List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[TheLastEmperor]

Definitely sophisticated software.
The giveaway is that no-one actually barracks for GWS.

Possibly a virus presenting as a helpful program only to infect us all?

 

[IanW]

Possibly a virus presenting as a helpful program only to infect us all?

Generally when dumbshits present trade ideas of good, under-contract GWS players, I come back with a trade in reply that involves one of their club's good, young, under contract players, and they get huffy at the idea that, say, Henderson for Greene heads up is fair.

This is difficult with St Kilda, for obvious reasons, so I needed to concentrate on a set of deals that would get the #1 pick without giving up anything beyond the #4 picks that I'd consider as "assets"

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Generally when dumbshits present trade ideas of good, under-contract GWS players, I come back with a trade in reply that involves one of their club's good, young, under contract players, and they get huffy at the idea that, say, Henderson for Greene heads up is fair.

This is difficult with St Kilda, for obvious reasons, so I needed to concentrate on a set of deals that would get the #1 pick without giving up anything beyond the #4 picks that I'd consider as "assets"

Would you give us 3 for Jack Billings?

(joking!)

 

[IanW]

Would you give us 3 for Jack Billings?

(joking!)

For 3 ? Go ask on the Melbourne board, as that'll be their not-compo pick for losing Frawley for 2.5 over 5.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

For 3 ? Go ask on the Melbourne board, as that'll be their not-compo pick for losing Frawley for 2.5 over 5.

Theres no way the club or I would trade Billings I was only humouring you as you said other fans are trying to get your young, contracted players.

 

[IanW]

Theres no way the club or I would trade Billings I was only humouring you as you said other fans are trying to get your young, contracted players.

I know

The thing is, GWS' players are gettable - but the key is they have to want to go, and that probably means very large bags of cash, which then spins off a multi-club Dangerfield-style auction.

So it's not 'picks 7 and 14 - do you want it for Shiel', it means 'Carlton are going to offer Shiel $4m over 5 years'.

To respond to that, we need cap room, and while it's possible to trade for cap room, you need to have a player come over who is still being paid by his old club - and thats not often possible (hi Collingwood !).

 

[Barrels]

Ch7 reporting Liam Jones has told the Dogs he wants to leave and be traded to the Blues.

Having thanked God for his decision, I had a slight re-think;

If Waite stays, and Kruezer comes back to some kind of form, it leaves Carlscum with forwardline talls of Kruezer, Waite and Casboult, with Jones as a third tall and Henderson as a valuable swingman.

Not fashionable certainly, but potentially reasonably effective.

Still happy he's not coming 'here' though...

 

[kernelT]

Kruezer has had form in the past?
Seriously Jones Casboult and Henderson will need 30 shots on goal to kick a winning score.
Let us be thankful Jones chose them, let us also prey that they hold onto Malthouse.

 

[TS74]

Theres no way the club or I would trade Billings I was only humouring you as you said other fans are trying to get your young, contracted players.

That's the perfect example... If the roles were reversed and GWS had pick #1 and we had pick #4, no way would I want our club to entertain us trading either Billings or Jack Steven plus pick 4 to get Petracca!!
Petracca could be great, but Melbourne and the GWS thought the same about Scully too!!

 

[TheLastEmperor]

That's the perfect example... If the roles were reversed and GWS had pick #1 and we had pick #4, no way would I want our club to entertain us trading either Billings or Jack Steven plus pick 4 to get Petracca!!
Petracca could be great, but Melbourne and the GWS thought the same about Scully too!!

The difference is it's a unique set of circumstances at GWS with so many talented players at the one club meaning their managers will be getting ridiculous offers from rival clubs trying to pry them loose.

Point certainly taken, I would not want to lose Billings and a top 5 pick for pick 1. Its a stupid trade for GWS (Shiel & 3 for 1 as example) and not a proposal that would be generated by GWS. Shiel would need to request a trade and be very staunch in his stanch.

