Preview 2023 Rd 13 Carlton vs Essendon Sunday June 11 7:15PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...


IN: Ed Curnow, Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

OUT: Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

AFL team news: Martin among three Round 13 inclusions

Carlton's team is in for the Round 13 clash with Essendon.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Jordan Boyd
Half-backs:	Adam Saad	Mitch McGovern	Brodie Kemp
Centreline:	Sam Walsh	Patrick Cripps	Blake Acres
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Charlie Curnow	Sam Docherty
Forwards:	Matthew Owies	Harry McKay	Tom De Koning
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Ed Curnow
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Matthew Kennedy	Jesse Motlop
	Lewis Young
Emergencies:	Lachie Cowan	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Jack Silvagni

 

[BlueGum]

Starting to think some trolls like to creep in here when things aren’t going so well for us. I don’t mind the changes, let’s get it done!!

You're starting to think this now?

 

[jackn]

Is that you Paddy.....

Very clever and original response, not quite as clever as voss' team selections, but still something you should be very proud to have come up with all by yourself.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

You're starting to think this now?

Some strange comments out here

 

[Revenant1965]

Anybody else got a sneaky feeling?

Ummm, I be more like...

 

[The Toad]

Starting to think some trolls like to creep in here when things aren’t going so well for us. I don’t mind the changes, let’s get it done!!

Mate, this has been happening since Jesus played full back for Jerusalem!!!

 

[BM123]

MC selections on par with our on-field performance this season.

 

[The Bighouse]

Mate, this has been happening since Jesus played full back for Jerusalem!!!

Thought I heard/read he was the star full forward of that era..

 

[Kramer1]

Actual footage from the match committee meeting...

 

[Blueballs38]

Tired of getting upset with the MC they are obviously morons. As the weeks roll on and they keep making baffling, idiotic and let’s face it embarrassing selections it’s becoming more and more clear that Voss is just a pigheaded fool who would rather burn a player that could help him but seriously it’s like he did something so personal to him personally he would prefer to be sacked than ask him for help!)

This club is just a seriously fractured joke that promised the world and fell in a heap with the burden of expectations.

Pea hearts from the president to the bootstrapper

 

[Worm4]

Only chance we win is if Charlie and Harry kick 10 between them.

However I expect this to be a heavy loss by more than the usual 4 goals.

63 to 105 with them completely burning our midfield with speed and spread. Something this club isn't interested in adding to their sluggish slow and boring game style.

Not a chance in hell that we get 63 points - that would show a pretty good improvement for us

 

[HereComesJuddy]

There’s a lot riding on this game for me personally.

My 7 year old grandson is at the crossroads of a very important decision. I asked him which team he followed and he said he follows two teams….Carlton and Essendon!!

FFS blues you need to dig deep and win this game.

1st rules. You don't ask your grandson what team he barracks for, you tell him.

 

[Franc de Borges]

The biggest positive is that the game isn’t until Sunday night, so it can’t ruin the whole weekend.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Setterfield Cup gonna be massive.

 

[charred_fate]

Yeh he played 34% game time. He would usually play what low 70’s? He was probably on track for 20 or low 20 touch game.
He also got zero clearances and had very low pressure act numbers.
It was a nothing performance. Not good, not bad. Wish he was playing but he didn’t really demand a game.

Cripps and Walsh were third and fourth highest possession winners for us with 23 and 22. In that context, his numbers look good, especially allowing for first senior game in ~ 12 months.

Our centre square play improved when he came on too.

The more alarming aspect from my point of view, is that it was an opportunity for us to expose a Bombers weakness. The Kangas nearly got up on the back of centre square clearances won by energetic (admittedly, very impressive) kids.

Again, no Dow fanboy but it feels people are treating him harshly to either defend the Club or to counter all the Dow talk.

Personally, there are a number of players I’d have given him the chance ahead of.

 

[manang magoos]

Thought I heard/read he was the star full forward of that era..

And had more disciples then we have

 

[Worm4]

Those out there who are calling for Dow to be given a fair chance are going to be disappointed when they realise that it is Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, and not Nick Daicos we are talking about
Will take no more than a quarter of football for the realisation to set in that he was left out of the side for a reason. Happy to be proven wrong

 

[Doro]

Dows career has had an interesting symmetry. Gifted games he didn't deserve under Bolton, refused games under Voss he did deserve. Keen to see how he goes in a different system.

 

[Gw2_James]

Those out there who are calling for Dow to be given a fair chance are going to be disappointed when they realise that it is Paddy Dow , and not Nick Daicos we are talking about
Will take no more than a quarter of football for the realisation to set in that he was left out of the side for a reason. Happy to be proven wrong

The point is he isn't given that chance. Hes been very good in the vfl, we should be rewarding form, dropping players who are out of form. For some reason, certain players who are well down on form, keep getting picked. Give Dow the chance to succeed or fail.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Imo this was the game to get Dow in the team for a full game, with a weakened bombers midfield and all.

 

[jj1978]

There’s a lot riding on this game for me personally.

My 7 year old grandson is at the crossroads of a very important decision. I asked him which team he followed and he said he follows two teams….Carlton and Essendon!!

FFS blues you need to dig deep and win this game.

I’m sorry, but you need to make the hard call here and contact child services, classify your child as an unfit parent and move to get custody of your grandson.

 

[Gethelred]

Precisely a year and 4 days ago, I posted this in the Preview thread for the Carlton vs Essendon match:

I have, over the past 3-4 years, developed a theory of AFL. I call it the 'minimum pass' theory of success.

