List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Discussion (cont in Pt 2)

[Dr Spaceman]

Even without making any allowances for Paddy's misfortunes and career disruptions to date...

If we had taken Petracca instead of McCartin, would we be a better team now?

And would we be in a better shape going forward?

Impossible to know with any certainity of course.

But my answer to the impossible to know questions are an absolute NO & NO.

 

[lewdogs]

Biggest miss was Powel-Pepper last year. We should have kept our pick.

We then wouldn't have pick 7 though.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The reviews have things like"tour great but need more ramps for my frame" and " hotels lovely but needed room fridges for our medication"

Doing it easy as almost killed the missus in 2015 with a Central European tour walking about 20-25 ks a day.

Will look to knock a few oldies off by taking them for runs

Was at Ballintoy harbour when a bus load of tourists arrived wearing their Game of Thrones costumes and proceeded to video themselves doing swordfights.
The Gobbins near Belfast looked like they'd be good , but my wife was acting lazy and wasn't interested.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Have we drafted yet? What's the good word lads?

 

[kyrgios]

We then wouldn't have pick 7 though.

Is there anyone as good as him around pick 7 this year?

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Biggest miss was Powel-Pepper last year. We should have kept our pick.

We then wouldn't have pick 7 though.

So although Powell-Pepper may be able to generate great excitement he may have, ironically, prevented us from getting a bonar

 

[kyrgios]

So although Powell-Pepper may be able to generate great excitement he may have, ironically, prevented us from getting a bonar

Even Dusty can't get him.. he's going to be something else.

 

[StCicatriz]

We should take risks right? Like Long?

The risk would have been Bolton. Long was the safe option. Which is something I think gringo point is relevant too

Personally don't care if it's a safe pick or speculative I just want trout to get the calls right. Which he has done more often than not. You will always have busts the important thing is you keep the bust rate low as possible

It's time for Richo to do something with the talent now. He has a lot of it at his disposal.

 

[holllywood]

Brayshaw and Bonar double, which is seemingly gathering a bit of momentum, is a nice combination.

A mix of a player who has consistently got better as the year went on, has a nice blend of inside/out game and will be a good fit for any team that drafts him.

While Bonar was considered the best player of his age a few years ago but hasn’t been able to play due to knees. He is built like a truck, athletic, aggressive and can clunk a mark.

Brayshaw has a higher floor than Bonar, while Bonar has the higher ceiling than Brayshaw. One safeish (but still very good) pick and then one ‘risk’.

I like it.

 

[Joffaboy]

We then wouldn't have pick 7 though.

SPP v Long, Battle and #7.

Worth the punt for sure

 

[Joffaboy]

Have we drafted yet? What's the good word lads?

Coffee and Ireland

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Have we drafted yet? What's the good word lads?

Coffee and Ireland

Time to merge the threads?

 

[Bardon_Saint]

Picks 7&8
For me, ideally we snag Stephenson & Brayshaw. Both fall thereabouts or higher on the phantom drafts I've seen.

If Higgins could rotate mid at AFL level then he and Gresh would be an exciting fwd/mid pairing. I'd take him if one of the above are not available. It's suggested that Higgins could play next year which would not bode well for Minch & Lonie.

I like Coffield but he's not a need so Bonar would be next on the list. High risk, high reward.

Pick 34
Jack Petruccelle if available

 

[aussierulesrules]

What did he post mate?

Bit of Intel from another club..

Stephenson most likely going to North.

Most clubs are off him due to a heart condition he takes meds for.

North going to roll the dice.

This particular club has us selecting Coffield, Fogarty slipping to 10.

This is the guy who made the Herald Sun last year for posting his Sam Mitchell to WC mail on here a week before they got wind of it in the media.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-thread-part-3.1146274/page-373#post-47316113

The two B's definitely make sense to me if that's how it all pans out and North pick Stephenson, Pies go Coffield and presumably Freo pick Cerra (or one of the "big 3", with Cerra going top 3) at 5.

Brayshaw would be a bit of a no-brainer and then it might be between say Bonar, Clark and Murphy for the other pick.

I think Brayshaw and Clark are too much of a similar thing and that Murphy is a bit of a reach and not a massive need, so Bonar makes a lot of sense, but obviously comes with known risk.

I'd be stoked with that duo.

