Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[Ishmael_]

It seems I may be the only one not getting overhyped about Reid, part of me can’t shake off the history of no1 picks ending up not being the best of the bunch, I mean he looks great and all but our supporters seem to be looking at him as a messiah of sorts.

If we pick him up I hope I’m proven wrong but from what I read here it seems basically us never having the number 1 pick and being in very unfamiliar territory atm that we have rated it a lot higher than we normally would.

As I said I’d love to pick him up and he is an instant gun for us

It's been pretty silly stuff at times, but also - he's a highly rated kid and we don't have anything else to be excited about, so I get it. Some expectation management would be good for everyone's emotional well being though.

I think he's an elite talent that we should pick but fully expect him to be getting 10-20 touches on the half forward flank and maybe kick 10 goals next year. And that's perfectly normal and good.

He's not a true accumulator, so I wouldn't expect a breakout Ashcroft/Sheezel season. Tbh, I don't think we'll see the best out of him for a few years when he develops and the rest of the team lifts around him, so that he can become that impact player.

If we pick Reid, I'd like us to pick an elite true accumulating midfielder next year. I think we need one more to round it out.

 

[Keys]

Why are North posters coming onto here to tell us what West Coast need?

To be fair, it’s one North supporter and his posts have been fine. Nothing I’ve seen from the big lebowski has been problematic

There’s a Geelong supporter who’s posted here that is running much closer to the line

I don't think the poster was disrespectful or anything coming on here.

Let's not turn into one of those boards that shoos oppo fans away if they want reasonable discussion.

This

Respectful discussion from oppo supporters is always welcome even if it provides an alternate view.

 

[Coasters7]

It seems I may be the only one not getting overhyped about Reid, part of me can’t shake off the history of no1 picks ending up not being the best of the bunch, I mean he looks great and all but our supporters seem to be looking at him as a messiah of sorts.

If we pick him up I hope I’m proven wrong but from what I read here it seems basically us never having the number 1 pick and being in very unfamiliar territory atm that we have rated it a lot higher than we normally would and treating it like some sort of golden ticket

As I said I’d love to pick him up and he is an instant gun for us

I think part of that comes with pick 1s usually going to absolute basket cases. You could definitely make the argument that we are currently one but I’d still back us as one of the most successful clubs in the league to turn it around.

Compare that to Melbourne’s tanking era, Carlton being a dysfunctional mess for 20 years and North being North, and it’s easy to see why players might stagnate. If you had a look at those clubs pick 2-5s over the years you’d probably see a similar strike rate which says more about their development than the talent of the number 1 pick not being the best in the draft.

 

[ziad]

Why are North posters coming onto here to tell us what West Coast need?

sincere generosity perhaps. maybe just interested in footy. all pretty harmless in my view as long as like any poster they are respectful (in the BF sense)

 

[Monocle]

I do find it amusing when posters wax and wane over IF Reid will be the BEST player in this draft cohort.

Let me elaborate.

Whats our greatest weakness and skill shortage ?

Winning the contested possession and winning the one on ones, battles....correct.

So I ask you three questions, if I may ?

Who is the best contested ball winner in this cohort ?
Who wins most of his one on ones in this cohort ?
Who is touted as the best talent in this cohort ?

If Harley Reid is the answer to the above three questions.

For the love of God .......... JUST *ING PICK HIM .

 

[eaglevision]

Thank you.

I like this board

Edit: and infact I’ll leave you with this. I heard from a Bendigo family last week, who has a relationship with a person related to the Reid’s that they will all move to Perth. And that’s nothing media related.

Well played. Can you do us all a favour and drop that info on your own board as well? I’m sure it would be appreciated.

 

[ThePuma #9]

All this fear mongering about Reid not wanting to play in WA or preferring to stay in VIC is worthless now.

The AFL has just handed us the golden ticket.

