VFL VFL 2024 - Geelong & the greater league

[CatToTheFuture]

If you think Knevitt is a year away then fair enough but that tracks Humphries debut in 2030 for the exact same metric.

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I don't know if that's exactly the same

 

[Footy Smarts]

If you think Knevitt is a year away then fair enough but that tracks Humphries debut in 2030 for the exact same metric.

GO Catters

Humphries is physically fine for a rebounding half back flanker. Nobody is suggesting putting him in the middle.

Knevitt isn't ready to play midfield at AFL level but he can be a decent defensive winger and be gradually exposed to a bit of midfield time.

 

[dazbroncos]

I don't know if that's exactly the same

agree there but LH is still too slight - its Zuthrie type frame size and build right now and there was not a soul that wanted him at HB.

Not saying LH cant play or his pace and skills arent good enough but id hate to see him get Motlop'd in his first 3 games.

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[00VicWard001]

If you don’t try other players, you’ll never know.

a couple of reasons why they havent changed the mix...1) we won 7 in a row, so they wanted to stick to their strategy and see if the current team could turn it around 2) the players in the current team dominate the ones in the VFL on the training track...

 

[PzBlinky]

Not just yesterday.

Every week Mannagh is predominantly deep forward, almost a 175cm full forward.

I'm not one of the guys on here saying he should be playing seniors due to form, because I actually do agree that he isn't banging the door down.

My issue is he was playing better last year, in a role that would be useful for us and doing it in a non-professional environment.

This year he isn't given the chance to improve on last year's form because 75% of the time he is chained inside 50.

It's like we are trying to train him up for a role we don't need him for... Still going about 2.4 goals a game and doing ok.

For mine, last year he was playing as a real dangerous/dynamic type (seemed a good fit initially to me).

He was playing in a way that made Wells and other clubs finally want him.

The guy finally gets his chance on an AFL list and is banished to the forward pocket in a team that doesn't need a forward pocket.

I think we have rick rolled the poor guy and deep down he'd be pretty pissed we drafted him.

Yeah, it's hard to see what they're thinking with Mannagh.

What makes it even more bizarre is we tend to favour having at least a few "utilities" in the team. Cameron is the obvious one, but Miers is another one, and maybe they're starting to play around with SDK in the same way. Having a forward who can potentially kick a couple of goals but also work up the ground is much more useful than a stay-at-home forward (unless said forward is Stengle-like).

 

[Kobe Gryant]

That's such a cop out. Every single player at VFL level is asked to play various positions some of which aren't ideal for them.

Humphries and O'Sullivan are being moved up to a wing regularly. Hardie and Knevitt have played deep forward for significant periods.

He's a forward/mid playing exclusively forward and mid. Yesterday it was more deep forward. Other games have been more a blend of mid forward. It's not like we're putting him in a back pocket.

Stevens on the wing yesterday too.

We treat the VFL far more like a development pathway than actually going all out to win games, and we have for years.

It's always been about players adding strings to their bow, and playing multiple positions.

Not just to improve their game long term, but also give us options in an injury crisis.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

agree there but LH is still too slight - its Zuthrie type frame size and build right now and there was not a soul that wanted him at HB.

Not saying LH cant play or his pace and skills arent good enough but id hate to see him get Motlop'd in his first 3 games.

GO Catters

Yeah, I love the man but have always thought of him as being a next year prospect for AFL games

 

[Footy Smarts]

agree there but LH is still too slight - its Zuthrie type frame size and build right now and there was not a soul that wanted him at HB.

Not saying LH cant play or his pace and skills arent good enough but id hate to see him get Motlop'd in his first 3 games.

GO Catters

Zuthrie was always a one on one defender first though. His lack of strength was a key problem. Humphries is a rebounder first. Yes he needs to develop his body but it shouldn't be a problem to start getting games.

Zuthrie was also being held out of vastly superior teams from 2017-2021 than what we are now.

 

[Hinkley29]

I'd say both. Little flexibility and apparent desire to change or adapt the system IMO.

He just went into a big game with no recognised ruckman while our only two specialist ruckmen were fit and played in the magoos.

You can agree or disagree with that decision but it is hardly the work of a coach who is “inflexible” or having “little desire to change”.

If anything it could be criticise for being too radical.

 

[allrighty]

He just went into a big game with no recognised ruckman while our only two specialist ruckmen were fit and played in the magoos.

You can agree or disagree with that decision but it is hardly the work of a coach who is “inflexible” or having “little desire to change”.

