Universal Love 2016/2017 Pre-season Thread

[1970crow]

It's not about breaking down, if he's going to break down he shouldn't be playing. It's about bringing Brad getting some touch before being exposed to the level. We played him too early last year and had to drop him back, were not going to make that mistake again.

He actually wasn't too bad in rounds 1 and 2, picking up low 20's touches. I think he even polled b&f votes from memory in one of the games. He was awful after coming back from his hammy a few weeks later though. But he wasn't that bad rounds 1 & 2.

 

[DD#23]

No both in the AFL

 

[Redleg Crow]

has anyone had a look at this one?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-11/whos-in-the-furnace-coach-pressure-rankings-for-2017


found that interesting, just a different way of saying "at a club that thinks its realistic to contend for a premiership every single year." isn't it?

I don't think we are historically impatient.
This century:

Ayres and 5 years
Craig had 7 1/2
Sanderson had 3

Sando was the only real short timer.

Even going back - Shaw was given 3 years. No way is Pyke under any more pressure than any other coach

 

[DD#23]

I don't think we are historically impatient.
This century:

Ayres and 5 years
Craig had 7 1/2
Sanderson had 3

Sando was the only real short timer.

Even going back - Shaw was given 3 years. No way is Pyke under any more pressure than any other coach

when was the last time one of our coaches has not said "we want to/expect to play finals" at the start of the year?

 

[dogs105]

I don't think we are historically impatient.
This century:

Ayres and 5 years
Craig had 7 1/2
Sanderson had 3

Sando was the only real short timer.

Even going back - Shaw was given 3 years. No way is Pyke under any more pressure than any other coach

Shaw had 2.

 

[ad victoriam]

And possibly his match fitness base, so that he isn't running around aimlessly, fumbling the ball, and kicking it directly to opponents, which is why he was dropped

And he not going to get a lot of match fitness running around in 2 SANFL trial games, the first serious hit the SANFL get is April 9th = round 3 AFL.
Also, we tend to forget 2016 he was coming from a 2 game year in 2015 or 2 competitive games in 18 months, While this year he coming from a base that saw him play 21 games of Football in 2016 including the last 12 games in the AFL side.
they will play him when he is deemed fit enough.

 

[NTRabbit]

And he not going to get a lot of match fitness running around in 2 SANFL trial games

That was the excuse people made last season for his awful games in round 1, 2, 7, and 8. It didn't fly then, and it doesn't now.

 

[ad victoriam]

That was the excuse people made last season for his awful games in round 1, 2, 7, and 8. It didn't fly then, and it doesn't now.

Maybe for you but luckily for us, some can see the difference in circumstances between last year and this year and make their decisions on what they see this year.

 

[NTRabbit]

Maybe for you but luckily for us, some can see the difference in circumstances between last year and this year and make their decisions on what they see this year.

There is no difference in circumstances. The only change from last year is that he didn't get a club imposed ban on the final trial game, he was just injured the whole time instead. There's no way in the world he should be anywhere near selection for round 1, and they will have learned absolutely nothing if they pick him.

 

[Vader]

found that interesting, just a different way of saying "at a club that thinks its realistic to contend for a premiership every single year." isn't it?

No Adelaide coach has survived after missing the finals for 3 consecutive years. Cornes is the only coach to have survived after missing for 2 consecutive seasons (91 & 92) - and he took us to a PF in 93.

Cornes - missed finals in 91,92, PF in 93, missed finals in 94 - sacked
Shaw - missed finals in 95, 96 - sacked
Blight - premierships in 97, 98, retired in 99
Ayres - missed finals in 2000, finals in 01, 02, 03, quit (before being sacked) after missing finals in 04
Craig - finals in 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, missed finals in 10, sacked after missing finals in 11
Sanderson - finals in 12, missed finals in 13, sacked after missing finals in 14
Walsh & Bickley - finals in 15
Pyke - finals in 16

Those are not the actions of a club which is accepting of mediocrity. Those are the actions of a club where success is both demanded and expected.

 

[Vader]

I don't think we are historically impatient.
This century:

Ayres and 5 years
Craig had 7 1/2
Sanderson had 3

Sando was the only real short timer.

Even going back - Shaw was given 3 years. No way is Pyke under any more pressure than any other coach

They're given time while they continue to make the finals. Miss the finals for consecutive years and it's all over red rover.

 

[Bicks]

Sanders Against a midfield of Josh Kennedy, Luke Parker, Dan Henneberry etc etc and it was perennial Finalists Sydney this time...


And actually it was 28 disposals and 12 tackles...

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/jlt-community-series/2017/4/stk-v-syd

After a full pre-season, tough nut David Armitage looks likely to bounce back from an inconsistent 2016 after he won 27 disposals. His work in the contest, alongside Jack Steven (28 disposals) and Jack Steele (27) means Alan Richardson will have an imposing midfield unit. Jack Steele made sure his tackles were felt and won plenty of the ball.

BEST
St Kilda: Hickey, Armitage, Roberton, Steven, Steele, Savage
Sydney: Kennedy, Jones, Robinson, Parker, Franklin, Tippett

 

[Elite Crow]

That was the excuse people made last season for his awful games in round 1, 2, 7, and 8. It didn't fly then, and it doesn't now.

How did you think Matt went yesterday?

 

[NTRabbit]

How did you think Matt went yesterday?

