Training Preseason Training Thread - 2024/25

[We_The_West]

yep then we stuck him in the forward line for years and wondered why he was no good, then put him in the midfield and were surprised when he actually played well

hasn't been trialed on HB, which is where his skillset is suited to

I think Petch suffers similar to what WCE_phil said about Archer Reid in that he doesn't have the focus to stay in games or gets distracted too easily.

I still think he has upside and hope a new coach will help bring out more of his dominant performances from his earlier years

 

[FKASC]

yep then we stuck him in the forward line for years and wondered why he was no good, then put him in the midfield and were surprised when he actually played well

hasn't been trialed on HB, which is where his skillset is suited to

Even Simpson said when he was drafted that he saw him as more than a forward pocket

 

[squashface]

WCE have always loved drafting a small midfielder then only playing them as a forward pocket/HFF. Even in the Woosha days we did this.

 

[Ghossein]

Even Simpson said when he was drafted that he saw him as more than a forward pocket

so we drafted a HB/mid as a forward then got surprised when he wasn't a good forward

 

[Ghossein]

WCE have always loved drafting a small midfielder then only playing them as a forward pocket/HFF. Even in the Woosha days we did this.

or drafting Greg Clark, a dominant inside mid at WAFL level, then sticking him on a wing

 

[flyinghi64]

yep then we stuck him in the forward line for years and wondered why he was no good, then put him in the midfield and were surprised when he actually played well

hasn't been trialed on HB, which is where his skillset is suited to

You mean we had a speedy HBF all this time chasing his tail in the forward line???
Well I'll be a ................
Actually sounds just like something we would do.

 

[Ghossein]

I don't remember this part

 

[Bender_]

I don't remember this part

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[Grahame]

i just found out that Jack Petruccelle was drafted as a half-back/inside midfielder who had one of the highest contested possession rates of his draft class...

Haven't we been looking for someone to fit that role...

These development issues go deep... it's like a rabbit hole

Even if he is playing out of position you’d imagine if this was true we’d have seen it even occasionally in his 88 games.

The only thing that’s constantly said about Petro is he’s ‘pacy’. Nothing ever about having a contested game. And even his pace is only straight line - meaning he runs hard at a player who takes half a step to the side and watches Petro fly past.

He’s shown too little too often. But I really do hope The Q can find a spot for him because if not his 88 game luck must run out.

 

[JackOutback]

Get Out!

Nope.

 

[RookiePick]

Petch isn't even that quick after his hammy issues. Fast but not point of difference fast like he was early doors.

 

[Rowan18]

Guess we have to agree to disagree, though lots of posters seem to agree with you.

I rate Bailey Smith considerably higher than Baker. About 4 years younger and I think he's capable of winning a Brownlow. Yes he's got mental health issues but has a reputation for being a dedicated professional. Bevo seems like a love or hate coach and I don't think Smith would have had the same issues under a different coach. Though no way to factor check this.

I agree Smith was worth more, but it's more a case of Geelong screwing Bulldogs. Would have thought he was worth a top 10 pick.

However, he is mentally weak and I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the game completely in a couple of years. Started with his draft year and refusing to leave Vic and his behaviour at the Bulldogs was appalling once things weren't going his way. It says a lot that he effectively left the club for 12 months while rehabbing ACL and had no regard for helping them get fair value.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I feel like Petch hasn't been fast since 2019 or whenever he burst onto the scene kicking bags out the backdoor.

Pity Oppo teams cottoned onto that quickly as it basically never happened again.

 

[EagleMan87]

Guess we have to agree to disagree, though lots of posters seem to agree with you.

I rate Bailey Smith considerably higher than Baker. About 4 years younger and I think he's capable of winning a Brownlow. Yes he's got mental health issues but has a reputation for being a dedicated professional. Bevo seems like a love or hate coach and I don't think Smith would have had the same issues under a different coach. Though no way to factor check this.

A little under 3 years (Jan 1998 / Dec 2000 births).

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

The only thing that’s constantly said about Petro is he’s ‘pacy’. Nothing ever about having a contested game. And even his pace is only straight line - meaning he runs hard at a player who takes half a step to the side and watches Petro fly past.

He's a good handballer in relative congestion IMO, and one of our few players who seem to see and pull off forward handballs that put pressure on defenses. AKA basketball background.

 

[Kegs15]

I agree Smith was worth more, but it's more a case of Geelong screwing Bulldogs. Would have thought he was worth a top 10 pick.

However, he is mentally weak and I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the game completely in a couple of years. Started with his draft year and refusing to leave Vic and his behaviour at the Bulldogs was appalling once things weren't going his way. It says a lot that he effectively left the club for 12 months while rehabbing ACL and had no regard for helping them get fair value.

