2016 Draft Thread - The Rebuild Begins

[Scham]

I too am cautious about English. Jack Hannath is also a lovely kick off the footy and he would probably look pretty nimble if he weighed only 84kgs. If we add 20kgs to English's frame I'm worried he will lose the attributes that see him rated highly.

Jack would've been 14 when he last weighed 84kgs.

 

[simpsonwillo]

I too am cautious about English. Jack Hannath is also a lovely kick off the footy and he would probably look pretty nimble if he weighed only 84kgs. If we add 20kgs to English's frame I'm worried he will lose the attributes that see him rated highly.

There's no comparison sorry. English can run like the wind and is very good at ground level. Hannath was very slow and robotic like.

 

[meima]

I would like to think english as mid /ruck , rather than ruck/mid. Expectation will be far less for him in this case. Need to take into consideration that he will like to play as mid if not because he suddenly grow taller

 

[theGav56]

I would think English would develop his ruck skills, and not necessarily project as n elite specialist ruck, but more as a player who can impact around the contest. A hybrid tall. That is what players such as Buddy, Bontepelli and Biclavs are. I know his name doesn't start with B.... but he sounds exciting.

I am happy with any of the 3 WA boys. Also Ainsworth.

 

[meima]

I would think English would develop his ruck skills, and not necessarily project as n elite specialist ruck, but more as a player who can impact around the contest. A hybrid tall. That is what players such as Buddy, Bontepelli and Biclavs are. I know his name doesn't start with B.... but he sounds exciting.

I am happy with any of the 3 WA boys. Also Ainsworth.

On the same page , ainsworth is pretty good.

 

[yakka man]

There's no comparison sorry. English can run like the wind and is very good at ground level. Hannath was very slow and robotic like.

If you properly read my post you would see that the point was that bulking English up by 20kgs will greatly dininish his flexibility and agility. Seeing as he was dead last in the whole draft camp for agility this concerns me and I think pick 7 is a risk for English.

If you compare his athletic qualities with Zac Clarke, English is far behind in vertical leap and likely other areas. We all know how the bulking phase has gone for Clarke with the added stress on his body.

 

[Docker82]

Are great rucks really that important? None of the best teams from 2016 seemed to rely on them.

I suspect our recruiters are weighing it all up and if they decide English is the best option then I'll support him but it does seem a massive gamble with our first decent pick in ages. Lots can change in the next few weeks though.

Look great ruckmen may not necessarily be important but if Clarke doesn't massively improve his game up to 2013/14 levels we'll get destroyed in there. That's a problem. Even those rucks who aren't that great have a point of difference (Roughead) or at worst just compete well enough to limit the damage. I'm afraid Clarke at this stage does neither and we won't win a premiership with him as your number one ruck.

I think most people are against English because he's a ruck. About ten teams are disappointed at overlooking Grundy for the same reason only four years ago. If he's the best prospect pick him FFS. We wouldn't be considering him if he wasn't in our top 20 of even top 10. It's not a reach for needs/desperation etc. He's rated at about this mark by a lot of clubs. He's around the mark as best available let alone taking needs into consideration as well.


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[mad4freo]

On quality or phantom draft?

quality

 

[Rion]

Look great ruckmen may not necessarily be important but if Clarke doesn't massively improve his game up to 2013/14 levels we'll get destroyed in there. That's a problem. Even those rucks who aren't that great have a point of difference (Roughead) or at worst just compete well enough to limit the damage. I'm afraid Clarke at this stage does neither and we won't win a premiership with him as your number one ruck.

I think most people are against English because he's a ruck. About ten teams are disappointed at overlooking Grundy for the same reason only four years ago. If he's the best prospect pick him FFS. We wouldn't be considering him if he wasn't in our top 20 of even top 10. It's not a reach for needs/desperation etc. He's rated at about this mark by a lot of clubs. He's around the mark as best available let alone taking needs into consideration as well.


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Worst comes to worse and we can't find a ruckman in Clarke/later draft picks we trade away some picks for a Naismith/Nankervis type that compete well but aren't in that Sandi/Gawn bracket. It seems to me that it's possible to pick up a gun ruck at a later pick/rookie (Gawn, Sandi/Goldy/Cox etc) while getting those classy mid's is much harder.

 

[meima]

If your game plan is based purely on stoppage after stoppage yes , freo need a ruckmen urgently . If your game plan based on centre corridors and good convertion and rebounds from HB . A conventional ruckmen is not required . Dont think english is mummy or sandi type of ruckmen .

 

[theGav56]

If you properly read my post you would see that the point was that bulking English up by 20kgs will greatly dininish his flexibility and agility. Seeing as he was dead last in the whole draft camp for agility this concerns me and I think pick 7 is a risk for English.

If you compare his athletic qualities with Zac Clarke, English is far behind in vertical leap and likely other areas. We all know how the bulking phase has gone for Clarke with the added stress on his body.

His body will take a beating even just during preseason. Smacking up against Griffin and Sandilands in the friendliest of joists would be daunting at his weight.

 

[simpsonwillo]

If you properly read my post you would see that the point was that bulking English up by 20kgs will greatly dininish his flexibility and agility. Seeing as he was dead last in the whole draft camp for agility this concerns me and I think pick 7 is a risk for English.

If you compare his athletic qualities with Zac Clarke, English is far behind in vertical leap and likely other areas. We all know how the bulking phase has gone for Clarke with the added stress on his body.

I know what you are saying but they are completely different types of builds even at the same weight IMO and English would still move a lot better as he is more athletic. Yes he could be a risk but I have the feeling he could be something special also. No offense but I still don't think you can compare the two.

