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Analysis 2016 AFL Trade Week Thread
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TheFVK
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Pretty clear I would have thought, this thread was a funeral due to our trades yet in the end they've at a minimum netted us SPP, who as it's now widely known will net us at least 3 Brownlows and a COleman.. Unless you deny this undeniable truth and still feel crap and gutted?
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I knew it was a massive overreaction back then
It was a gamble which, by the looks of things, is already starting to pay off
It was a gamble which, by the looks of things, is already starting to pay off
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The thing is that it wasn't nearly as much of a gamble when we took the players we did in the draft.
It is looking like we bamboozled everyone at this stage.
Forzaport
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I'm still baffled that we managed to draft SPP AND Marshall AND Atley AND Drew.
We gambled and hit the jackpot (in terms of who we wanted to draft).
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It's a bit disingenuous though since these quotes are in reaction to the first trade with GC and Brisbane, not the trade period as a whole.
The subsequent eleventh-hour trade with Sydney made things look a lot better and most posters (myself included) reigned in the criticism after that. Without this second trade the pick we used on SPP stays two spots further back, and the pick we used on Drew ends up somewhere in the early 50s.
So SPP is possibly a Swan (god helps us) and straight away the trade isn't looking so rosy, is it? We probably get our hands on Hayward though, or maybe we just go with 'next best mid' whoever that may be (Atley? lol). We definitely wouldn't have Drew.
Also are we still 2-0 in this scenario, playing against SwanPP in round one? Maybe not. We're probably 1-1 and feeling a little more uneasy about the fate of our 2017 1st rounder with Brisbane posters doing cartwheels in their 'Death-riding Port' thread.
Anyway all I'm saying is the world looks a whole lot different with that second trade.
tl;dr - you're quoting is Advertiser journo-tier and that's how you sliding doors Barratt you bespectacled bitch!
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We got lucky in the draft. We were dead set on SPP and picked him at 9 which im sure we would have
We gambled he'd still be there at 18 and luckily he was. If the plan was to get SPP all along and someone snapped him up at 12 or 13 then that egg on face would be relevant
Gambles sometimes work...sometimes you get ****ed
We got lucky in the draft. We were dead set on SPP and picked him at 9 which im sure we would have
We gambled he'd still be there at 18 and luckily he was. If the plan was to get SPP all along and someone snapped him up at 12 or 13 then that egg on face would be relevant
Gambles sometimes work...sometimes you get ****ed
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I posted this in the Micheal Voss midfield manager thread but it is relevant to our trades. In the jumper presentation video George Costanza says this in reference to the first time he and the coaches saw SPP play, "... from that moment on the club started to look at its draft strategy and trade strategy to make sure we got you into the club ...".
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Summary - everyone was wrong about everything.
What is a gamble to some, is a bold, decisive move to others!
When the club was being slammed for being indecisive and wishy-washy, they made this call, which they were slammed for, but has proved to be brilliant!
Gamble? Lucky? .... Well, in football the old truism "you make your own luck" applies IMO. Hearing the back story, we have been all over this lad & watching for some time. Come the trade & draft time, it seems the club had not only done it's dd on SPP, but they had also done all the necessary dd on what the other clubs were going to do. So they had a good idea he would fall to us, so much so, that they went for Marshall first, still feeling confident that SPP would fall to our pick.
Gamble? Luck? ...... NO! Let's give credit where credit is due!
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Whys my posts not quoted? I loved our trade period at the time. We went all in with this group when most wanted a semi rebuild. **** the haters.
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Still a little confused with the trade that we did with the Swans. At the time we had 9, 19, 30 and 49 and we ended up with 14, 17, 30 and 31(before academy and f/s adjustments). We were fortunate in that SPP fell to our pick, I expected him to go by 10 at the latest. And by the time you get to the 30s and 40s picking the difference between draftees can be a bit of a lottery. If both Atley and Drew do well for us then that pick swap will have worked.
Just been reading some stuff about Berry as a possible in for the Lions. It seems from what he's shown so far in the NEAFL he may have been a passable second prize if the Lions had taken SPP. Although with the track record teams from the eastern states have taking kids from WA, they might have been taking that into account.
Just been reading some stuff about Berry as a possible in for the Lions. It seems from what he's shown so far in the NEAFL he may have been a passable second prize if the Lions had taken SPP. Although with the track record teams from the eastern states have taking kids from WA, they might have been taking that into account.
Janus
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We didn't gamble at all.
In the Q&A I attended with Kern on Friday, he said that the plan was always to draft SPP and he was our number one pick. However, we knew that no one else rated him as highly as we did for whatever reason, so we set about maximizing the return for our first round pick by trading it out and doing the same with our first round pick for this year (2017) because the consensus was that we couldn't possibly be as bad as we were in 2016 because the circumstances that we couldn't control (i.e Ryder getting suspended, injuries) wouldn't be there.
Clubs talk to each other about who they are targeting and how they rate various players to get a feel if they are going down the right path. Parker assured Kern that SPP would still be there at 18 when we drafted Marshall - but Marshall wouldn't have been there at 18 if we had gone for SPP because Brisbane would have taken him.
You may well be right, however I suspect that whoever we drafted Kern would have said the same thing about. No club admits their high draft picks are not who they wanted in the first place, even though that has to be the case.
Janus
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He said they decided to draft him ever since they saw him live during the trip to Perth to play Fremantle last year.
TheFVK
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I'm still baffled that we managed to draft SPP AND Marshall AND Atley AND Drew.
We gambled and hit the jackpot (in terms of who we wanted to draft).
For sure the quoting is disingenuous, I was scratching my head about the trades too and still think we could have got more than the picks we settled for. Still makes for highly amusing reading though
Brisbane thread on death riding Port is up there too.
Would not surprise me if he is, this guy is a serious footballer imo.
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The ONLY team to speak to SPP about drafting him - other than us - was WCE, in fact they committed to actually taking him!
Parker would have know that they didn't rate him as highly as Venables!and that he was going to slip to us.
We all know that kens wish list was a tall forward to replace Schulz and Butch and a ready to go big bodied inside mid... specifically SPP and quality ball users with the late picks.
The trade of picks we done in the 11th hour was calculated to maximise the value of the limited picks we actually had and in reality for a full time list and recruiting manager it a wasn't much of a gamble at all!
Parker would have know that they didn't rate him as highly as Venables!and that he was going to slip to us.
We all know that kens wish list was a tall forward to replace Schulz and Butch and a ready to go big bodied inside mid... specifically SPP and quality ball users with the late picks.
The trade of picks we done in the 11th hour was calculated to maximise the value of the limited picks we actually had and in reality for a full time list and recruiting manager it a wasn't much of a gamble at all!
Nothings changed. We should have traded players and kept next years pick. Hartlett had trace currency and one foot out the door, now he's a surplus half back along with Krakouer, Houston & Bonner.
Still, it's nice to know Brisbane wont be taking a top 5 pick off us.
Still, it's nice to know Brisbane wont be taking a top 5 pick off us.
Have to agree, the kid is fearless. His appetite and hunger for the contest would be equal to SPP. Wines, SPP & Atley could potentially be the best & most dominating midfield group the club has ever assembled. Throw in mad dog Billy Frampton as a wildcard, and it's a bonafide wet dream.
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For sure the quoting is disingenuous, I was scratching my head about the trades too and still think we could have got more than the picks we settled for. Still makes for highly amusing reading though
Brisbane thread on death riding Port is up there too.
Ah you scallywag!