To be honest as much as I don't like it Geelong get to weigh things on a bit of a different value, they're probably have the best system in the league to extract maximum value out of that type of player.

With their general culture of professionalism they can pay in a trade the price of a player's professionalism-talent balance but back themselves to only actually care about talent. Handy to make up the gap from their lack of regular draft capital.

Baker being older and less talented wouldn't be worth as much to them in that sense. But the professionalism element is important to us at the moment and Richmond knew it, so probably part of the weighting on our end and why he'd be worth that to us.

Obviously the Baker trade itself still has its heavy question marks but think the general Baker/Smith weightings make sense given the recipient clubs.

(P.S still doesn't mean Geelong should get to be such dicks and apply that weighting in reverse when a player leaves their club like Kelly but ah well)

 

[MaxHunt]

Maximal Aerobic Speed. The lowest velocity at which maximal oxygen uptake occurs.

In other words, it's effectively the highest speed (in this case running) at which your aerobic system can meet energy demands without relying on anaerobic processes.

Most common ways of determination are 2km time trials or 30-15 tests - sounds like the latter was used during the recent training session.

I'd argue that the 2km method provides superior results, but they take much longer to host as players need to be separated into small groups to prevent drafting from skewing the outcomes - whereas a 30-15 could do the whole team in less then 20 minutes, and the results are still very good.

For what it's worth, elite distance runners often have MAS scores in the 24-25km/h range.

J.Ingebrigtsen famously achieved a 22km/h score at 18.



It will be a baseline for akin to zone 2 or 80:20 style threshold training I would expect, but obviously in a far more sophisticated manner.

Hey thanks for the detailed reply.

How's your health man?

 

[DanWCE]

Clay Hall been on the Ginbey tin shifting program? Looks thicc af

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

i just found out that Jack Petruccelle was drafted as a half-back/inside midfielder who had one of the highest contested possession rates of his draft class...

Haven't we been looking for someone to fit that role...

These development issues go deep... it's like a rabbit hole

I was at Subi sitting with a Melbourne based recruiter when Petch was playing back pocket in the first half then wing in the second half. He did not have much impact that day. The recruiter stated that the problem with him was that nobody knows where to play him. No way in hell was he an inside mid and similar to your statement he had the highest contested possession rate. Not sure on your source but I went back and checked out the notes I had taken.

I believe our development issues have been poor but this is not the right example

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

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[ziad]

I was at Subi sitting with a Melbourne based recruiter when Petch was playing back pocket in the first half then wing in the second half. He did not have much impact that day. The recruiter stated that the problem with him was that nobody knows where to play him. No way in hell was he an inside mid and similar to your statement he had the highest contested possession rate. Not sure on your source but I went back and checked out the notes I had taken.

I believe our development issues have been poor but this is not the right example

I believe Petch isn't a natural footballer - ie runs fast but limited talent.

 

[Ghossein]

I believe Petch isn't a natural footballer - ie runs fast but limited talent.

That's fair, it isn't clear what his football strengths are. He's not a particularly good kick, nor is he good by hand.

Smaller and leaner players usually get around that disadvantage by being creative and having high footy iQ (i.e. Rioli, Ryan, Dewar, LeCras, etc), or having a really good aerobic base and good skills (Gaff, Cripps, etc). It isn't clear to me that Petch fits into either category.

 

[Grahame]

That's fair, it isn't clear what his football strengths are. He's not a particularly good kick, nor is he good by hand.

Smaller and leaner players usually get around that disadvantage by being creative and having high footy iQ (i.e. Rioli, Ryan, Dewar, LeCras, etc), or having a really good aerobic base and good skills (Gaff, Cripps, etc). It isn't clear to me that Petch fits into either category.

Yep. I think you can paper over a few deficits if you’ve got footy smarts. Without that, any scrutiny picks up the other flaws.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

That's fair, it isn't clear what his football strengths are. He's not a particularly good kick, nor is he good by hand.

Last year of his contract.... I don't seem him being retained. I'm surprised he wasn't thrown on the trade table just to see if there were any nibbles, given he's a Victorian. That said, who would want him? I had such high hopes, but he plays WAFL this years as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Elite Pete]

I was at Subi sitting with a Melbourne based recruiter when Petch was playing back pocket in the first half then wing in the second half. He did not have much impact that day. The recruiter stated that the problem with him was that nobody knows where to play him. No way in hell was he an inside mid and similar to your statement he had the highest contested possession rate. Not sure on your source but I went back and checked out the notes I had taken.

I believe our development issues have been poor but this is not the right example

Rookie me had him listed as an inside mid