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

Best available. We're not in a position to take a risk on a development ruck who appears to be top 10 as he's the only quality ruckman in the draft.

I'd rather wait and poach a developed ruck through free agency in a year or two and use our first pick in a ready to go mid with pace.

 

[theGav56]

Best available. We're not in a position to take a risk on a development ruck who appears to be top 10 as he's the only quality ruckman in the draft.

I'd rather wait and poach a developed ruck through free agency in a year or two and use our first pick in a ready to go mid with pace.

Historically we have developed rucks and traded for KPPs. Been successful.

 

[wayToGo_]

Look great ruckmen may not necessarily be important but if Clarke doesn't massively improve his game up to 2013/14 levels we'll get destroyed in there. That's a problem. Even those rucks who aren't that great have a point of difference (Roughead) or at worst just compete well enough to limit the damage. I'm afraid Clarke at this stage does neither and we won't win a premiership with him as your number one ruck.

I think most people are against English because he's a ruck. About ten teams are disappointed at overlooking Grundy for the same reason only four years ago. If he's the best prospect pick him FFS. We wouldn't be considering him if he wasn't in our top 20 of even top 10. It's not a reach for needs/desperation etc. He's rated at about this mark by a lot of clubs. He's around the mark as best available let alone taking needs into consideration as well.

I agree English could turn into a gun and the clubs that didn't pick him might regret it but the same happens most years. There is always someone further up the draft you could have taken with one of your earlier picks that ends up being better (eg Fyfe @ #20).

I personally think we need skills and class inside and off half back more than we need a potentially gun ruck but I also rate Clarke higher than a lot on here and think he has the tools to be what we need in a #1 ruck. Blakely is obviously clearly better than that Lamb guy the other mob took instead of him but unlike others I don't think he is the Mundy replacement at all. Similar bigger body, without the class and defensive capability, but with some ball winning dynamism that Mundy doesn't have. If Grey, Deluca or De Boer had Mundy's disposal they'd be perfect inside mids for us. SPS has the defensive pressure of a Grey/Deluca/De Boer but with classier disposal than almost anyone on our list. If he is up for grabs at pick #7 and we don't take him my head might literally explode. If he's not, which is likely, then English would be far from the worst choice. It's going to be a tense first round of the draft for me

 

[meima]

So much of english ,take a rest now
My preference

1) sps
2) ainsworth ( if he is so good might get back two first round pick if he want to go home)
3) logue ( like everything he do ,speed , intercept mark and the hair)
4) english ( love this guy as mid / ruck but too much controversial). I think adelaide will be silly not to pick him if he do drop to pick 13.

 

[yakka man]

I know what you are saying but they are completely different types of builds even at the same weight IMO and English would still move a lot better as he is more athletic. Yes he could be a risk but I have the feeling he could be something special also. No offense but I still don't think you can compare the two.

Fair enough, it wasn't meant as a deep comparison. English just seems a bit one dimensional to me.

 

[salim malik]

I agree English could turn into a gun and the clubs that didn't pick him might regret it but the same happens most years. There is always someone further up the draft you could have taken with one of your earlier picks that ends up being better (eg Fyfe @ #20).

I personally think we need skills and class inside and off half back more than we need a potentially gun ruck but I also rate Clarke higher than a lot on here and think he has the tools to be what we need in a #1 ruck. Blakely is obviously clearly better than that Lamb guy the other mob took instead of him but unlike others I don't think he is the Mundy replacement at all. Similar bigger body, without the class and defensive capability, but with some ball winning dynamism that Mundy doesn't have. If Grey, Deluca or De Boer had Mundy's disposal they'd be perfect inside mids for us. SPS has the defensive pressure of a Grey/Deluca/De Boer but with classier disposal than almost anyone on our list. If he is up for grabs at pick #7 and we don't take him my head might literally explode. If he's not, which is likely, then English would be far from the worst choice. It's going to be a tense first round of the draft for me

Balic has the tools to be that Mundy ,Pendles type mid. He is some one I am really excited about.

 

[yakka man]

Balic has the tools to be that Mundy ,Pendles type mid. He is some one I am really excited about.

I'm excited about all of them. I've been watching some of this year's replays (only the wins so far) and Tucker really looked solid and ran the games out really well. Weller in the Bulldogs game was absolutely excellent. Blakely has toughness, intensity and keeps his feet. Hopefully we can see more of Balic and Langdon next year.

 

[Paracleet]

Balic has the tools to be that Mundy ,Pendles type mid. He is some one I am really excited about.

He is a very smooth mover and and we made out like bandits getting him so low and having his wrist seemingly recover. To me though his kicking is not up with Mundy or Pendlebury. Jobe Watson is a better comparison I reckon.

 

[scon]

Callum Twomey:may have been posted before??
Draft prospects: Tim English

 

[mightymouse75]

Callum Twomey:may have been posted before??
Draft prospects: Tim English

OK. English it is then. Just get this pre season rubbish over with please xd

 

[meima]

OK. English it is then. Just get this pre season rubbish over with please xd

I still want logue .

 

[clivenator26]

Can someone clarify in the trade for pick 35 we made for our future 2nd round, did we also get the Suns 4th rounder? I see this on the locked sticky'd draft thread title, and also on the afl website that it was linked to the J Lyons trade?

 

[meima]

Can someone clarify in the trade for pick 35 we made for our future 2nd round, did we also get the Suns 4th rounder? I see this on the locked sticky'd draft thread title, and also on the afl website that it was linked to the J Lyons trade?

Yup next year fourth round.