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Autopsy 15 point loss to Carlton
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I was about to mention switching up Campbell and Wicks too. Could be the equivalent of when Horse switched up Dawson and McInerney last year.
I think the only question is Campbell’s fitness. I get the impression that are managing him until his tanks builds up, rather than they don’t think he has the ability to play up the ground.
I think Wicks is a defender though. Tenacious, great tackler, good focus. Just needs to hone is agro into disciplined aggression and he would be a nightmare for small forwards - could really get under their skins.
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You still have to defend and need them small shut down guys , Lloyd etc are not
Blakey is fantastic by foot by cant defend to safe himself at times , mills had a go at him last night.
Admittedly TMac got smashed 1 on 1 yesterday and it is part of his development but he wasn't alone in this - it just served another reminder of the backline woes this season. I know if his name was Melican he would have been whipped on here. Against the Lions it was the same thing, small forwards killing us when it got to ground.
Credit to the staff for finding Paddy when we were begging for a big bodied defender all along but now the issue is what happens when the ball goes to ground. Nick Smith was great at doing this back then. Really missing that sort of player.
Credit to the staff for finding Paddy when we were begging for a big bodied defender all along but now the issue is what happens when the ball goes to ground. Nick Smith was great at doing this back then. Really missing that sort of player.
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When Logan got to the club he couldn't leave the goal square and could not produce a second effort to save his life his tank was that small.
Last night he covered 15kms and his workrste has gone through the roof. He's obviously been working extremely hard. A kid with that much talent, and determination to improve is a scary proposition.
The league was put on notice last night
Last night he covered 15kms and his workrste has gone through the roof. He's obviously been working extremely hard. A kid with that much talent, and determination to improve is a scary proposition.
The league was put on notice last night
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When Logan got to the club he couldn't leave the goal square and could not produce a second effort to save his life his tank was that small.
Last night he covered 15kms and his workrste has gone through the roof. He's obviously been working extremely hard. A kid with that much talent, and determination to improve is a scary proposition.
The league was put on notice last night
Last night he covered 15kms and his workrste has gone through the roof. He's obviously been working extremely hard. A kid with that much talent, and determination to improve is a scary proposition.
The league was put on notice last night
So accurate I quoted and liked twice.
The best thing about this game is how bad some of our players played.
Warner in probably his worst game in 2 years, McInerney the same, Hickey and Ladhams being ineffectual, Wicks, Papley, and Bell providing almost zero pressure in the forward line, McCartin getting a bath, Heeney not going near the score board, Hayward wasting the ball, and the mids being completely ineffectual (too many to mention).
I can count how many players played a good game on one hand, and this is part of the reason our consistency is so terrible. Like it or not, Hewett and Dawson were in the consistent age bracket, where we knew what we would get game in game out, but now we are relying on the inconsistent age bracket and the form shows that exactly.
IMO, our list is a fine spot, but we are 2-3 years off from being consistent enough to push the best teams. It's a shame, but last year we had more consistent players than this year.
Warner in probably his worst game in 2 years, McInerney the same, Hickey and Ladhams being ineffectual, Wicks, Papley, and Bell providing almost zero pressure in the forward line, McCartin getting a bath, Heeney not going near the score board, Hayward wasting the ball, and the mids being completely ineffectual (too many to mention).
I can count how many players played a good game on one hand, and this is part of the reason our consistency is so terrible. Like it or not, Hewett and Dawson were in the consistent age bracket, where we knew what we would get game in game out, but now we are relying on the inconsistent age bracket and the form shows that exactly.
IMO, our list is a fine spot, but we are 2-3 years off from being consistent enough to push the best teams. It's a shame, but last year we had more consistent players than this year.
Opposing defenders just stand near Buddy and they'll get a free kick.
Logan and COR showed something.
They wouldn't play George Hewett in his preferred position, so in the end leaving worked out for him.
Logan and COR showed something.
They wouldn't play George Hewett in his preferred position, so in the end leaving worked out for him.
An exert from Fox footy 3-2-1
Despite steadying, Sydney’s Chad Warner lost his cool when he was penalised for running too far. And his frustration boiled over when he was further punished by a 50-metre penalty for dissent.
As a result, the Blues went straight inside 50m where Curnow was awarded his second free kick for holding, and suddenly the lead was out to a game-high 29 points.
Gil wants an even competition. Instead, hes got a puppet show where afl house are pulling all the strings. F**k you afl house, you're destroying what is a great game
Despite steadying, Sydney’s Chad Warner lost his cool when he was penalised for running too far. And his frustration boiled over when he was further punished by a 50-metre penalty for dissent.
As a result, the Blues went straight inside 50m where Curnow was awarded his second free kick for holding, and suddenly the lead was out to a game-high 29 points.