If we take Reid and after year 1 he’s massively homesick then we have 10 teams vying for a trade and we have two years left on his contract as leverage.

If after year two he wants to go home same deal, he’s still locked into a contract for one more year so we hold all the cards.

We essentially have two years to convince this kid WA is home and a healthy chunk in our salary cap to convince him. AKA Ben King

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It’s one thing for people to say “oh you will never get as much for him as you will now” but I call bullshit. This draft is massively compromised and hardly caters to our list requirements anyway. The next few drafts may offer us significantly more options than this one does.

Let’s take the kid and back ourselves in.

 

[eaglevision]

I think part of that comes with pick 1s usually going to absolute basket cases. You could definitely make the argument that we are currently one but I’d still back us as one of the most successful clubs in the league to turn it around.

Compare that to Melbourne’s tanking era, Carlton being a dysfunctional mess for 20 years and North being North, and it’s easy to see why players might stagnate. If you had a look at those clubs pick 2-5s over the years you’d probably see a similar strike rate which says more about their development than the talent of the number 1 pick not being the best in the draft.

Just remember, last time we got the spoon we made a GF in 5 years and won a flag in 8. We’ll be just fine.

 

[Keys]

I think the hype and excitement Harley Reid can bring to the club would be a much needed boost as it’s sorely needed. Particularly for the support base who have had precious little to get excited about in recent times

The ability to cope with the attention is something the club will need to raise with Harley during interviews because it could become suffocating in a town like Perth. Especially the media who love to hype things up - we were lucky Naitanui was able to cope with it but can Reid do the same especially when the Melbourne media will regularly be floating Reid wants out rumours

I’m very firmly of the belief we hold firm and take the highest rated player in the draft who also happens to fill our greatest need. Unless…..

in the unlikely event a trade proposal comes through that would deliver us McKercher AND Curtin then we’d need to consider that as an option (I’d also consider a proposal that could land either O’Sullivan or Murphy instead of Curtin if it came with an additional late 1st rounder)

 

[the big lebowski]

Well played. Can you do us all a favour and drop that info on your own board as well? I’m sure it would be appreciated.

Lol it is contrary to the other rumours. I don’t put any credence in either to be honest. That said I would say what I was told was from a while ago.

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

Just remember, last time we got the spoon we made a GF in 5 years and won a flag in 8. We’ll be just fine.

To be fair we had much better seniors in 2010 than we do now, and we weren’t getting smashed by 171 points. Some of our kids look great but I think we need a lot more time than we did in the 2008-2010 era

 

[eaglevision]

To be fair we had much better seniors in 2010 than we do now, and we weren’t getting smashed by 171 points. Some of our kids look great but I think we need a lot more time than we did in the 2008-2010 era

100% agree with you there, very fair point. What I would say though is this: 17th last year and 18th this year is a hell of a head start on last time, especially when you consider how compromised the 2010 and 2011 drafts were (eg. we only got pick 4 for finishing last). If we draft well this year and next and maximise our free agency acquisitions I expect us to be playing finals by 2026.

 

[Forward Press]

I don't think the poster was disrespectful or anything coming on here.

Let's not turn into one of those boards that shoos oppo fans away if they want reasonable discussion.

Wasn't insinuating TBL was being disrespectful (I can see how it can be interpreted that way) - just that another opposition supporter isn't really in an ideal position to explain why West Coast should bend over to get Reid to North.

I also wasn't a fan of trolling North simply because of his presence but meh I've seen worse on here.

 

[Forward Press]

Thank you.

I like this board

Going back to your original post (or thereabouts), there have certainly been cases of players being worth more than their initial draft pick. Don't even have to leave the club - Chris Judd was drafted with #3 and we got #3 back, plus extra, when he wanted to go back.

Just found it odd to argue that since more players at the top of the draft prove to not be worth that pick at the end, it does not mean we should fall over to sign any offer with multiple top picks for #1. If a godfather offer comes in, consider it, but these mooted trades like Hawthorn's #5, F1st and Brockman seem more fanciful and wishful from Melbourne-based journalists rather than based on reality.

