List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Needs...

[Stiffy_18]

Like EC I don't understand why we don't use all our picks as a club that has done so well with low picks it sounds like overall we will go with the minimum list numbers and 2 less in main draft.
After getting rid previously highest paid player then this year CC, Lever and Thommo although reduced last year and only Gibbs in , just don't see why especially go short on rookies with min. wages. And hope they change mind and use our 70 pick.
Also don't think Hamish done that well with high draft picks last 2 years so hope especially gets pick 12 right .

It really is no rocket science!
Just because you have the money, it doesn't mean that you have to spend it especially on someone that you think is not worth that pick.

Let's face it, pick 77 is not much different to a rookie draft selection in terms of how speculative the pick is. The difference is that with pick 77 or whatever it is, you are committing to a minimum of 2 years to a player who may or may not work out compared to one year on the rookie list. We are not only talking about salary only here but also money that is invested in development for the player etc....It was mentioned by Hamish (i think it was last year) that with salary it costs the club somewhere between $250k-300k per season to have a player on the list.

If we had more earlier picks where there is still talent that we rate at "draftable" then we would have gone with more players on the main list. I don't want us drafting the player just because we have the spot if we think that he is a speculative pick and better placed as a rookie pick. With rookies you keep them for a year and decide whether they are worth keeping longer than that. I don't want a repeat of Obst where we drafted him to the main list and then cut him a year later but still needed to pay him and have his salary count against the salary cap for his 2nd year when he was no longer part of the club and playing his footy at Centrals.

Picks that we have in the 70s and 90s are speculative at best. They are no different to rookie picks so why waste the list spots and resources on something that you are not convinced about when you can have them as rookies and see how they go in the next 12 months before deciding whether they are worth persisting with or not.

That's not to say that we won't pick a player with our 3rd pick if we had him rated much higher. We did it with Davis last year and if we think there is a player there worth committing to for 2 years, I think we will pull the trigger again.

In terms of 1st round picks over the last couple of years, let's just wait and see how that pans out over the next year or two shall we?

 

[Mismatched]

It really is no rocket science!
Just because you have the money, it doesn't mean that you have to spend it especially on someone that you think is not worth that pick.

Let's face it, pick 77 is not much different to a rookie draft selection in terms of how speculative the pick is. The difference is that with pick 77 or whatever it is, you are committing to a minimum of 2 years to a player who may or may not work out compared to one year on the rookie list. We are not only talking about salary only here but also money that is invested in development for the player etc....It was mentioned by Hamish (i think it was last year) that with salary it costs the club somewhere between $250k-300k per season to have a player on the list.

If we had more earlier picks where there is still talent that we rate at "draftable" then we would have gone with more players on the main list. I don't want us drafting the player just because we have the spot if we think that he is a speculative pick and better placed as a rookie pick. With rookies you keep them for a year and decide whether they are worth keeping longer than that. I don't want a repeat of Obst where we drafted him to the main list and then cut him a year later but still needed to pay him and have his salary count against the salary cap for his 2nd year when he was no longer part of the club and playing his footy at Centrals.

Picks that we have in the 70s and 90s are speculative at best. They are no different to rookie picks so why waste the list spots and resources on something that you are not convinced about when you can have them as rookies and see how they go in the next 12 months before deciding whether they are worth persisting with or not.

That's not to say that we won't pick a player with our 3rd pick if we had him rated much higher. We did it with Davis last year and if we think there is a player there worth committing to for 2 years, I think we will pull the trigger again.

In terms of 1st round picks over the last couple of years, let's just wait and see how that pans out over the next year or two shall we?

Our recruiting teams are rated as one of the better recruiting teams, surely if they say that the talents not there, we should back them in.

 

[Sanders]

I have a feeling we are going for Bonar

A lot of people have had that feeling after twomey said it

 

[StonesThrow]

I would back un informed big footy posters before adelaide recruiting for sure.

 

[Bicks]

I have a feeling we are going for Bonar

I have a feeling we'll be taking the player we have at the top our rankings list that's still on the table at Pick 12, that could be any one of about a half dozen with the evenness of the draft after the top 4 or 5.

Picks 6 - 20 is where it gets interesting especially with the Stephenson drama.

I'd say at best Hamish would only have a gut feel who that might be unless he's going left field.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

A lot of people have had that feeling after twomey said it

 

[tinman]

Our recruiting teams are rated as one of the better recruiting teams, surely if they say that the talents not there, we should back them in.

