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I don't think GWS are particularly keen on just adding talent for talents sake.
They already run deeper in talent than any team.....That's not their problem.
They need to get in the right talent and it may be possible that they'd sooner get the one player they really want than 2 or 3 who will be playing musical chairs with their teammates.
What does that mean? They have 3 first round picks already and possibly even at least another one for McCarthy and who knows who else.
They'll no doubt have one or two Academy kids they rate but then plenty of currency to deal with. They can trade first rounders for future first rounders but when will they park the bus and make the most of the talent they have?
Reckon SOS has done plenty of groundwork with GWS already and I feel we'll see some good results forthcoming.....I feel
Why did you make me write my extended version of this......
On any given week, you just look at the quality of players not playing in GWS's main team and you just shake your head.
Just have a look at their interchange bench/emergencies this week.....and then add all the talent still left to one side.....Crazy.
Jimmae
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I think the AFL should back it, and get something along the line of franchise tags going.
Don't they have academy kids to consider again this year?
I doubt their first round picks are even in contention again, unless they feel they can comfortably position themselves ahead of any bids and still afford to match.
I don't think GWS are particularly keen on just adding talent for talents sake.
They already run deeper in talent than any team.....That's not their problem.
They need to get in the right talent and it may be possible that they'd sooner get the one player they really want than 2 or 3 who will be playing musical chairs with their teammates.
What does that mean? They have 3 first round picks already and possibly even at least another one for McCarthy and who knows who else.
They'll no doubt have one or two Academy kids they rate but then plenty of currency to deal with. They can trade first rounders for future first rounders but when will they park the bus and make the most of the talent they have?
Reckon SOS has done plenty of groundwork with GWS already and I feel we'll see some good results forthcoming.....I feel
If rumours are true, they should have sold high on McCarthy last year, won't get near the same return now.
Like you say, with three first rounders but none in the top four, I think they would been to swap two for one IF there is a particular player they like.
As shit as it sounds, I can also see us exploring a Kreuzer trade with them, particularly if Phillips looks the goods. Mummy is a physical liability and no guarantee to be decent when they are a top four side.
Before I get slaughtered, not saying we should do this, just that I can see us considering it.
Before I get slaughtered, not saying we should do this, just that I can see us considering it.
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Yeah, according to afl.com he isn't training with them. And I don't blame him either.
He and Hooker could potentially leave Essendon at years end.
That footy club is in for some serious pain over the next few years if this happens.
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Can the * players walk?
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Me like soooooo much! Haha
Could he potentially leave for nothing as a free agent? Doubt it would happen though.
I'm a realist. I know we have a few years of hard times, but can see how quickly things can turn for the good.
Let's say we did pick up Hurley for approx pick 10 (where we get that I don't know) and keep let's say pick 2-4. Jaksch comes on and he plays forward. Curnow, Sosos, Cunners and McKay come on in 2 years time. And Weitering is just Weitering but better and Cripps gets better...
We have a serious team just there.
Weitering was an exception to the rule and in no way known would we hand over a #10 for what will be an almost 27 year old back-man on serious dollars.
We'd be crazy........and we're not.....any more.
Believe they can. I haven't noticed anywhere near the focus on this that I thought there would be in the media, but I am certain I have read at least one article that stated definitively that the banned players could choose to leave the club as delisted free agents at the end of the year. Of course, the media has been wrong before...
Ess players can walk, special FA rules apply I believe.
But Ess get compensated (of course it has been flagged comp picks will be scrapped this year, but it should come as no surprise there is no talk of this now as the AFL will seek to protect Ess when/if they players walk).
So Ess could end up with a handful of picks early in the draft.
In fact, theoretically if, say, 4 players left and all 4 were offered a deal (and ticked various other boxes) that qualified for first round comp, then it is conceivable Ess could have picks 1,2,3,4 and 5.
But Ess get compensated (of course it has been flagged comp picks will be scrapped this year, but it should come as no surprise there is no talk of this now as the AFL will seek to protect Ess when/if they players walk).
So Ess could end up with a handful of picks early in the draft.
In fact, theoretically if, say, 4 players left and all 4 were offered a deal (and ticked various other boxes) that qualified for first round comp, then it is conceivable Ess could have picks 1,2,3,4 and 5.
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I don't think GWS are particularly keen on just adding talent for talents sake.
They already run deeper in talent than any team.....That's not their problem.
They need to get in the right talent and it may be possible that they'd sooner get the one player they really want than 2 or 3 who will be playing musical chairs with their teammates.
