List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

[Red mist]

Imo it's not the year to convert picks as we are missing a 2nd rounder.

Yeah but you add say Douglas to the other three I mentioned and we get into the second round. Possibly 2 second rounders.

 

[Crowked]

Possibly - that's what it'd take.

I'd rather keep what we have and roll draft dice on the pick.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yeah but you add say Douglas to the other three I mentioned and we get into the second round. Possibly 2 second rounders.

But we have too many players to replace, so would need to go deep in the draft unless we upgrade plenty of rookies.

 

[Vhaluus]

No it's not - we all witnessed how he kept the playing group together.

Sometimes I wonder what goes through your brain...

Mate they are grown men, not a bunch of little boys.

Have you ever lost someone at your workplace? I have.. it's very sad but you get on with it because loss is part of life.

 

[fabs33]

You really don't get it do you?

Losing those players gave us the draft picks to play with, which we used to trade for other players - without overly sacrificing our position in the draft. Our trading, whether it was Craig/Sando/Pyke in charge, has been limited to 1-2 fringe players, in every year that we didn't lose a player with significant trade value. There was no Gunston/Dangerfield type players who left during the Craig years, so no years of big trading. It really is that simple.

There has been NO CHANGE to Adelaide's trading policy since Craig left, which remains the same today as it was long before Craig was even appointed.

Are you suggesting that Pyke encouraged Dangerfield to look elsewhere? Or did someone encourage Gunston to go? Because that's the implication of your posting. The ONLY years we've been active at the trade table is when these players wanted "out". With the exception of Vince, nobody has been used as trade bait the way you suggest - not under any Adelaide coach.

I like how you're subtly trying to shift the argument towards "big trading" when I have only ever mentioned actually participating in the trade period. But since you're so hung up on the Dangerfield and Gunston trade periods as some kind of outlier let's take a look at our trade history thus far to see if this is really the case;

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2015-10-19/adelaides-complete-trade-history

1992 - Matthew Robran traded by Hawthorn for pick No.11 (Jonathon Robran); Stuart Wigney traded by Sydney for pick No.71 (Matthew Aston).

1993 - Brett Chalmers traded by Collingwood for pick No.34 (Stephen Patterson); Tony Hall traded by Hawthorn for pick No.17 (Angelo Lekkas).

1994 - Andrew McLeod traded by Fremantle for Chris Groom; Jason McCartney traded by Collingwood for pick No.9 (Ben Wilson) and No.53 (Mark Orchard); Matt Connell traded by West Coast for pick No.44 (Jeremy Dyer).

1995 - Darren Jarman traded by Hawthorn for pick No.25 (Daniel Chick); Kym Koster traded by Footscray for pick No.9 (Allen Jakovich); Troy Bond traded by Carlton for pick No.63 (Jacob Anstey); Peter Caven traded by Sydney for Paul Rouvray.

1996 - Brett James traded by Collingwood for Jonathon Ross; Trent Ormond-Allen traded by Melbourne for pick No.83 (Ashley Gehling); Clay Sampson traded by Melbourne for Nick Pesch and Scott Hodges; Aaron Keating traded by Port Adelaide (also part of Hodges deal); Nick Laidlaw traded by Port Adelaide for David Brown; Barry Standfield traded by Footscray for pick No.23 (Jim Plunkett) and No.47 (Brett Montgomery).

1997 - Nathan Bassett traded by Melbourne for Matthew Collins and Brent Williams; Mark Stevens traded by North Melbourne for Jason McCartney; Ian Downsborough traded by Adelaide for Brett Chalmers.

1998 - Nil

1999 - Matthew Clarke traded by Brisbane for pick No.6 (Damian Cupido) and No.21 (Scott Stevens); Scott Welsh traded by North Melbourne for pick No.77 (Lindsay Smith).

2000 - Matthew Bode traded by Port Adelaide for pick No.12 (Shaun Burgoyne); Evan Hewitt traded by North Melbourne for pick No.23 (Drew Petrie).

