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Not once have I mentioned trading Harry
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Not once have I mentioned trading Harry
Not meeting personal expectations within their own timeframe and or a perception we are trading call options
So, we want to trade Harry, while targeting player X from another club (we don't have another viable option unless we think Young can play that forward/ruck option)
My question would be, who is that player from another club and how do we entice him to leave his current club
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And what do we get for a forward who can't kick goals?
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I would argue all we need is youth besides bargain basement role players who are serviceable footballers. Acres and Newman types - do their job, costs nothing.
Our list is in the position where we have to draft high end talent, develop them in the VFL and keep refreshing the team with a couple of new kids each year.
This year we've had Kemp, Hollands and Motlop really rise to the occasion and show they are long term players.
Next year it could be Binns, Cowan and Durdin to really cement a spot in the 22.
Sustainable success. All great AFL players come through the draft. If you back you scouts, and can pick and develop well, you're set.
To discuss something & look at ways to strengthen a side to promote continued success & growth is not a bad thing.
We have a very simplistic & basic view on trading, which in time will evolve. Father Son, being a one club player etc is very unique to our game. I agree this “fabric” is important to a club, but trading strategy will evolve.
Look at the other major sporting leagues & trading is nowhere near as “taboo”.
Given we are on a football forum, which is essentially a discussion about the club & players, denigrating & belittling others for voicing ideas or having an opinions contrary to your own says more about the posters, than those discussing ideas.
Haven’t seen a single person say we should/have to trade Harry, just those musing the possible advantage to trading a player who would net huge return, provide salary cap relief & possibly strengthen the team. Of course it’s not without risk. People are free to oppose the idea, but do so with some thought.
It was not unreasonable for people to be questioning the coach & trading players when we were performing at a horrific level & looked to be in for another prolonged period of being shit.
We have a very simplistic & basic view on trading, which in time will evolve. Father Son, being a one club player etc is very unique to our game. I agree this “fabric” is important to a club, but trading strategy will evolve.
Look at the other major sporting leagues & trading is nowhere near as “taboo”.
Given we are on a football forum, which is essentially a discussion about the club & players, denigrating & belittling others for voicing ideas or having an opinions contrary to your own says more about the posters, than those discussing ideas.
Haven’t seen a single person say we should/have to trade Harry, just those musing the possible advantage to trading a player who would net huge return, provide salary cap relief & possibly strengthen the team. Of course it’s not without risk. People are free to oppose the idea, but do so with some thought.
It was not unreasonable for people to be questioning the coach & trading players when we were performing at a horrific level & looked to be in for another prolonged period of being shit.
Why would we trade Harry .. I always believe him playing helps curnow and if we traded him for what first round picks… also besides the yips he has contributed well .. he kicks those 2 basic goals Friday and he played well .. had a hand in the 1st 2 goals as well
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Sometimes having such a disastrous year in terms of yips and injuries can be just what a player needs to have a huge off season getting things right. Could be a blessing in disguise for big H to come back next year and dominate.
Do we think Dow and Fisher are still likely to be playing elsewhere in 2024? Or did I hear somewhere that Dow had signed an extension? Remind me how many list changes there has to be per team, and who else have played there last games for Carlton?
A guy just entering his prime
Imagine if we traded Charlie after people suggested he would never reach the heights of his current output. Or when he was kicking poorly for goal
I mean, surely we could get 4 x 1st rounders, save some cap space and go back to the draft to replicate the same player
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Did Hawthorn actually improve or just stay the same?
The problem with this comparison is Franklin left a forward line that had 5 AA level talents in it. Our third best forward atm struggles to kick 20goals in a season.
Well said. That’s all it is. Just a discussion...
And that’s what we’d all love to see.
They also didn't choose to get rid of him. They offered him a huge contract to stay, just weren't able to compete with Sydney + COLA.
If they had him tied up with a 7 year contract there is no way they would have traded him.
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I can only shake my head at the trade Harry talk.
He has had an average year with a loss of confidence and plagued by injury, but this is the guy who won the Coleman 3 years ago. Convincingly enough that people were saying he was the next key forward of the competition and internally fans were thankful we had him because Curnow was a big concern for them.
Players go through confidence highs and lows. But when he is on song he is worth his weight in gold and works very well with Curnow
Draft capital doesn't always translate especially when it comes to key forwards, just look at the recent drafts of the past. Even then we would need to hope they work with current players and would take time to develop
You have to laugh at life sometimes.
I had to check if I was in the right thread
Agree.
On a forum you have to be able to back up your opinions too. If others think something is silly and they can articulate it then that's fair too.