Gil wants an even competition. Instead, hes got a puppet show where afl house are pulling all the strings. F**k you afl house, you're destroying what is a great game
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My thoughts on the game
1. Carlton played very well for first half and then showed composure to first bog us down and then hold on in last quarter. New coach is making a difference. Does that remind us of a recent team? They feel like us last year (new coach = Pyke). Good on them. But I think like us last year, they do not have what it takes to win this year and opposition will study them carefully over the break. Will be interesting to see how they go next year.
2. Our defence got a free ride last year because oppositions couldn’t contain our attack. Oppositions have now figured out how to contain our attack and so our defence looks worse. Our defence is filled with very recently converted forwards/mids (both Macs, Blakey (though he is killing it), and Campbell. As other have noted, today we only had 2 long time defenders. It is going to take some time for things to gel.
3. People have noted that Carlton is younger than our team, while others have noted that they have had more time to roll over their list to find the right combos. I hate to say it, but I think we might need some time to find a set of true first 22 players.
4. Given I think we are a couple of years off, I think there is a big question on Buddy’s next contract. I think he should be on peanuts or out. I would like to see McLean (FF), Logan (CHF) and Amartey (second ruck) given time to develop as a core unit. I don’t think we can have McLean and Buddy in the same forward line next year as Buddy will be slower still. As many have said, Buddy could play on a wing, though not sure how accountable he would be.
5. I don’t like Heeney as a midfielder but I do like him roaming the ground. He is so good in open play everywhere. I think our structure should be based on 17 players and Henney should roam around wherever he can make the biggest difference. Add unpredictability to our best open play player and oppositions have a headache. To my first point, this would work better with a tighter defensive unit.
6. I previously remarked that we needed some blue on our guernsey to win more free kicks. Back to the drawing board on that one….
I think we need to accept that afl wants footy to be ‘dropaball’ and adapt accordingly. I think it is pathetic and would prefer the ‘ugly’ play of mid 00’s where men played as men and strength in the tackle and attempts to dispose the ball correctly were rewarded - but that is no longer the case (sad, as Kennedy was such a beautiful beast in Motion and could still be - hope his hammy is not the end of him).
This ping pong scrappy bull sh*t the game has turned into is not fun to watch - it’s also half the reason umpiring has become so contentious. It is so hard to get a clean possession that a free kick can make a huge difference to the game. It is becoming like soccer with players diving all over the place, including swans ducking on more than on occasion for a free kick last night (I didn’t mind the Carlton players getting in our face for this). I hate it, but that is the way any team needs to play to win nowadays.
If dropping the ball and having the ball knocked after prior opportunity were treated the same way as an incorrect disposal, the game would be much better. And if players were not punished for genuine attempts to dispose of the ball when they didn’t have prior opportunity, the game would be much better. And don’t get me started on players being rewarded for diving forward to create in the backs and ducking to create high tackles. If players wants to contribute to putting themselves in dangerous positions, they should not be rewarded. / End rant.
1. Carlton played very well for first half and then showed composure to first bog us down and then hold on in last quarter. New coach is making a difference. Does that remind us of a recent team? They feel like us last year (new coach = Pyke). Good on them. But I think like us last year, they do not have what it takes to win this year and opposition will study them carefully over the break. Will be interesting to see how they go next year.
2. Our defence got a free ride last year because oppositions couldn’t contain our attack. Oppositions have now figured out how to contain our attack and so our defence looks worse. Our defence is filled with very recently converted forwards/mids (both Macs, Blakey (though he is killing it), and Campbell. As other have noted, today we only had 2 long time defenders. It is going to take some time for things to gel.
3. People have noted that Carlton is younger than our team, while others have noted that they have had more time to roll over their list to find the right combos. I hate to say it, but I think we might need some time to find a set of true first 22 players.
4. Given I think we are a couple of years off, I think there is a big question on Buddy’s next contract. I think he should be on peanuts or out. I would like to see McLean (FF), Logan (CHF) and Amartey (second ruck) given time to develop as a core unit. I don’t think we can have McLean and Buddy in the same forward line next year as Buddy will be slower still. As many have said, Buddy could play on a wing, though not sure how accountable he would be.
5. I don’t like Heeney as a midfielder but I do like him roaming the ground. He is so good in open play everywhere. I think our structure should be based on 17 players and Henney should roam around wherever he can make the biggest difference. Add unpredictability to our best open play player and oppositions have a headache. To my first point, this would work better with a tighter defensive unit.
6. I previously remarked that we needed some blue on our guernsey to win more free kicks. Back to the drawing board on that one….