 

[IanW]

That's the perfect example... If the roles were reversed and GWS had pick #1 and we had pick #4, no way would I want our club to entertain us trading either Billings or Jack Steven plus pick 4 to get Petracca!!
Petracca could be great, but Melbourne and the GWS thought the same about Scully too!!

To be fair, part of that is Billings is one of your few young players with a lot of trade currency, while there's a bunch of very highly rated GWS kids. Naturally, we want to keep them all, and equally naturally theres speculation we cant fit them all in our salary cap. GWS' strategy for keeping them has been to 1. have them live in each others pockets, so they become mates with each other and the club itself becomes home, and 2. Be as loyal as it can to the players, for example by giving Patton a 2 year extention when he blows his third knee in two years.

Therefore, we dont shop players who dont want to go, and if they do want to go then we take unders to get them a good fit (ie we knocked back 41 for Aylett so we could trade Aylett and Edwards for 48, because we wanted them both to continue their footy career).

This makes putting together the package to go from #4 to #1 difficult, as St Kilda will rightly want to be paid for the first pick.

 

[kernelT]

To be fair, part of that is Billings is one of your few young players with a lot of trade currency, while there's a bunch of very highly rated GWS kids. Naturally, we want to keep them all, and equally naturally theres speculation we cant fit them all in our salary cap. GWS' strategy for keeping them has been to 1. have them live in each others pockets, so they become mates with each other and the club itself becomes home, and 2. Be as loyal as it can to the players, for example by giving Patton a 2 year extention when he blows his third knee in two years.

Therefore, we dont shop players who dont want to go, and if they do want to go then we take unders to get them a good fit (ie we knocked back 41 for Aylett so we could trade Aylett and Edwards for 48, because we wanted them both to continue their footy career).

This makes putting together the package to go from #4 to #1 difficult, as St Kilda will rightly want to be paid for the first pick.

Although it always seemed highly unlikely, what kind of deal do you think it would have taken last year to get pick 1/Boyd?

 

[joop]

Having thanked God for his decision, I had a slight re-think;

If Waite leaves, and Kruezer comes back to some kind of form, it leaves Carlscum with forwardline talls of Kruezer, Waite and Casboult, with Jones as a third tall and Henderson as a valuable swingman.

Not fashionable certainly, but potentially reasonably effective.

Still happy he's not coming 'here' though...

Do you mean a forward line of Kruezer, Henderson & Jones?
Fwiw I know Waite is 100% goneski, trying to get to the roos.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Also depends on if a particular GWS kid wants out or not...Shiel rumours have been circulating all season.

In that circumstance, 1 -> 4 & Shiel would be considered at the least.

 

[IanW]

Although it always seemed highly unlikely, what kind of deal do you think it would have taken last year to get pick 1/Boyd?

I think we were trying to get a very good established player - the sort of player that has a 50/50 chance of getting very cranky if they get hinted to if they'd like to go play at GWS (hello Crazy Vossy !).

 

[Feerits Elf]

If Waite leaves, it leaves Carlscum with Waite

 

[IanW]

Also depends on if a particular GWS kid wants out or not...Shiel rumours have been circulating all season.

In that circumstance, 1 -> 4 & Shiel would be considered at the least.

Well, someone needs to man up and go offer young Mr Shiel a very large bag of cash, the same way Danger and Beams have been tapped up.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

To try to get away from the GWS snooze fest, if we do end up with pick 4 or similar, I hope we put in a bid on Darcy Moore. He's finished off the year as the most in form tall & seems to have all the tools to be a very good AFL player in time.

It would also test out the ridiculous line that Collingwood are sprouting out about not taking him if they rank him lower that #8.

Best case scenario we draft a super talented 200cm key forward...worse case the Pies have to use their 1st pick on him. Thoughts?

 

[God Save Max King]

I don't see Weller's name in there anywhere, what is going on?! It's all just De Goey. Pick 4: De Goey, Pick 7: De Goey, Pick 16: De Goey.

