting seems to have improved under Toce. Still think we screwed up majorly by trying to top up to play finals before we had built the foundations in the draft. At least we have a coach that can maximise the talent available and post Max King the kids look a lot better.

What terrible choices have we made at the draft since 2017? Clark and Coff? Max and Bytel? Byrnes? Allison certainly, NWM Owens and Windy? Pou?

I mean how far are we going to go back? the 2017 goals v Richmond R16 popped up on my Youtube feed last night, and there was hardly a player that is still on the list.
I think we need to get over Billings v Bont, and McCartin v Petracca etc. that was a decade ago

 

[The Punter]

plus Windy and Webster

I was deliberately only mentioning players yet to play a senior game this year.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Happens all the time?

Nah

Who falls into the category of "heart and soul players"?

Membrey & Marshall

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Im guessing not dal santo
Traded him out amd he couldve been another 300 gamer under one club.

Good enough for dal, good enough for some on the list now

We were at a very different point when Dal & BJ were shown the door.

And how well did that work in retrospect?

 

[Sully111]

So much for our year of exploration.
Have the coaches been seduced by our early wins into thinking about finals instead and fallen back into the comfort zone and relative safety of our experienced players?

Would be odd considering it was all our youngsters who actually helped get us in this position in the first place.

Im really keen to see players like Windy and Bytel get full games , mostly in the midfield to help their development and see what we’ve got.

I feel like we're being far too safe with selection and player positions.

It's disappointing

 

[PoppedCorn]

We were at a very different point when Dal & BJ were shown the door.

And how well did that work in retrospect?

We traded a near on 250(?) gamer
And we say members is untouchable
I’m saying he isn’t no matter if circumstances are diff
But if it only gets us a mid 30 pick it’s not worth it imo
I’ve being saying trade him but 30 odd isn’t enough
Maybe some kinda 3 way might be better, dunno

 

[The Punter]

The "trade an established star" argument on this thread so far completely ignores where we are in the list build now compared to 2013.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We traded a near on 250(?) gamer
And we say members is untouchable
I’m saying he isn’t no matter if circumstances are diff
But if it only gets us a mid 30 pick it’s not worth it imo
I’ve being saying trade him but 30 odd isn’t enough
Maybe some kinda 3 way might be better, dunno

Skunk isn't going to get traded.

Roma isn't going to get traded.

Let's deal with possibilities rather than decide to arbitrarily ship out blokes because they've had a few average games.

As Punter said, in 2012/2013 we made rubbish decisions so we could get draft picks in to start a rebuild.

We're not in that same situation now.

 

[puppy_dog7]

We traded a near on 250(?) gamer
And we say members is untouchable
I’m saying he isn’t no matter if circumstances are diff
But if it only gets us a mid 30 pick it’s not worth it imo
I’ve being saying trade him but 30 odd isn’t enough
Maybe some kinda 3 way might be better, dunno

The only untouchables for me are:
King
Pou
Owens
Windy
Nas
Steele
Sincs
Wilkie

 

[gringo2011]

Absolutely I always miss someone, I really rate hunter Clark and he’s definitely another option. I prefer him to be more outside as I rate his decision making and delivery as up there with Sinclair. I couldn’t believe we were happy to let him walk and I still can’t, the kid gets his face smashed in and everyone jumps on him. Mind you Steele is getting little love for playing hurt and membrey needs to be dropped and traded .

Im the opposite on Clark, has to play on the inside because his speed and spread are poor but his work inside is elite. His clean hands are his best trait and he will still be able to get into the play outside of the centre. His kicking inside 50 is brilliant though.

 

[gringo2011]

Yep. He was close to having an "almost" season with the dogs one year, he was top 3 in the goal kicking I think, before going down with injury. He's been miles off it since.
He's an average player that works hard when he wants to, wit the potential to go large at times...but other than that meh! Not a massive loss to us, & not a massive gain for them.

Bruce had one great year when they played him as a pure KPF but did his knee ( the year they made the GF). Was right up the top of the Coleman ladder that year. They ended up finding Naughton and having JUH and Darcy land in their laps and still use Bruce while bringing those guys through. Some Dogs fans claimed losing Bruce cost them structure in the GF.

Last year after his good season he was off with the knee. This year they are trying to play him off the backline to bring through the kids above. I think they got great value from him for what they paid, the knee couldn't be planned around and was just a freak accident.

 

[gringo2011]

Despite watching guys through high school and college, having so many scouts it’s crazy plus drafting players years older than the afl I think about 30% of nfl players are undrafted free agents. There are plenty of talented players outside of the afl as demonstrated by the players you’ve listed. I might add caminiti and o’donnell both played on the weekend and again cost nothing.

Also a thing that Geelong have exploited really well. They aren't wedded to finding players through a single pathway.

 

[gringo2011]

I feel like we're being far too safe with selection and player positions.

It's disappointing

We are still on track for top 4, getting experimental is probably not the right path unless we really start to shit the bed. To me it's getting back to discipline and structures that need addressing, not getting kinky.

 

[gringo2011]

What terrible choices have we made at the draft since 2017? Clark and Coff? Max and Bytel? Byrnes? Allison certainly, NWM Owens and Windy? Pou?

I mean how far are we going to go back? the 2017 goals v Richmond R16 popped up on my Youtube feed last night, and there was hardly a player that is still on the list.
I think we need to get over Billings v Bont, and McCartin v Petracca etc. that was a decade ago

You are mentioning guys taken in that era and you've obviously not read what I wrote. You are claiming some kind of great list management in that time but ignoring a whole side that was not successful. Having no-one left from the list in 2017 is actually evidencing what I'm saying.