2001 - Ryan Fitzgerald traded by Sydney Swans for pick No.28; Kris Massie traded by Carlton for Andrew Eccles; Ben Nelson traded by Carlton for David Gallagher; Daniel Schell traded by Fremantle for Peter Vardy, who in turn went to Melbourne for pick No.56. Paul Medhurst also ended up at the Dockers as part of this deal.

2002 - Ronnie Burns traded by Geelong for Ben Finnin; Wayne Carey traded by North Melbourne for pick No.2 (Daniel Wells) and pick No.18 (Kris Shore); Jason Torney traded by Richmond for Kane Johnson, pick No.12 (Jay Schulz) and No.28 (Tristan Cartledge).

2003 - Scott Thompson traded by Melbourne for pick No.12 (Danny Meyer).

2004 - Nil

2005 - Nil

2006 - Nil

2007 - Brad Moran traded by North Melbourne for pick No.32 (Scott D Thompson); Brad Symes traded by Port Adelaide in a three-way deal that saw Martin Mattner end up at the Swans.

2008 - Nil

2009 - Nil

2010 - Sam Jacobs traded by Carlton for pick No.34 (Patrick McCarthy) and No.67 (Andrew McInnes); Richard Tambling traded by Richmond for round-one compensatory pick received for Nathan Bock and No.51 (Dean MacDonald).

2011 - Luke Brown (traded by GWS along with Zone incentive selection No.2 - Brad Crouch - for pick No.10 (Liam Sumner) and round-one compensatory pick (Phil Davis); Josh Jenkins traded by Essendon for pick No.31 (Jackson Merrett); Lewis Johnston traded by Sydney for Tony Armstrong and pick No.35 (Daniel Markworth) and No.68 (on-traded to St Kilda for Beau Wilkes); Tom Lynch traded by St Kilda for pick No.37 (Jack Newnes).

2012 – Angus Graham and pick No.54 traded by Richmond for pick No.42.

2013 – Eddie Betts (Free Agent). James Podsiadly traded by Geelong for pick No.64.

2014 – Kyle Cheney and Luke Lowden traded by Hawthorn for pick No.31 (Dan Howe), pick No.50 (Marc Pittonet) and pick No.68 (not utilised).

2015 - Dean Gore, pick No.9 and pick No.28 traded by Geelong for Patrick Dangerfield and pick No.50; Curtly Hampton traded by Greater Western Sydney for a 2016 second round draft selection; Paul Seedsman traded by Collingwood as part of a four-way deal where Adelaide traded out Pick No.32 to Port Adelaide.

Now assuming nothing was different in regards to our approach towards trading throughout this whole time as you say, then how do you account for the fact that five of the six trade periods where we didn't trade in or out a single player coincided with the seven years Craig was at the helm? Remember we're not talking about "big" trades here, that was your mistaken interpretation of my position. Personally I find it odd that we only had one year outside of Craig's time where we didn't have the resources, even if it was just to pay for a fringe player.

I think you're very wrong here Vader, there was a reluctance on our part to trade during Craig's era and he played no small part in that.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Rumour is hes off to richmond in a straight swap for deledio.

What was the Motlop straight swap rumour last year? It seems every year Motlop is going somewhere in a straight swap!

 

[Vhaluus]

What was the Motlop straight swap rumour last year? It seems every year Motlop is going somewhere in a straight swap!

Geelong want to trade him but only for the right price.

 

[Crowked]

Massive is a big call. A late first rounder and 2 average mids for one of the premier mids of the comp?

What do you reckon rockliff is worth in a hypothetical trade with the AFC?

I'd say Rockliff is the premier on ballet at Brisbane. He wouldn't be our best IMO, and not premier in the comp IMO either.

I'd give the pick and one of them. Or both but no pick.

Probably not that appealing to Brisbane I guess, but Rockliff isn't that appealing to me either.

 

[Red mist]

But we have too many players to replace, so would need to go deep in the draft unless we upgrade plenty of rookies.

Or a catb or two

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Mate they are grown men, not a bunch of little boys.