We also need to be mindful that we have to "make room" for the 2018 draft where we have some excellent picks in a reportedly strong draft. And there aren't too many players reaching retirement age on our list. We can top the numbers up next year in a stronger draft, and aren't stuck with anyone contracted that we'd prefer to move out.

There's no point filling the list just for the sake of it.

 

[Pea Nut]

Hamish Ogilvie interview from yesterday-:

So Dave Mackay is our flag in the ground that Vic Metro players stay at our club. Give me a spell !!

 

[Mismatched]

So Dave Mackay is our flag in the ground that Vic Metro players stay at our club. Give me a spell !!

Dave stayed because Noble panicked that we didn’t have any other outside mid options and gave him a massive 4 year contract. We were also struggling to sign Tippett at the time and he wanted a win. I think we also rushed into giving Brent Reilly a 2 year extension as well at a similar point in time.

Unfortunately it seems all our best interstate draftees have left, although fingers crossed Sloane bucks this trend.

 

[Bicks]

Dave stayed because Noble panicked that we didn’t have any other outside mid options and gave him a massive 4 year contract. We were also struggling to sign Tippett at the time and he wanted a win. I think we also rushed into giving Brent Reilly a 2 year extension as well at a similar point in time.

Unfortunately it seems all our best interstate draftees have left, although fingers crossed Sloane bucks this trend.

Talia's been OK.

 

[phill5158]

What is everyone's thoughts about one of these at 39, I would like either one of them as what I have read sounds good.

Stefan Giro- Mid- Being a Norwood supporter I know first hand how talented he is and even played senior footy this season, I see him as a ready made midfielder and will add class and speed to our midfield.

Harrison Petty- Def- Another Norwood product who is very good overhead and can provide good rebound, could be a good option for our defence and you can never have enough defenders.

Joel Garner- Mid- A left footed midfielder who from what I have seen has great composure and can be damaging. Also the fact he captained Vic Metro U18 shows he already has ready made leadership qualities.

Charlie Spargo- Mid- small forward with the ability to play midfield, compared a bit to Brent Harvey. Could be a good option with Charlie now gone and plus we need to look for someone who can step up once Eddie goes.

Tom McCartin Fwd- Athletic forward who is a strong marking type, can never have enough forwards and wouldn't mind another project forward because we seriously don't have as many strong contested marking forwards apart from McGovern.

Andrew McPherson- Def- has the ability to play off half back and can also push into the midfield, It is always good to have players who can play multiple positions. I have liked what I have seen with him.

Zac Bailey- Mid- from what I have read and seen of Bailey, he is known to have a hard edge and has good speed and I see him as another that can add to our midfield.

 

[Bicks]

What is everyone's thoughts about one of these at 39, I would like either one of them as what I have read sounds good.

Stefan Giro- Mid- Being a Norwood supporter I know first hand how talented he is and even played senior footy this season, I see him as a ready made midfielder and will add class and speed to our midfield.

Harrison Petty- Def- Another Norwood product who is very good overhead and can provide good rebound, could be a good option for our defence and you can never have enough defenders.

Joel Garner- Mid- A left footed midfielder who from what I have seen has great composure and can be damaging. Also the fact he captained Vic Metro U18 shows he already has ready made leadership qualities.

Charlie Spargo- Mid- small forward with the ability to play midfield, compared a bit to Brent Harvey. Could be a good option with Charlie now gone and plus we need to look for someone who can step up once Eddie goes.

Tom McCartin Fwd- Athletic forward who is a strong marking type, can never have enough forwards and wouldn't mind another project forward because we seriously don't have as many strong contested marking forwards apart from McGovern.

Andrew McPherson- Def- has the ability to play off half back and can also push into the midfield, It is always good to have players who can play multiple positions. I have liked what I have seen with him.

Zac Bailey- Mid- from what I have read and seen of Bailey, he is known to have a hard edge and has good speed and I see him as another that can add to our midfield.

Giro - likely a rookie consideration along with Mitch Crowden
Petty - gone before 39
Garner - likely gone before 39, certainly be under consideration if still there
Spargo - would be a good pick up @ 39, likely gone to GWS before that
McCartin - I'd pass
McPherson - likely under heavy consideration by us if still on the table @39.
Bailey - long gone before 39...