 

[VDS66]

You have to give him massive credit for Gresham. Gresham was seen as too small for AFL by many scribes on social media and in the mocks. I myself wasn't sold on him. Massive credit to barrels and trout on that one. They picked it.

He's our 3rd youngest players from memory and is starring. I think it was barrels who posted his goal count and age. That tells the story.

The kid is star star star. You watch when we need a spark. It's usually gresh who provides it.

Billings also wasn't a safe bet. The safe bet was Aish in that draft. Next safe bet was scharenberg even with his foot issues if you remember the commentary back then.

Here's what I reckon takes balls: overlooking the hype that was on petracca to address the crucial part of your list build to pick a tall. A tall who didn't play much football that year due to niggling injuries. A tall that was seen as fat and a throw back to old football. A diabetic as well. The media love a good bust story.

But here's the thing. It's easy to find petraccas. Every club gets them and they don't have to use pick 1 to find them. But not every club can find a tall forward. If we got petracca then we wouldn't have got Steele given he was looking for game time.

Who do you want Steele and McCartin or petracca. Hell even Steele vs Petracca. I'll take Steele thanks.

Trout did alright on membrey Bruce calls as well. Longer another. Roberton. Newnes. Ross.

Our club is the best trader by a pretty decent margin. We just need a handful more players to come through and be consistent players.

Tbh I think it's more player development than the actual recruiting

Fmd who hacked your account?

Ripping post!

 

[VDS66]

Is there anyone as good as him around pick 7 this year?

And if Kelly said yes but we couldn't get him because we only had 1 pick... etc etc

 

[aussierulesrules]

Nothing to say we would have picked Powell-Pepper at 12 last year anyway. We were said to be keen at 25, but there's a hell of a difference between being keen on someone at 25 and taking them at 12!

Even WC overlooked him there and they'd been working with him for 2 years apparently and he was desperate to go there.

At this point in time I'd take whoever we get at 7, Battle in particular and Long over anyone we would likely have taken at 12 last year for sure.

 

[StCicatriz]

Nothing to say we would have picked Powell-Pepper at 12 last year anyway. We were said to be keenat 25, but there's a hell of a difference between being keen on someone at 25 and taking them at 12!

Even WC overlooked him there and they'd been working with him for 2 years apparently and he was desperate to go there.

any other club and i'd agree. lots of turmoil in how their club was structured just before that draft. including appointing a new list manager.

but your overall point is correct, you just dont know without speaking to the club

i still think the plan was using the picks for free agents/OOC players. i think we enacted plan c but were happy if that scenario came about due to the 2nd rounders that came in and how we rated the draft. personally i would have preferred the 2016 1st over this years pick 7, but i'm no expert and its just personal opinion. i reckon SPP will be a pretty special midfielder along with a bunch of midfielders taken in that range

 

[Marlo]

You have to give him massive credit for Gresham. Gresham was seen as too small for AFL by many scribes on social media and in the mocks. I myself wasn't sold on him. Massive credit to barrels and trout on that one. They picked it.

He's our 3rd youngest players from memory and is starring. I think it was barrels who posted his goal count and age. That tells the story.

The kid is star star star. You watch when we need a spark. It's usually gresh who provides it.

Billings also wasn't a safe bet. The safe bet was Aish in that draft. Next safe bet was scharenberg even with his foot issues if you remember the commentary back then.

Here's what I reckon takes balls: overlooking the hype that was on petracca to address the crucial part of your list build to pick a tall. A tall who didn't play much football that year due to niggling injuries. A tall that was seen as fat and a throw back to old football. A diabetic as well. The media love a good bust story.

But here's the thing. It's easy to find petraccas. Every club gets them and they don't have to use pick 1 to find them. But not every club can find a tall forward. If we got petracca then we wouldn't have got Steele given he was looking for game time.

Who do you want Steele and McCartin or petracca. Hell even Steele vs Petracca. I'll take Steele thanks.

Trout did alright on membrey Bruce calls as well. Longer another. Roberton. Newnes. Ross.

Our club is the best trader by a pretty decent margin. We just need a handful more players to come through and be consistent players.

Tbh I think it's more player development than the actual recruiting

Great post.

I wouldn't say it's easy to find Petraccas, as his physique is such an utterly insane advantage, but he isn't some precious commodity any more than a Dayne Zorko is (which is probably what you're referring to), who more than half the football public wouldn't even recognize.