Every traditional club in the AFL has opposition that they dislike and wish to defeat more than any other opponent. There are two kinds of relationship here; a traditional rivalry (Carlton-Collingwood, Hawthorn-Geelong; you can even push Sydney-WC in there for a more recent version, although it doesn't really hold true for the entire time) and a one-sided dislike. St Kilda, for example, really hate us; they need to beat us more than they need to beat other opposition. The interstate sides are an interesting case as far as this goes; they each have their key opposition in their home state, but in WC's case - because Fremantle hasn't been terribly good a lot of the time - they also have the Perth mindset towards the East Coast. It's enough for them to beat more eastern state sides to fulfil this need.

The key here is that only a single club can win the premiership every year, so teams and fanbases need to be able to define what they consider to be a 'minimum pass', and for any side that involves these rivalries or relationships. For Richmond to have a pass mark, they need to beat us in their encounters; if they make finals it helps, but you can clearly see in 2013 how making finals and coming 5th almost wasn't enough to keep fan pressure from coming to bear in their club. Every club needs, in the absence of other success, to hit enough 'pass' victories in order to keep themselves from turmoil long term; some regimes - Hawthorn, Essendon, for example - are less able to be externally influenced after a prolonged time at the base of the ladder, where a club like us has traditionally always been a bad loss to Essendon away from sacking the coach.

I went on to discuss how the two club's trajectories meant we should win, but that victory for them represented peace and stability, calming the clamourous voices catcalling out within and external to their club. I spoke of how such eagerness could be exploited, how pressure and contested ball dominance could see us clear.

How the tables turn.

We've gone from a position of strength to an inability to score. Our vaunted midfield is a shadow of how it performed last year. Our forward line is two men, and our back six are under siege most weeks. Whispers are heard from inside the club, which means they're no longer whispers really; ex players and benefactors both have expressed public criticism of where we are right now.

All of that goes away if we win. Fail to do so, and 'minimum pass' has not been achieved; anything can happen, from a board spill to a coach sacking to a player announcing his intent to play for GC next year.

How this goes will come down to three things, really: how we go in the clearances, how we negate Merrett, and whether players other than Harry and Charlie score goals. I could talk about them, but who gives a **** about them?

Our strength should be contested ball given the players we have in there. We need to make it our pill tomorrow, and we need to be cold blooded in how we do it. Far from treating the pill like an explosive - to be belted as far away from you as possible as quickly as possible - they need to treat it like a hot potato; move it quickly from person to person, trying to get them to overcommit to where the ball is instead of where it's going to be. Use that to force the ball free, and continue to move it into space.

Merrett had 16 disposals to quarter time against the Roos last week, which formed a cornerstone of why they kicked 6 goals in the first quarter to zip. After that Liam Shiel was sat on him, and while he still gathered plenty of the ball - 34 disposals - his influence over the game was severely diluted. While allowing them to rely on him then nullifying him and forcing them to recalibrate mid game is an effective suckerpunch, I'd prefer to have it our way around the ball all match. Don't even give them a sniff. If Ed is in, he needs to do it; if not him, Adam Cerra is a better option than Hewitt is.

I do not care whether we get goals from midfielders or the other forwards, we need to get them from ****ing somewhere. I do not care if Lewis Young gets on a tear and kicks 8 goals from CHB (actually, that'd be pretty cool). As plenty have pointed out, we're struggling to score at the moment. Let's switch over to the way we played against WC, and let it rain up forward for a quarter or two.

There were games last year where we had 8 goal terms. Outside of form, there's no reason why we couldn't do so again.

Carlton by 15, following a cheeky head high free to Harry McKay and a drop punt set shot.

 

[macky99]

Those out there who are calling for Dow to be given a fair chance are going to be disappointed when they realise that it is Paddy Dow , and not Nick Daicos we are talking about
Will take no more than a quarter of football for the realisation to set in that he was left out of the side for a reason. Happy to be proven wrong

Talking about form as the key criteria for selection mate, same as Binns.
Irrelevant comments not sure the relevance of Nick Daicos one of the elite players of the competition.

It is very clear the MC have their favs, Motlop underperforming each game, Jack Martin needs a block of games before senior footy, straight back in, Ed Curnow continues to play, look at the Port Adelaide mid field structure two big bodies & surrounded by quickness, we just don't get it unfortunately.

 

[Magruder]

Those out there who are calling for Dow to be given a fair chance are going to be disappointed when they realise that it is Paddy Dow , and not Nick Daicos we are talking about
Will take no more than a quarter of football for the realisation to set in that he was left out of the side for a reason. Happy to be proven wrong

that’s kinda the point.

on the basis of his VFL form and the current underperformance of the midfield at AFL level; does he deserve the opportunity to either prove you wrong or confirm your view?

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Indication of the quality available at our half forward line. Big recruitment need.

Totally correct...
The list has improved.....even on a bad day,yes it has
No DEPTH tho......your Indication of the quality available at our half forward line.
We need one more quick mid as well....a good one

 

[Gethelred]

Cripps and Walsh were third and fourth highest possession winners for us with 23 and 22. In that context, his numbers look good, especially allowing for first senior game in ~ 12 months.

Our centre square play improved when he came on too.

The more alarming aspect from my point of view, is that it was an opportunity for us to expose a Bombers weakness. The Kangas nearly got up on the back of centre square clearances won by energetic (admittedly, very impressive) kids.

Again, no Dow fanboy but it feels people are treating him harshly to either defend the Club or to counter all the Dow talk.

Personally, there are a number of players I’d have given him the chance ahead of.

Just quietly, I'd be happy to give Cripps some time off to knit or something if only to see what Dow and Kennedy could do alternating in Cripps' role.