Haven't seen any of the game, flicked the Telstra live stuff on at the Belgian Bar just in time to see a close up of Daniel Talia walking off the ground at half time, decided beer and company was better entertainment. Was planning to watch the replay on youtube later tonight

 

[Elite Crow]

Haven't seen any of the game, flicked the Telstra live stuff on at the Belgian Bar just in time to see a close up of Daniel Talia walking off the ground at half time, decided beer and company was better entertainment. Was planning to watch the replay on youtube later tonight

Look out for some decent kicks, getting the ball out to runners, played very well, I think even you will rate his game.

 

[Samcro24]

Haven't seen any of the game, flicked the Telstra live stuff on at the Belgian Bar just in time to see a close up of Daniel Talia walking off the ground at half time, decided beer and company was better entertainment. Was planning to watch the replay on youtube later tonight

Inb4 crouch was shite.

 

[ad victoriam]

There is no difference in circumstances. The only change from last year is that he didn't get a club imposed ban on the final trial game, he was just injured the whole time instead. There's no way in the world he should be anywhere near selection for round 1, and they will have learned absolutely nothing if they pick him.

And Like I said luckily for us, some can see the difference in circumstances between last year and this year and make their decisions on what they see this year.

 

[Bicks]

Look out for some decent kicks, getting the ball out to runners, played very well, I think even you will rate his game.

Wishful thinking...

 

[Elite Crow]

And Like I said luckily for us, some can see the difference in circumstances between last year and this year and make their decisions on what they see this year.

He hasn't played a game, playing him in the AFL would be a very risky move, he needs to find some touch.

 

[DD#23]

No Adelaide coach has survived after missing the finals for 3 consecutive years. Cornes is the only coach to have survived after missing for 2 consecutive seasons (91 & 92) - and he took us to a PF in 93.

Cornes - missed finals in 91,92, PF in 93, missed finals in 94 - sacked
Shaw - missed finals in 95, 96 - sacked
Blight - premierships in 97, 98, retired in 99
Ayres - missed finals in 2000, finals in 01, 02, 03, quit (before being sacked) after missing finals in 04
Craig - finals in 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, missed finals in 10, sacked after missing finals in 11
Sanderson - finals in 12, missed finals in 13, sacked after missing finals in 14
Walsh & Bickley - finals in 15
Pyke - finals in 16

Those are not the actions of a club which is accepting of mediocrity. Those are the actions of a club where success is both demanded and expected.

making finals and accepting mediocrity are not mutually exclusive terms.

 

[NTRabbit]

And Like I said luckily for us, some can see the difference in circumstances between last year and this year and make their decisions on what they see this year.

Yeah I don't actually need to have seen the game to tell you that Brad didn't play at all, nor did he played the first two trial games, nor was he apparently in the intraclub game, nor has he been on anything but a modified program since December, which is essentially identical to his 2016 preseason, perhaps with even less practise game time this year

He should not be in selection discussion for round 1.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Inb4 crouch was shite.

Bwahahahahaha.


Bwahahahahaha.

 

[ad victoriam]

He hasn't played a game, playing him in the AFL would be a very risky move, he needs to find some touch.

If they deem him fit enough they will pick him, Same as Sloane. Brad is better of with competitive training than SANFL trial games, Or will we be happy for him to get 30 touches in a SANFL trial game and call that match fitness. The first real SANFL hit out is on April 8th.
Remember they decide not to play him this week in order to more mile in his legs.

Yeah I don't actually need to have seen the game to tell you that Brad didn't play at all, nor did he played the first two trial games, nor was he apparently in the intraclub game, nor has he been on anything but a modified program since December, which is essentially identical to his 2016 preseason, perhaps with even less practise game time this year

He should not be in selection discussion for round 1.

He not on a Modified program he is currently undertaking a heavy fitness load, ie mini pre-season to get him ready to play.
If they deem him fit enough he will play, whether you want a discussion about or refuse to is up to you.

 

[Samcro24]

No Adelaide coach has survived after missing the finals for 3 consecutive years. Cornes is the only coach to have survived after missing for 2 consecutive seasons (91 & 92) - and he took us to a PF in 93.

Cornes - missed finals in 91,92, PF in 93, missed finals in 94 - sacked
Shaw - missed finals in 95, 96 - sacked
Blight - premierships in 97, 98, retired in 99
Ayres - missed finals in 2000, finals in 01, 02, 03, quit (before being sacked) after missing finals in 04
Craig - finals in 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, missed finals in 10, sacked after missing finals in 11
Sanderson - finals in 12, missed finals in 13, sacked after missing finals in 14
Walsh & Bickley - finals in 15
Pyke - finals in 16

Those are not the actions of a club which is accepting of mediocrity. Those are the actions of a club where success is both demanded and expected.

"Success"

 

[NTRabbit]

He not on a Modified program he is currently undertaking a heavy fitness load, ie mini pre-season to get him ready to play.
If they deem him fit enough he will play, whether you want a discussion about or refuse to is up to you.

He's been on a modified program all year. Taking a heavy fitness load in a mini-preseason is a modified program

Or will we be happy for him to get 30 touches in a SANFL trial game and call that match fitness.

Better to get 35 touches 3 weeks in a row in the reserves in any capacity and find - and prove he has - match fitness than start the AFL season with 4 weeks in a row of 18 touches, a mass of ordinary to diabolical turnovers, and no defensive running.