If anything it could be criticise for being too radical.

Fair enough. You could also look at the other way, as fixed in that Conway cannot get up as often so let's have him smash it in the twos and protect his fragility.

 

[BORIS332]

Fair enough. You could also look at the other way, as fixed in that Conway cannot get up as often so let's have him smash it in the twos and protect his fragility.

He can still get injured in the twos.

 

[Hinkley29]

Fair enough. You could also look at the other way, as fixed in that Conway cannot get up as often so let's have him smash it in the twos and protect his fragility.

Conway hadn’t played for 3 weeks. And then he played a full game in the twos.

He was right to play, the mc chose not to play him.

Pretty radical decision considering we played with SDK as our #1 ruck.

 

[allrighty]

Conway hadn’t played for 3 weeks. And then he played a full game in the twos.

He was right to play, the mc chose not to play him.

Pretty radical decision considering we played with SDK as our #1 ruck.

I guess in a roundabout way that's what I am saying. They keep the baffling selection decisions for good or bad. Anyway no biggie, we can agree the situation is not good and the MC are not helping.

 

[allrighty]

He can still get injured in the twos.

Yup.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Of the mids George Stevens actually impressed me most. Getting a big bodied mid that doesn't go early in the draft normally doesn't work out but he's much classier than I expected. Smart by hand and very good by foot.

Outside of the usual blind obsession and fear over “slow” players as fans in general, he seems a good player overall.

If he wants a role model at the level, look no further than the great cameron ling.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Humphries is physically fine for a rebounding half back flanker. Nobody is suggesting putting him in the middle.

Knevitt isn't ready to play midfield at AFL level but he can be a decent defensive winger and be gradually exposed to a bit of midfield time.

I always find these narratives a bit of a cop out and concerning..

At the end of the day, how many A grade midfielders are not regular AFL players in their third season??

If you are still lagging in development in an average side in the VFL.. Its not an optimistic sign

 

[Hinkley29]

Who knew that Phoenix Foster starred in 90’s sitcom Home Improvement?

 

[Hinkley29]

I guess in a roundabout way that's what I am saying. They keep the baffling selection decisions for good or bad. Anyway no biggie, we can agree the situation is not good and the MC are not helping.

But that is not what you said.

You said the coach was “inflexible” and having “little desire to change”.

Which is clearly not the case.

I am not saying they are doing a good job or a bad job, but you can’t criticise them for being inflexible and then get shitty when you don’t like the radical decisions they make.

 

[allrighty]

But that is not what you said.

You said the coach was “inflexible” and having “little desire to change”.

Which is clearly not the case.

I am not saying they are doing a good job or a bad job, but you can’t criticise them for being inflexible and then get shitty when you don’t like the radical decisions they make.

Yes I can

 

[Hinkley29]

Yes I can

I guess you can, but it does smack of a toddler who has thrown their toys out of the cot.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I always find these narratives a bit of a cop out and concerning..

At the end of the day, how many A grade midfielders are not regular AFL players in their third season??

If you are still lagging in development in an average side in the VFL.. Its not an optimistic sign

He won't be an a-grade mid. He doesn't have the clean hands or explosiveness to be really effective as an attacking mid. And he's still very thin and rangy with a high centre of gravity. He'd be worked off the ball easily by gun inside mids currently.

But that doesn't mean he can't be a solid player. I'd back him to be at least a decent winger and be able to play a role as a defensive midfielder once his body really matures in a few years. He might be a James Kelly or Blicavs (ex rucking) type but he won't be a Dangerfield, Ablett, Selwood.

 

[feelinfeline]

I guess you can, but it does smack of a toddler who has thrown their toys out of the cot.

This from a person who seemed to in apoplexy about the selection decisions on Thursday night.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I always find these narratives a bit of a cop out and concerning..

At the end of the day, how many A grade midfielders are not regular AFL players in their third season??

If you are still lagging in development in an average side in the VFL.. Its not an optimistic sign

It would be concerning if he didnt go up and play well on the wing last year, but he did, so I'm not

 

[Hinkley29]

This from a person who seemed to in apoplexy about the selection decisions on Thursday night.

At the time I did not understand the selection decisions, which was the point of my posts.

After the way the game played out i feel like i understand them better now.

Not sure if i agree with them, but I definitely understand them better.

If by apoplexy you mean “extreme anger” then I must have been poor at communicating my emotions.

Was I confused? Yes. Was I angry? Not even close.

You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry

 

[cats_09]