Training 2017/2018 Pre-season Thread

Who will be our most improved for 2018?


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Hard to see him moving all the way down here for a demotion, unless he really needed to move back to Adelaide for family reasons and didn't want to go back to the SANFL or Port.

I wonder if perhaps Campo as senior assistant is taking on a larger overall roll and thus Francou becomes the more day to say midfield coach, with Campo still having a significant influence. Maybe they are looking at drafting in a forwards coach still.

There was mention though I think the Pods article that were still trying to replace VB. Kelly might just not be quite clued into what's going on.
 

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That is a massive problem.

But if we're to be real, we rarely bring it when challenged in that way.

We become a team of lonza balls walking away from a fight.


This is exactly what we have been for a number of years - it is still the carry over from Craig's days where he didn't want any of that 'emotion' getting in the way. Sadly it continues today and until guys like Mackay, Douglas and Otten are gone it will stay ingrained.
 
Let's not forget that large masses on this board did heavily criticise JPod's appointment and he ended up doing a bloody good job
I liked jpod he seemed an innovative thinker. Never heard Hart say anything other than bland boring sterile puff statements. Lucky afl footballers are self motivated because if Hart was my manager id be asleep.
 
I liked jpod he seemed an innovative thinker. Never heard Hart say anything other than bland boring sterile puff statements. Lucky afl footballers are self motivated because if Hart was my manager id be asleep.
Agree, but then Roos on Foxtel is bloody dull and captain obvious, whereas Brereton is more likely to say things of interest and insight (he was tbh one of the few who saw the Tigers steamrolling us in the second half). So not sure how well "media talker" aligns with "good coach"
 
Agree, but then Roos on Foxtel is bloody dull and captain obvious, whereas Brereton is more likely to say things of interest and insight (he was tbh one of the few who saw the Tigers steamrolling us in the second half). So not sure how well "media talker" aligns with "good coach"
True fingers crossed he is a better coach than comes across.

However havent 2 clubs already let him go previously? Us and Collingwood?
 
True fingers crossed he is a better coach than comes across.

However havent 2 clubs already let him go previously? Us and Collingwood?

5 years is a long time for an assistant at a club, if you’re no good, you get 2-3 years and then get booted (see Milburn).

The reason Hart left us in the first place was because he was chasing a senior gig, pretty obvious that’s not happening now, but was highly rated at the club as an assistant. Hart’s not a media personality and he’s been stuck with Kane “look at me” Cornes, would be pretty hard to express your own opinion on that show with Kane basically running the thing. That show was all about Kane Cornes and 5aa wanting to pander to the Port supporters out there.

As much as the club won’t admit it, I think it struggles to attract assistant coaches, especially for line roles, across from the eastern states. Too many other options over there for assistant coaches to go to without moving states, especially since we don’t have any recent premierships to hang our hat on. To be able to pick up Hart, an assistant with 10 years experience as a defensive coach is a good get. Sometimes I think experience is very much underrated in the coaching fraternity.
 

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Agree, but then Roos on Foxtel is bloody dull and captain obvious, whereas Brereton is more likely to say things of interest and insight (he was tbh one of the few who saw the Tigers steamrolling us in the second half). So not sure how well "media talker" aligns with "good coach"
So Dermie finally got one of his calls re Adelaide right....that would have been the the first time he got something right re Adelaide........He never rated us and picked against us more often than any other person in the media.

Sorry I just don't share your views on Brereton, to me he's to football what Malcolm Turnbull is to Politics....all waffle, hot air and and self importance.
 
So Dermie finally got one of his calls re Adelaide right....that would have been the the first time he got something right re Adelaide........He never rated us and picked against us more often than any other person in the media.

Sorry I just don't share your views on Brereton, to me he's to football what Malcolm Turnbull is to Politics....all waffle, hot air and and self importance.
He has some nice insights when he's not being totally condescending, or waffling about shit he did in 1985 that has absolutely no relevance to what is happening at the game he's calling.
 
I'm going to back 2 talls not on the list as big improvers, relatively speaking;

Elliot Himmelberg;and
Paul Hunter

I think by the end of the season they will have put their stamp on the SANFL side to the extent that, as we look toward 2019, both will be considered as likely candidates for key tall positions in the 1sts.
 
I'm going to back 2 talls not on the list as big improvers, relatively speaking;

Elliot Himmelberg;and
Paul Hunter

I think by the end of the season they will have put their stamp on the SANFL side to the extent that, as we look toward 2019, both will be considered as likely candidates for key tall positions in the 1sts.

Trying to remember which of our players to watch videos this week that had a great, fast handball from Elliot that resulted in a nice shot on goal for another player. I think it might have been Jarman. It was the very last highlight on that video.
 
Paul Hunter ?? Absolutely zero chance. His ball winning ability revolves around centre bounces, ball-ups and boudary throw ins. He's a genuine ruckman.

Yep, mobile ruckman with reasonable pace, agility and skills, for someone his size, who can take a grab whilst resting up forward. He’s on our list as a depth ruckman, not a lot else. Similar to Jonathon Griffin at Freo, Shaun Mckernan at Essendon, Majak Daw at the Roos, we’re going to see guys who essentially become career “depth” ruckman, guys who clubs can essentially pop on their list for minimum wage and rest assured that if their 1st Ruck gets injured, they can come in and play to a decent standard, is familiar with set ups and knows the team well. You don’t want to be Port and spending 4-500k a year on a back up ruckman and developing ruckman often aren’t necessarily right to go in their 1st 3-4 years.
 
