List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Obeanie1]

Had Ryan left out of contract would we have got compo for him ?

Three years is ridiculous even before the current injury. Our list management is still a joke.

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It's a 2 year extension. Not 3.

 

[MrWoollie]

It's a 2 year extension. Not 3.

Exactly.

I think a few need to take a chill pill here.
From reports of those on here who actually attend training and the usual (sometimes fluff) pieces from the club he was in good shape pre-christmas, training well, good attitude and looking in better shape than for some time.
Given that and our salary cap situation I don't have a problem with 2 years on (admittedly unknown) reasonable terms. It wasn't like the club went 5 or 6 years on big dollars.

It's not the end of the world dudes. Hope it all gets fixed up and we get 2 1/2 good years out of him.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Ryan = 2023 Naitanui. 1 hamstring tendon rupture requiring surgery would've made me hesitant to offer a new contract to a player. Ryan's had THREE.

Hope, really hope I wrong but he will play little football for us and what we does will be a pale imitation of his best.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Two years,

an additional two years.

 

[Keys]

Ryan = 2023 Naitanui. 1 hamstring tendon rupture requiring surgery would've made me hesitant to offer a new contract to a player. Ryan's had THREE.

Hope, really hope I wrong but he will play little football for us and what we does will be a pale imitation of his best.

At the time of signing the contract in December he’d had two surgeries but one hamstring tendon rupture. The second operation last year was due to the first operation to reattach the tendon not being successful

He then did the tendon on his other leg on returning after the break

The above is a bit of semantics but just clearing up the timing and the nature of the surgeries

And yes there’s a possibility that we might not see him again or, if/when he does return he’s not the same dynamic player he was

 

[CursoryMercenary]

How does it work re: Nic Naitanui's case when he doesn't see out the second year of his contract? do the club come to terms on a package and does that still count toward the cap for 2024?

 

[Keys]

How does it work re: Nic Naitanui's case when he doesn't see out the second year of his contract? do the club come to terms on a package and does that still count toward the cap for 2024?

My basic understanding is he gets a negotiated settlement for 2024 which isn’t included in the salary cap as it’s an injury payout

If I get time later I might rummage through the CBA to see if I can find something more definitive than my guess

 

[twce13]

Free agent end of next year so zero trade currency. Financially I’d expect a Ben McKay situation but the difference being our man can actually play footy. I don’t know the exact state of our books but sounds like we have cash to burn over the next 2 years. 5 year contract. $1.4m in 2025 and 2026 then smoothed back to 700k a year for the last 3 years so we can pay our young guys who by then will be after their paydays. I don’t foresee us needing to spend huge amounts on other players other than Oscar before 2026.

Unrestricted tho right? So gws can and probably will match.

I like Sam Taylor but i bet he re-signs with an ascending gws team.

 

[eaglevision]

Unrestricted tho right? So gws can and probably will match.

I like Sam Taylor but i bet he re-signs with an ascending gws team.

Restricted so they can match yes but there is no way they can compete with our $$$. Odds are he will stay with GWS but we should be making him our priority signing next year. This year it’s Busslinger.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Would small defenders run off him at will though and carve us up?

Possibly, but if we get our match ups right we wouldn't expose him to their best rebounding defender.

 

[MrKennedy17]

If Dockers get Bevo.
What Dogs are they poaching? They hardly need English with Darcy/Jackson.
Do they need Busslinger? Not really but would be a good get.

In the next 2/3 yrs of Free Agency
So Freo are raiding Dogs, Eagles raiding Swans

Warner will do just fine in a couple yrs. Afraid he maybe 1st or 2nd best Mid by then in Swans.

We wont need Logan. Allen, Archer Reid & Livingstone will be suffice. Once Darling & Waterman are not there.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

The Ryan decision is an incredibly disappointing indicator that the head-in-the-sand and avoid-hard-decisions mentality that got us into this mess are still present at the club. Ryan does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has produced very little in the last 3 years and when on injury hiatus has often come back with a very visible big fat beer gut. If you are not out on the park and can't train then the least you can do is watch your diet and try and get some kind of exercise to avoid putting on a beer gut. The real litmus test is would any other club offer him (effectively) 3 years under current circumstances. The answer is a loud unequivocal No. So why are we giving it to him?