Rahul, what are your thoughts on De Goey

Why no Weller at 16?

I think he's in between both picks to be honest. I'll be slightly disappointed if we had 4 picks in the 1st 22 and came away without one of Jordy or Lever.

To try to get away from the GWS snooze fest, if we do end up with pick 4 or similar, I hope we put in a bid on Darcy Moore. He's finished off the year as the most in form tall & seems to have all the tools to be a very good AFL player in time.

It would also test out the ridiculous line that Collingwood are sprouting out about not taking him if they rank him lower that #8.

Best case scenario we draft a super talented 200cm key forward...worse case the Pies have to use their 1st pick on him. Thoughts?

Bidding occurs before the trading period unfortunately. I would bid on him at #1 to piss off the Pies.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The other thing that comes into play here is not only how much do GWS rate and want Petracca, but also how much they rate those that are likely to go around pick 4 in the draft (assuming Melbourne have 2 and 3). So if they are hell-bent on Petracca, it may not only be that they love him, but may also be that, combined with them not rating those likely to go around no. 4 and/or them not fitting their needs. Perhaps they only really rate the top 3? Brayshaw is considered a certainty to be gone by 4, so that would pretty much mean that at 4 they'd be looking at yet another "project tall" to play in the NEAFL and they might be feeling like it's time to hit the "go" button, hence much preferring to go after Petracca and being willing to give up a lot in order to do so.

 

[IanW]

The other thing that comes into play here is not only how much do GWS rate and want Petracca, but also how much they rate those that are likely to go around pick 4 in the draft (assuming Melbourne have 2 and 3). So if they are hell-bent on Petracca, it may not only be that they love him, but may also be that, combined with them not rating those likely to go around no. 4 and/or them not fitting their needs. Perhaps they only really rate the top 3? Brayshaw is considered a certainty to be gone by 4, so that would pretty much mean that at 4 they'd be looking at yet another "project tall" to play in the NEAFL and they might be feeling like it's time to hit the "go" button, hence much preferring to go after Petracca and being willing to give up a lot in order to do so.

You need six props - two to play, two to be injured and two to be suspended.

The other thing is KPFs need time to build muscle - it's incredibly rare for them to be ready to play fresh out of the box.

And you never know what you have until a couple of years later.

TLDR : Yeah, Im fine with the Giants collecting Wright or McCartin, and tossing them into the NEAFL for a couple of years.

 

[Barrels]

Whoops!

Do you mean a forward line of Kruezer, Henderson & Jones?
Fwiw I know Waite is 100% goneski, trying to get to the roos.

I did mean stays, but your mail makes it a moot point, huh!

 

[Murraj1966]

God damnit, I take one day away playing FIFA 15, and all of a sudden Shiel is rowing down St Kilda beach in a rowboat blaring "The Saints Go Marching In" from a boombox?

Pick 1 for 4 and Shiel is so damn good.

 

[Joffaboy]

I really don't understand all this, asking too much or such and such wont get it done for #1.

Focusing on GWS, ball is in their court. Make an offer. If it aint overs you don't get Petracca.

Really its that simple.

We sit back and look at the offers. At days end if it is not in the Saints best interest, we take Petracca or whomever we want @ #1.

So its not up to the Saints, its up to GWS or Sydney, or Adelaide or whomever to come up with a trade.

As I said ball in your court not ours.

 

[dewah07]

I really don't understand all this, asking too much or such and such wont get it done for #1.

Focusing on GWS, ball is in their court. Make an offer. If it aint overs you don't get Petracca.

Really its that simple.

We sit back and look at the offers. At days end if it is not in the Saints best interest, we take Petracca or whomever we want @ #1.

So its not up to the Saints, its up to GWS or Sydney, or Adelaide or whomever to come up with a trade.

As I said ball in your court not ours.

This is assuming peltch wants to use pick 1, he may want to cash it in for more picks