Milera came 2nd, interestingly
That is encouraging but I am not sure how that compares to the rest of the playing group.

IMHO, one of Milera's biggest downfalls this year has been his inability to run games out. He always starts the games off well and plays well in the 1st half them disappears in the 2nd. This indicates lack of fitness and inability to run games out. Getting a tank big enough to consistently run out games at a high level will ensure that Milera has a good season next year. Other things can be worked on but lack of fitness was a major issues for Milera this year.
 
That is encouraging but I am not sure how that compares to the rest of the playing group.

IMHO, one of Milera's biggest downfalls this year has been his inability to run games out. He always starts the games off well and plays well in the 1st half them disappears in the 2nd. This indicates lack of fitness and inability to run games out. Getting a tank big enough to consistently run out games at a high level will ensure that Milera has a good season next year. Other things can be worked on but lack of fitness was a major issues for Milera this year.
Watching the AFC Instagram story, he only just finished behind Knight. I've later found that this is a little irrelevant to the problem stated though, as he actually came 3rd last year (behind Kelly and Knight).

I do agree with your point, often this year Milera's been a first half player, before becoming invisible in the second half. I've always thought it was a fitness problem, but if his tank was seemingly okay this time last year too, then it might not be the problem? It confuses me a bit
 
Watching the AFC Instagram story, he only just finished behind Knight. I've later found that this is a little irrelevant to the problem stated though, as he actually came 3rd last year (behind Kelly and Knight).

I do agree with your point, often this year Milera's been a first half player, before becoming invisible in the second half. I've always thought it was a fitness problem, but if his tank was seemingly okay this time last year too, then it might not be the problem? It confuses me a bit
Maybe its the mental ability to push through the fatigue and pain barrier?

Like I said I would like to see how his time compares and where he finished when the whole team is back and doing one of these 2km time trial before they go on a Christmas break. That's when everyone has gotten in a big block of training and would be almost in their "peak" condition.

I am worried about Greenwood's surgery. Would have preferred if we did this straight after the GF. He needed to have a great pre-season where his fitness would allow him to spend more time on ground and take his game to another level. He has quickly become a key player for us.
 
That is encouraging but I am not sure how that compares to the rest of the playing group.

IMHO, one of Milera's biggest downfalls this year has been his inability to run games out. He always starts the games off well and plays well in the 1st half them disappears in the 2nd. This indicates lack of fitness and inability to run games out. Getting a tank big enough to consistently run out games at a high level will ensure that Milera has a good season next year. Other things can be worked on but lack of fitness was a major issues for Milera this year.
Did well in the run last year too, don't think the issue is necessarily down to lack of endurance, personally I think it's more a mind over body issue with Milera in that he appears to lack the will power to push through the pain barrier required for repeat efforts and gut running....I look at Rory Sloane, he often looks absolutely gassed sucking in deep breaths but as soon as the balls in his area again he goes all in again and again, Milera lacks that will power.
 
Maybe its the mental ability to push through the fatigue and pain barrier?

Like I said I would like to see how his time compares and where he finished when the whole team is back and doing one of these 2km time trial before they go on a Christmas break. That's when everyone has gotten in a big block of training and would be almost in their "peak" condition.

I am worried about Greenwood's surgery. Would have preferred if we did this straight after the GF. He needed to have a great pre-season where his fitness would allow him to spend more time on ground and take his game to another level. He has quickly become a key player for us.
That's true, it'd be interesting to see how he did in this last year

Re: Greenwood - I would have preferred the surgery to have been during the break than now too, but it's not worst case scenario. That would have been during the Christmas to January period when we're really getting back into the swing of things, into peak condition. At least Greenwood should be back by Christmas, which gives him time to prepare for the season. I wonder if we pull him out of the NAB Challenge to give him a catch-up, extended preseason?
 
Maybe its the mental ability to push through the fatigue and pain barrier?

Like I said I would like to see how his time compares and where he finished when the whole team is back and doing one of these 2km time trial before they go on a Christmas break. That's when everyone has gotten in a big block of training and would be almost in their "peak" condition.
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I’m not sure a 2km time trial quite compares to a game of footy, he’d be covering 2km in the first quarter of a game easily. It’s that real match fitness, repeat maximal effort then run 100m to the next contest type stuff that he needs to improve. This comes with time though, few 18/19 year olds are good at it. Even Matt Crouch is only just getting his TOG numbers up to that of an AFL midfielder. Dangerfield was in his 5th season before he was fit enough to perform as a genuine midfielder.

The guys like Milera, like Dangerfield who rely to a large extent on their pace/agility or in Dangers case power, are the ones that often struggle early as they just can’t maintain these efforts for long periods. McLeod was very much in the same boat, Gary Ablett Jnr as well, we can obviously only hope Milera ends up this good... Matt Crouch has been fine because he is a natural ball winner/magnet, Brad similar when not injured, they inately know how to find the footy/read the play and dont rely on his athletic attributes, they’re essentially far more economical in their running patterns.

Once Milera develops a genuine engine in this regard, he’ll flourish, however it will likely still take another year or two to get there. Hopefully his permances can get to a level this year that have him playing 22 games as this will help significantly.
 

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