What does that mean? They have 3 first round picks already and possibly even at least another one for McCarthy and who knows who else.
They'll no doubt have one or two Academy kids they rate but then plenty of currency to deal with. They can trade first rounders for future first rounders but when will they park the bus and make the most of the talent they have?
Reckon SOS has done plenty of groundwork with GWS already and I feel we'll see some good results forthcoming.....I feel
GWS will be maxing out on salary cap trying to keep all there players together, so i dont see them having the cap room to go after many more experienced players and might just need to back in there existing list to reach the top and will be happy to add some top end talent on minimum wage with the first round picks they have. Unless they see a massive hole in there list or a gun players wants to leave i reckon they will just use the picks.
I don't know the status of GWS's TPP, but I don't see them just going to the draft to pick up another 6 or so first rounders.
It looks good on paper having a killer NEAFL team, but it's time for them to set out to capitalize on what they've been largely gifted.
They may choose not to but I don't understand the notion of just turning the list over.....and over, again. They should be ready for a Premiership tilt.
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This is why they have been giving us all there dead wood (whiley, Jacksch, Lamb, Phillips, Plowman, Sumner,) They drop 5 players that are not best 22 and then replace them with high draft picks. Its a brilliant way to ensure longevity of success
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So many options but i am of the belief we will be aggressive come trade time, a rebuild takes time no matter how many top picks you have (look at GWS) so SOS will not sit on his heels. The idea of a priority pick will be raised again this season i think based on we were predicted to finish last until the Bombers suspensions, according to champion data we have the worst list and add to this, the bombers will receive band 1 comp for Hooker pushing us down the order even more. Who knows if it will happen though.
On trade options. If the Blues don't want to trade Murphy, Gibbs or Kruz then they will be forced to trade players like Everitt, Casboult, Graham, Thomas. Depending how their seasons go all can be worth a 2nd rounder or third. You have seen that two 2nd rounders can get you another first, you have seen that clubs who need academy points want to stockpile picks for points and dont count out us trading a player for a future pick to package with something else the season after.
I look at the Bulldogs, started well last game, have a good young list, seem to be tracking towards a finals tilt and i don't see a good ruckman. Kruz would be great at the dogs and if they have a pick 13-16 i think it would be a good fit for both. Gibbs and Murphy i can see playing until they are both 33 so if they want to stay for the long haul then good on them but Kruz i can't see playing much later than 30.
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I wonder this as well. At the end of the season they will be forced to trade out McCarthy too and i wonder when they will start targeting a real A grade player to take them the next step, it could be one of the suspended Bomber players. It will be interesting to see how they go this season.
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Could is a strong would. Hooker will get band 1 compo so yes they will have 1 and 2, who else would get band 1?
I think they will be allowed to leave but not as free agents. So other teams will have to trade for them thus protecting the other clubs in the draft. I also think the AFL will impose restrictions on the players moving, like Hurley for example, if he is on $500K and under contract i wouldn't be suprised if he left he would have to be on the same money as he would of been at the Dons. This would stop players leaving just to get a huge pay increase.
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Feeding from the bottom rather than adding at the top, i think it's good too
The way I am reading GWS is that they have embraced the Academy concept (probably with some AFL prompting).
They have established their core 25-30 players and have taken a couple of best available picks in the last couple of years. They have a growing number of academy players on their list. It is wonderful strategy, they have the luxury of vetting the boys through the academy, then 2 years to assess their long term worth then decide to keep or cash in.
This gives NSW boys a true and tangible avenue to "the big time" and gives their academy unparalleled credence. They will take the odd best available, but expect their list to be filled with academy boys for some years to come. They have more than enough "stars" and have budgeted to lose a couple and farm out "2nd tier" talent to trade for draft picks/points to ensure retention of their better academy talent.
I'm inclined to agree - particularly given that kreuzer is only on a 2 year deal.
Rather than another potential FA situation, if kreuzer does very well + phillips/gorringe look ok (+ korchek shows signs) -> trade for high first round pick or say dogs for someone like boyd
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True... Essendon* are going to try and get our first round pick in trade for Hurley... and I don't think that he would be worth it.
Essendon* are going to be pushing for a first round compensation pick for Hooker in addition to their first round pick for finishing last.
I think that if Carlton were smart, they would get into his ear about just walking out on Essendon*. After the last 4 years of his life being turned into a nightmare, it might not be so hard to get him to walk.
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