I still think Paddy was the right pick. What we've really missed is a Merrett, McLean type pick or two in the 20s, who level out your Laverde/Langford/Goddard/McKenzie slow burn picks. So have a few clubs tho. Sinclair eases the pain there going forward. So too will Brayshaw. But I think Freo are gonna spoil the party.

 

[StCicatriz]

in any case on trout, i dont think he will be there forever. there was talk 2 seasons back that the club was trying to formulate a hand over plan. where they got sanderson in as an assistant coach but he would slow transition out to list management

its possible IMO that could happen in the next 24 months, where they start to look at a replacement

thats taking nothing away from trout he's been great but by that time he would have been doing the job for near on 10 years!!!! after being opposition analyst before that

it could line up with a change in the direction of the list strategy where we remove the focus from the draft to the out of contract players/the now, albeit with an eye always on the future (i.e. hawthorn post 2008)

 

[saint_]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-10/naughton-states-his-case-for-the-defence

The Saints are also tipped to look at Naughton as they weigh up the best combination for their strong draft hand, which is the first time since 2000 they have had two top-10 picks in a draft.

St Kilda landed Port Adelaide's Logan Austin at last month's trade period to bolster its key defensive stocks, but are still a little short in depth in that area. Key backman Hugh Goddard has missed the past season and a half after suffering serious Achilles and toe injuries.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't have thought another backman would be a top priority with one our high selections.

 

[aussierulesrules]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-10/naughton-states-his-case-for-the-defence

The Saints are also tipped to look at Naughton as they weigh up the best combination for their strong draft hand, which is the first time since 2000 they have had two top-10 picks in a draft.

St Kilda landed Port Adelaide's Logan Austin at last month's trade period to bolster its key defensive stocks, but are still a little short in depth in that area. Key backman Hugh Goddard has missed the past season and a half after suffering serious Achilles and toe injuries.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't have thought another backman would be a top priority with one our high selections.

Agree. 34 or 45 are another matter though and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we grabbed a Taylor/Petty/Clavarino with one of those picks.

Might be why we were so keen to get that mid-30's pick.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-10/naughton-states-his-case-for-the-defence

The Saints are also tipped to look at Naughton as they weigh up the best combination for their strong draft hand, which is the first time since 2000 they have had two top-10 picks in a draft.

St Kilda landed Port Adelaide's Logan Austin at last month's trade period to bolster its key defensive stocks, but are still a little short in depth in that area. Key backman Hugh Goddard has missed the past season and a half after suffering serious Achilles and toe injuries.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't have thought another backman would be a top priority with one our high selections.

Would've thought it's a logical combination. We'd be well stocked for kpd's. I think it depends and what's available if Brayshaw and Stephenson is I don't think we'll consider naughton. I wouldn't go him but I would've thought two midfielders. 'Heavily linked to freo' and Collingwood hopefully they snap him up

 

[Dr Spaceman]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-10/naughton-states-his-case-for-the-defence

The Saints are also tipped to look at Naughton as they weigh up the best combination for their strong draft hand, which is the first time since 2000 they have had two top-10 picks in a draft.

St Kilda landed Port Adelaide's Logan Austin at last month's trade period to bolster its key defensive stocks, but are still a little short in depth in that area. Key backman Hugh Goddard has missed the past season and a half after suffering serious Achilles and toe injuries.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't have thought another backman would be a top priority with one our high selections.

Is he a match winner?

To be honest, I think Bonar has far more scope to rise to the occasion and to exert great pressure, particularly up forward. He's been a bit inconsistent to date, but the cream usually rises to the top and I think he could really explode if handled correctly

 

[LoveNatEdwards]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-10/naughton-states-his-case-for-the-defence

The Saints are also tipped to look at Naughton as they weigh up the best combination for their strong draft hand, which is the first time since 2000 they have had two top-10 picks in a draft.

St Kilda landed Port Adelaide's Logan Austin at last month's trade period to bolster its key defensive stocks, but are still a little short in depth in that area. Key backman Hugh Goddard has missed the past season and a half after suffering serious Achilles and toe injuries.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't have thought another backman would be a top priority with one our high selections.

Naughton was mentioned on this thread a week or 2 ago. seems like it is a legit rumour.