 

[kranky al]

To be fair, it’s one North supporter and his posts have been fine. Nothing I’ve seen from the big lebowski has been problematic

There’s a Geelong supporter who’s posted here that is running much closer to the line



This

Respectful discussion from oppo supporters is always welcome even if it provides an alternate view.

We really don’t wanna be the geelong board.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Why are North posters coming onto here to tell us what West Coast need?

F..... O.....M.....O

 

[Farang83150]

I think we should either use the number 1 pick to draft a player, or trade it for other draft picks or players.

That one's been suggested a few times already...

 

[Dylan82]

I do find it amusing when posters wax and wane over IF Reid will be the BEST player in this draft cohort.

Let me elaborate.

Whats our greatest weakness and skill shortage ?

Winning the contested possession and winning the one on ones, battles....correct.

So I ask you three questions, if I may ?

Who is the best contested ball winner in this cohort ?
Who wins most of his one on ones in this cohort ?
Who is touted as the best talent in this cohort ?

If Harley Reid is the answer to the above three questions.

For the love of God .......... JUST *ING PICK HIM .

This, this and this.

We have a prospect that has been rated at no.1 over the past two seasons, and has barely put a foot wrong despite all the pressure and scrutiny that has come with that.

It's about as close as it comes to getting a sure thing with the draft.

Not selecting H.Reid with pick 1 would be absolute madness.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

I like the idea of the three year mandatory contracts for top three picks I do wonder if the third year isn’t a set wage good youngsters really hit there straps by season three usually and are worth a lot more contract wise then afl base salary year 1-2.

Reid will love Perth if he moves here. One thing I’ve loved about our newest crop of draftees 2022/2021 they seem a close knit bunch. And comments from the likes of Ginbey, Hewett, Long and a few others they will drag us back kicking and screaming they’re determined to turn our club around

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Lol firstly, you’re projecting. I never made a suggestion. I merely responded to the fanciful suggestion you would ever get more for Reid than right now.

Secondly, JHF used us to get to Port. That was his intention all along and why he didn’t want us to trade pick 1 to the crows.

Thirdly, what has Thomas got to do with anything? He made several mistakes as a grown man after the age of 21. North actually handled him exceptionally well in his inital years keeping him on the straight and narrow, lives with leaders and fitness staff.

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Fourthly we have drafted a host of other interstate players, so …….

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"Secondly, JHF used us to get to Port. That was his intention all along and why he didn’t want us to trade pick 1 to the crows"

Not accurate.

He was all set to sign an extension with north for a further 2, and then the Clarkson issue blew up. He got cold feet with that situation and ran.

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[Farang83150]

It's getting well beyond ridiculous in some places...

 

[random260]

It's getting well beyond ridiculous in some places...


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Don't forget WCE told norf that we will give them Harley Reid. Hence they won the GCS game.

So norf big brains

Norf Get: Harley Reid + GCS game win
WCE Get: scrap picks for their troubles

 

[plays tall 1]

I think WCE_phil mentioned that other clubs are very creative in beating the salary cap. I hope the club has got a good understanding of those practices and, if we do draft Reid and we’re satisfied they’re compliant, we utilise those methods to increase the likelihood that he stays.

 

[WCE_phil]

I think WCE_phil mentioned that other clubs are very creative in beating the salary cap. I hope the club has got a good understanding of those practices and, if we do draft Reid and we’re satisfied they’re compliant, we utilise those methods to increase the likelihood that he stays.

Soft cap, not salary cap.

 

[plays tall 1]

Soft cap, not salary cap.

Ah, my mistake, sorry.

But regarding the salary cap it’s often hinted that people in the coterie groups of other clubs have entered into private arrangements with players to enable retention. Do you think that sort of stuff still goes on?