I think we need to accept that afl wants footy to be ‘dropaball’ and adapt accordingly. I think it is pathetic and would prefer the ‘ugly’ play of mid 00’s where men played as men and strength in the tackle and attempts to dispose the ball correctly were rewarded - but that is no longer the case (sad, as Kennedy was such a beautiful beast in Motion and could still be - hope his hammy is not the end of him).
This ping pong scrappy bull sh*t the game has turned into is not fun to watch - it’s also half the reason umpiring has become so contentious. It is so hard to get a clean possession that a free kick can make a huge difference to the game. It is becoming like soccer with players diving all over the place, including swans ducking on more than on occasion for a free kick last night (I didn’t mind the Carlton players getting in our face for this). I hate it, but that is the way any team needs to play to win nowadays.
If dropping the ball and having the ball knocked after prior opportunity were treated the same way as an incorrect disposal, the game would be much better. And if players were not punished for genuine attempts to dispose of the ball when they didn’t have prior opportunity, the game would be much better. And don’t get me started on players being rewarded for diving forward to create in the backs and ducking to create high tackles. If players wants to contribute to putting themselves in dangerous positions, they should not be rewarded. / End rant.
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Had time to gather some thoughts.
Geez the carlton crowd are a bunch of campaigners. There was a tonne of bandwagon fans there last night. What an embarassment of a club.
Logan McDonald, best game of his career so far. An arrival game. Puts the league on notice with that performance. He was moving extremely well, 10 marks mind you as well. That mark coming across Buddy was a bit of a "Move over Bud" moment.
Blakey solid again, he'd almost be top 3 B+F so far for us I reckon. He produced a really good game every week.
Warner was great again, the mongrel we need in the middle.
Happy with the McCartins. No FB was going to stop Charlie Curnow last night. He was off the chain.
And then us in general, ergh. I dont know. I'm in 2 minds of what to make of us this year. Our best and our worst is so far apart. Our worst was on show in the 2nd quarter, our best was on show in the 3rd quarter. Horse needs to do something. We just cannot keep giving teams 6/7 goal runs and expect to make it up. Not a good team like Carlton.
Felt finals like vibe last night. That wouldn't be out of place in a qualifiying final or a semi. They brought the heat in the middle. Our fitness clawed it back, but they were just too good and steadied.
Onto Richmond next week.
Geez the carlton crowd are a bunch of campaigners. There was a tonne of bandwagon fans there last night. What an embarassment of a club.
Logan McDonald, best game of his career so far. An arrival game. Puts the league on notice with that performance. He was moving extremely well, 10 marks mind you as well. That mark coming across Buddy was a bit of a "Move over Bud" moment.
Blakey solid again, he'd almost be top 3 B+F so far for us I reckon. He produced a really good game every week.
Warner was great again, the mongrel we need in the middle.
Happy with the McCartins. No FB was going to stop Charlie Curnow last night. He was off the chain.
And then us in general, ergh. I dont know. I'm in 2 minds of what to make of us this year. Our best and our worst is so far apart. Our worst was on show in the 2nd quarter, our best was on show in the 3rd quarter. Horse needs to do something. We just cannot keep giving teams 6/7 goal runs and expect to make it up. Not a good team like Carlton.
Felt finals like vibe last night. That wouldn't be out of place in a qualifiying final or a semi. They brought the heat in the middle. Our fitness clawed it back, but they were just too good and steadied.
Onto Richmond next week.
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Great post.
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And then re-signs to a 4 year contract.
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I really hope blakey is high in the b and f getting some recognition internally. He's copped his whacks in his short career so it's only fair he gets the recognition when he is producing like he is.
He is by far and away the best user we have and always makes the right decision. It seems like he matured over night. Whenever he has the pill I can take a sigh of relief because we know the ball is going to be lace out to someone in a swans jumper
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It's gonna take a good game from someone to get the rising star nod from Logan this week
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Just watched the Horse presser. Apparently we won 3 quarters! Yip damnd yippee!
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They said the same thing about Rachele after his 5 in round 1...
Doesn't matter if you get completely murdered in that quarter you lost.
I missed the 2nd half but the hot and cold nature of us is really frustrating. We should be doing a lot better than what we are but need to sort out that consistencey.
And contested ball work. Need a strong inside mid who will be with Mills, Warner, Gus, Rowbottom and co for years
We won the 1st - absorbed their pressure and took our opportunities to hit the scoreboard.. tick
lost the 2nd.. cross
won the 3rd - were the better team.. tick
won the fourth - were the better team.. tick (just needed to win it by more)
Thought Horses presser was good. Hes clearly not allowed to comment on the umpires, but very intelligently spoke about the free kicks letting everyone hear how shit the umps were, and without getting himself in trouble.
'free kicks were world record pace'; 'SOME, were there' etc etc
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