I believe this was about Harry?
You don't trade a key forward imo ever.
Although we got Juddy that Kennedy bloke had me crying most nights
What about mongrel..?
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To be fair its closer to two years so let's break it down
2021 - Harry wins the Coleman with 58 goals as the key forward for the team (No Charlie)
2022 - Was the key forward who was double teamed while Charlie got to enjoy the benefits of this and he still Scored 45 Goals for the year to the Coleman Medalist, Charlie's 64.
2023 - This year 27 Goals for an year in which he was down in confidence and injury plagued
Knee injury like his usually take more than a few games to get back to form (Charlie is a perfect example).
He is 25 years old ..... coming in his prime and can you name a player who hasn't had a poor year at some point? Does every team trade them as soon as this happens. If that was the case, Petracca, Cripps, J. Kennedy, Selwood, Boak etc all should have been traded by their clubs
Some pretty big names and Champions of the game in that list
Some other stats to mention in his "poor" season
Thats this season
Based on his Career Average the only thing down this year is his Goal Accuracy /Goal
I think I'd choose to back him in over trading him
But everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is just food for thought
2021 - Harry wins the Coleman with 58 goals as the key forward for the team (No Charlie)
2022 - Was the key forward who was double teamed while Charlie got to enjoy the benefits of this and he still Scored 45 Goals for the year to the Coleman Medalist, Charlie's 64.
2023 - This year 27 Goals for an year in which he was down in confidence and injury plagued
Knee injury like his usually take more than a few games to get back to form (Charlie is a perfect example).
He is 25 years old ..... coming in his prime and can you name a player who hasn't had a poor year at some point? Does every team trade them as soon as this happens. If that was the case, Petracca, Cripps, J. Kennedy, Selwood, Boak etc all should have been traded by their clubs
Some pretty big names and Champions of the game in that list
Some other stats to mention in his "poor" season
Thats this season
Based on his Career Average the only thing down this year is his Goal Accuracy /Goal
I think I'd choose to back him in over trading him
But everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is just food for thought
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Food for thought… the “yips” are seen as a medical condition by the Mayo Clinic.
Some amazing golfers had there careers cut short after reaching massive heights- Snead, Hogan, Duval, O’Meara, Langer, Baker Finch (all major winners) had careers cut short/went missing for large chunks.
And there’s a hell of a lot more variables (+ pressure from a team sport & a crowd) kicking a footy than putting.
Just do some work and it will fix itself - is a very simplistic view.
That said, u can also develop a routine, build confidence & start slotting it from 55 at goal post height.
Point is, it’s a valid concern, not saying it should keep us up at night but it’s fair to raise it.
Some amazing golfers had there careers cut short after reaching massive heights- Snead, Hogan, Duval, O’Meara, Langer, Baker Finch (all major winners) had careers cut short/went missing for large chunks.
And there’s a hell of a lot more variables (+ pressure from a team sport & a crowd) kicking a footy than putting.
Just do some work and it will fix itself - is a very simplistic view.
That said, u can also develop a routine, build confidence & start slotting it from 55 at goal post height.
Point is, it’s a valid concern, not saying it should keep us up at night but it’s fair to raise it.
H might not be the strongest in our line up mentally, but he is contracted. More importantly he is one of a team, a club.
The big fella should remain a valuable and valued member of the team for the foreseeable future. Charlie has become the “big dog” in the goal kicking stakes. H needs to alleviate some stress, but he is a superb contributor working up the ground. I would argue stringently that his prime role should be centre half forward, working up the ground with just enough strategic forays deep to command opposition attention, thus relieving pressure if Charlie. Being able to contribute considerably without the pressure of being a focal goal kicking target first surely enables to him to build confidence and reduce pressure.
Before we know it he will be realising his potential (again) and earning that big pay cheque as a valuable member of the TEAM.
The big fella should remain a valuable and valued member of the team for the foreseeable future. Charlie has become the “big dog” in the goal kicking stakes. H needs to alleviate some stress, but he is a superb contributor working up the ground. I would argue stringently that his prime role should be centre half forward, working up the ground with just enough strategic forays deep to command opposition attention, thus relieving pressure if Charlie. Being able to contribute considerably without the pressure of being a focal goal kicking target first surely enables to him to build confidence and reduce pressure.
Before we know it he will be realising his potential (again) and earning that big pay cheque as a valuable member of the TEAM.
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Have never really associated mongrel with Harry, some people just aren’t the type.
The game is too sterile for mongrels now.
It's for jumper pushers only.
Rhys Jones would only play 4 games a year in the current environment! LOL
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