 

[phill5158]

Giro - likely a rookie consideration along with Mitch Crowden
Petty - gone before 39
Garner - likely gone before 39, certainly be under consideration if still there
Spargo - would be a good pick up @ 39, likely gone to GWS before that
McCartin - I'd pass
McPherson - likely under heavy consideration by us if still on the table @39.
Bailey - long gone before 39...

yeah sometimes you never know, see what happens tomorrow but I would really like to pick up Giro, think he will be a very good player and liked what I have seen when he's played for the Norwood seniors.

 

[Squiba]

Using bick's formating because it is easy

Giro - likely a rookie consideration along with Mitch Crowden- yep, Rookie.
Petty - gone before 39 - Would be all over him if was there though. Ditto Ballard.
Garner - likely gone before 39, certainly be under consideration if still there - idk much about Ballard, so whatever bicks says
Spargo - would be a good pick up @ 39, likely gone to GWS before that - Would definitely rate Spargo at this pick, direct competition with Jars jnr IMO, but a very good prospect somewhat impacted by injury
McCartin - I'd pass - again, go with bicks cause I have nfi
McPherson - likely under heavy consideration by us if still on the table @39. -Will be a project getting his body right, but would boost our running half back stocks and would be a good pick up at 30 onward imo
Bailey - long gone before 39.. - I would need to go to the hospital, I would be erect for far too many hours

 

[Mismatched]

Talia's been OK.

Yep, he's another that will hopefully buck the trend, still a fair way to go before he's a true 1 club player, has only just turned 26 and yet to be tested by FA.

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

Anyone have any best guess as to who we may take with 12 and 39?


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[Mego Red]

No those three cherry ripe picks which we stuffed up are currently playing AFL at a good level in their first or second year and one has actually got a premiership medal


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You mean players that every team could have drafted, but didn't?

They weren't OUR players.

Graham is alright, but has less than half a dozen games to his name so far. Burton might be out of the game in five years.

We are a winning side, with great players pushing through. Nothing for you to be OCD about here.

 

[MRB37]

Just saw this


Assume it means we're a chance to take Murphy in the rookie draft? I'm not sure how the SANFL development recruitment rules worked, if we can only keep Murphy and T.Lever for one year, or if it's longer.

 

[Bicks]

Just saw this


Assume it means we're a chance to take Murphy in the rookie draft? I'm not sure how the SANFL development recruitment rules worked, if we can only keep Murphy and T.Lever for one year, or if it's longer.

Well Myles Poholke has moved out of the Greenwood's abode and is now "shacked" up with Lachie Murphy.....think that's a pretty fair indicator we have more than a passing interest.

Danger in Texas

 

[Danger in Texas]

Well Myles Poholke has moved out of the Greenwood's abode and is now "shacked" up with Lachie Murphy.....think that's a pretty fair indicator we have more than a passing interest.

Danger in Texas

Maybe we take in five rookies after passing on one or two of our ND picks?

Edwards, CEY, Hunter, Jarman, Murphy

 

[Bicks]

Just saw this


Assume it means we're a chance to take Murphy in the rookie draft? I'm not sure how the SANFL development recruitment rules worked, if we can only keep Murphy and T.Lever for one year, or if it's longer.

What a lot of people don't realise to with Lachie is he doesn't turn 19 until next month, if he was born 3 weeks later he would have been eligible for this year's draft and would have been playing U18's this year.

 

[Shaz2012]

What a lot of people don't realise to with Lachie is he doesn't turn 19 until next month, if he was born 3 weeks later he would have been eligible for this year's draft and would have been playing U18's this year.

Sold

 

[MRB37]

Told an unreliable rumour we've told Stefan Giro we'll pick him as a rookie if he doesn't go in the national draft (and no one else takes him as a rookie).

So potentially if everything fell our way we're looking at Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Lachlan Murphy, Jackson Edwards and Stefan Giro with our rookie picks?

 

[hippyhippy]

Told an unreliable rumour we've told Stefan Giro we'll pick him as a rookie if he doesn't go in the national draft (and no one else takes him as a rookie).

So potentially if everything fell our way we're looking at Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Lachlan Murphy, Jackson Edwards and Stefan Giro with our rookie picks?

Why not just use pick 155 or whatever our last pick is?

 

[MRB37]

Why not just use pick 155 or whatever our last pick is?

Because they don't rate him being worth a senior spot?