Have you ever lost someone at your workplace? I have.. it's very sad but you get on with it because loss is part of life.

Grown men who were clearly upset on a national stage & campo managed to steel them for a finals appearance, including a great win against the bullies.

You clearly don't understand human emotion nor the tremendous effort campo did to keep the playing group in track.

Honestly if you could concentrate on posting quality rather than quantity posts, this board would be a far better place.

 

[ShooterMcGavin8]

We can all pretty much give up on Rockliff and focus on another considering the club gave him his off season training program.

 

[Vhaluus]

Grown men who were clearly upset on a national stage & campo managed to steel them for a finals appearance, including a great win against the bullies.

You clearly don't understand human emotion nor the tremendous effort campo did to keep the playing group in track.

Honestly if you could concentrate on posting quality rather than quantity posts, this board would be a far better place.

Yeah they were upset, time passed, they processed.

As I said these were a bunch of grown men processing a loss, not a bunch of small children who needed to be hugged and told it would all be ok.

The fact you think they would have apparently fallen apart without Campo there just goes to show you're the one who doesn't understand human emotions.

 

[Sanders]

There has been NO CHANGE to Adelaide's trading policy since Craig left, which remains the same today as it was long before Craig was even appointed.

Even you don't really believe that? Surely?

 

[lincsPJ]

I'd say Rockliff is the premier on ballet at Brisbane. He wouldn't be our best IMO, and not premier in the comp IMO either.

No he wouldn't be our best, sloane is our best. But I'd have him for a late first rounder and change.

 

[Sanders]

Nah.. that was Ayres, who insisted on trading for Carey instead of Pavlich. He's the coach who cost us a flag as a result of his trading policies.

The coach who cost us due to his trading policies?

Riiiiiiggght

 

[Red mist]

We can all pretty much give up on Rockliff and focus on another considering the club gave him his off season training program.

That always happens.

 

[Vhaluus]

No he wouldn't be our best, sloane is our best. But I'd have him for a late first rounder and change.

late first rounder and some change yes, but not the whole change jar.

 

[Cleric]

There could well be an exodus at our club this year.
With talk of CEY, Hendo, Thommo, Lyons and Grigg going, I heard today that Dear has requested a trade?????
Why is it every year we wait till the end of the season before we sign people up?

 

[redhorse]

Almost that juicy time of the year again...
Thought i'd pop my head in!

 

[conVINCEd]

We can all pretty much give up on Rockliff and focus on another considering the club gave him his off season training program.

The Lions gave Aish an off-season training program last year and he didn't stick around.

 

[jackster83]

If Geelong are going after Deledio or another big ticket player, then I'd be sniffing around the likes of Caddy, Duncan and Guthrie.

All are in that 24-25 y.o. 100 game bracket and would be in our starting midfield rotation.

 

[Cleric]

Grigg's career has been such a disappointment. Was it the end of 2013 he started looking really good?

Brilliant side-step, good in traffic, nice left leg, goal sense. At a time we were battling for skillful mids too.

Has been out of favour since due to his form, competition for spots and some off-field stuff ups.

I doubt he'd fetch us anything on the trade table. Maybe a late pick another club isn't planning on using.

If you remember Grigg was also killed by the Sub rule, and he was dropped last year with alot here like myself saying he shouldnt have been.
He has had a good year in the SANFL and if we had more injuries he would have got a go.

He will be off to Carlton next year.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Almost that juicy time of the year again...
Thought i'd pop my head in!

Please say you've heard something... Please

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It might be low enough for him to realise that we were serious when we said he could be playing a bit of SANFL. Throw down a $500k contract on the table and he'd laugh it off as a joke.

STOP posting in the first tense as fact .......you have zero idea of what has been said .....it's simply your opinion / fantasy

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It might be low enough for him to realise that we were serious when we said he could be playing a bit of SANFL. Throw down a $500k contract on the table and he'd laugh it off as a joke.

STOP posting in the first tense as fact .......you have zero idea of what has been said .....it's simply your opinion / fantasy