I had high hopes that Pyke would change this mentality at the club, not allow these terrible decisions from the Nisbett regime continue and hopefully move on people who think like this. I had hoped that with Nisbett gone we could start behaving like a professional organisation again. I will give him a mulligan on this and hope that he vehemently disagrees with list decisions like this and is determined to stop them going forward but that the decision to offer this to Ryan was already made under Nisbett's leadership and he has decided to preserve his political capital for future fights rather than expend a significant chunk of it it upsetting the apple cart by taking back an indefensible contract offer that had already been made to Ryan at the last minute.

Thank God Nisbett is gone and lets all hope this is the last of these terrible list management decisions we have to endure as supporters.

 

[ziad]

Exactly.

I think a few need to take a chill pill here.
From reports of those on here who actually attend training and the usual (sometimes fluff) pieces from the club he was in good shape pre-christmas, training well, good attitude and looking in better shape than for some time.
Given that and our salary cap situation I don't have a problem with 2 years on (admittedly unknown) reasonable terms. It wasn't like the club went 5 or 6 years on big dollars.

It's not the end of the world dudes. Hope it all gets fixed up and we get 2 1/2 good years out of him.

You are trying to herd the chicken littles!

 

[JackOutback]

The real litmus test is would any other club offer him (effectively) 3 years under current circumstances. The answer is a loud unequivocal No. So why are we giving it to him?

Hawthorn made an active play for him, so your answer is not so unequivocal

 

[Tugga27]

Hawthorn made an active play for him, so your answer is not so unequivocal

Is there any substance to this?

Reports are that he was just there to watch his mate Brockman play?

 

[eaglevision]

Is there any substance to this?

Reports are that he was just there to watch his mate Brockman play?

Absolutely substance to this. Ryan’s manager very keen too.

 

[Obeanie1]

Absolutely substance to this. Ryan’s manager very keen too.

And hence how he got a two year deal.

And Deporable T going off once again not using his brain posting.

Hawks were chasing hard. Pre Christmas Ryan was training well showing no signs of new injuries and he didn't reinjure the one he had surgery on. He's a quality player, marketable and liked by teammates.

He likely only got two years due to his previous injury. And he didn't reinjure that leg.

 

[eaglevision]

Can anyone confirm the final decision on whether ALL 1st round picks got a 3 year contract or just the top 20? Relevant to us for A Reid and potentially Hardeman and Collard.

 

[suntagonal]

Can anyone confirm the final decision on whether ALL 1st round picks got a 3 year contract or just the top 20? Relevant to us for A Reid and potentially Hardeman and Collard.

A Reid was the first pick of the second draft, so it wouldn't matter to him.

But I thought it was top 20

This (Three-year contracts loom for top draftees in new CBA) suggests its top 20, but not technically definitive.

 

[eaglevision]

A Reid was the first pick of the second draft, so it wouldn't matter to him.

But I thought it was top 20

This (Three-year contracts loom for top draftees in new CBA) suggests its top 20, but not technically definitive.

Yep got a bit carried away there with Archer. I’ve seen that article but that’s pre CBA and is speculative. Do we have anything confirmed list CBA from the AFL?

 

[garlic munchers]

At the time of signing the contract in December he’d had two surgeries but one hamstring tendon rupture. The second operation last year was due to the first operation to reattach the tendon not being successful

He then did the tendon on his other leg on returning after the break

The above is a bit of semantics but just clearing up the timing and the nature of the surgeries

And yes there’s a possibility that we might not see him again or, if/when he does return he’s not the same dynamic player he was

We do really need to push the AFL to bring in a salary cap exemption for premiership clubs to nominate up to two pivotal moment, but now broken down/hack players.

We'd nominate Dom "that goal and last quarter" Sheed and Flying "that hit on Maynard/mark" Ryan.

Sorry Freo.... no one for you to nominate anytime soon, but hey, life wasn't meant to be easy for those that wear purple.

 

[Convocation]

 

[Boohemian]

Yuck.

 

[Farang83150]

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Does he mean we signalled something re English this offseason?

 

[Keys]

Does he mean we signalled something re English this offseason?

This is what Twomey wrote in his article

The All-Australian ruckman hits his free agency season after a career-best campaign last year, with the Eagles already understood to have signalled their interest in him whilst he was in Perth during the off-season.