Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[PumpyChowdown]

I just don’t know who the player is

Liam Ryan.

 

[Captain crippa]

Liam Ryan.

Eddiebetts on roids

 

[bmaurizio]

Neither Yes or No with Hartung, but I thing using a 3rd or 4th pick in a trade vs a free hit as a DFA. He is miles ahead of the likes of Buckley and Boekhorst and would easily be better than 90% of the kids added with picks in the 90's. just saying

Anyway, we will find out soon

Agree Hartung makes perfect sense for a team in our postion.
He brings 63 game experience is young and runs like the wind, can play.
If Bolton and Bruce think he's worth a shot I'll support our coaches, two experts that know a hell of a lot more than me on the subject are able to evaluate his potential.

 

[ShanDog]

If it comes down to a choice between pick eleventy million in the draft v Hartung as a DFA, wouldn't hurt to take Hartung.

Young-ish, fast, and with a fair bit of experience already. Worst that could happen is he improves our VFL team.

 

[Carl]

Hartung = list clogger. We still have 6 to 7 of them on our list, why add 1 more? He's shown at Hawthorn that he isn't AFL standard.

 

[HBF]

Can all 4 of jones, marchbank, plowman and weitering play defense together?

Carry on.

Might be a case by case scenario. Very unlikely against Richmond, but more likely against Adelaide

 

[Soapy V]

Agree Hartung makes perfect sense for a team in our postion.
He brings 63 game experience is young and runs like the wind, can play.

I'd debate that at AFL level. If he struggled in the Hawthorn system with a side looking to bring through young talent then he has real weaknesses. His poor ball use under pressure and his lack of defence are big issues that can't be overlooked.

 

[HBF]

Say no to Hartung.
Easy.

 

[bmaurizio]

I'd debate that at AFL level. If he struggled in the Hawthorn system with a side looking to bring through young talent then he has real weaknesses. His poor ball use under pressure and his lack of defence are big issues that can't be overlooked.

Agree Hartung has deficiencies, but then we're rummaging in the $2.00 bin.
A few of our recent discards were all lot worse.

 

[Soapy V]

Agree Hartung has deficiencies, but then we're rummaging in the $2.00 bin.
A few of our recent discards were all lot worse.

Not a direct go at you but I don't get that. Just because someone MAY be better than what we have doesn't make it right especially when we have had so many players not up to it. We are trying to build a top 4 list. If a player isn't good enough, he isn't good enough. Simple.

I'd class Buckley as better than Smedts but it's irrelevant as neither are good enough.

Hartung has played more than 50 games and has shown he isn't up to it. Can't get better exposed form than that. In that circumstance I would rather go with a talented kid or a mature VFL/WAFL/SANFL player who is hungry for a chance.

 

[Jimmae]

Hartung = list clogger. We still have 6 to 7 of them on our list, why add 1 more? He's shown at Hawthorn that he isn't AFL standard.

One. year. deal.

Said it a few times now.

 

[Blue and Silver]

People's ideal drafts?

Mine:

3 - Rayner
10 - Brayshaw
30 - Tim Kelly
73 - Jack Roughsedge

 

[zeeCFC]

People's ideal drafts?

Mine:

3 - Rayner
10 - Brayshaw
30 - Tim Kelly
73 - Jack Roughsedge

3. Rayner
10. Dow
30. Cerra
73. LDU

 

[Blue and Silver]

3. Rayner
10. Dow
30. Cerra
73. LDU

Lol fair.

Imagine instead a realistic best draft outcome

 

[zeeCFC]

Lol fair.

Imagine instead a realistic best draft outcome

3. Rayner
10. Clark
30. Worpel
73. McLean

 

[HARKER]

Hartung = list clogger. We still have 6 to 7 of them on our list, why add 1 more? He's shown at Hawthorn that he isn't AFL standard.

Every team will always have players some would like to call list-cloggers. There's simply no getting away from it.

6 or 7? That's great, as it means we have 37-38 ready to go best 22. Wooooohoooooooo

 

[katmanblue]

Weitering to swing

Is this what you mean?

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[katmanblue]

Just watched the highlights reel of this kid. BOY OH BOY! WOWEEEE!!!! His leap is something else! If a team takes a punt on him and he knuckles down and makes it AFL level he'll provide some truly remarkable passages of play and win mark of the year just about every year. Incredible.

Yuge 'if'.

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[Arr0w]

Hartung is a know quantity that is not AFL standard. We’ve had rookie selections that are better players than him, so the draft number is irrelevant.

Hit the draft and pick a rough diamond. An unknown is still better than a known miss.

Think you are under estimating his quality

Seen enough guys delisted to go on and have solid careers, Carrots and Wright come to mind, then you have Hamling, Membrey, Roberton

Having said that, if SOS deems a kid at 90 odd better than Hartung, so be it, some good quality could slide.

 

[Kramer1]

The nice thing about Hartung is we don't need to worry if he is AFL standard or not...betwwen Bolton and Bruce we are pretty well informed as to his strenghts and weaknesses...if we give him a shot it is because he is worth it, not because we are taking a flyer on him.

 

[ScottoP]

People's ideal drafts?

Mine:

3 - Rayner
10 - Brayshaw
30 - Tim Kelly
73 - Jack Roughsedge

3 - Rayner
10 - Clark
30 - Garner
73 - McLean

 

[Nori]

Think you are under estimating his quality

Seen enough guys delisted to go on and have solid careers, Carrots and Wright come to mind, then you have Hamling, Membrey, Roberton

Having said that, if SOS deems a kid at 90 odd better than Hartung, so be it, some good quality could slide.

Unless Hartung serves a purpose now based on his abilities as they are now then go to the draft.

You can’t recruit a Hartung on the hope that he is going to get better. The fact is he’s had plenty of opportunities to develop.

Best to put these developmental games into a fresh talent that could be a much better player.

 

[Jimmae]

People's ideal drafts?

Mine:

3 - Rayner
10 - Brayshaw
30 - Tim Kelly
73 - Jack Roughsedge

3 - LDU
10 - Bonar/D.Fogarty
30 - L.Fogarty/Patmore
72 (in the current order) - Kyron Hayden
6th round pick - Amartey/Kreuger
7th round pick (next pick) - Sambono

 

[Soapy V]

3 - LDU
10 - Bonar/D.Fogarty
30 - L.Fogarty/Patmore
72 (in the current order) - Kyron Hayden
6th round pick - Amartey/Kreuger
7th round pick (next pick) - Sambono

Take that and run

 

[Jimmae]

Take that and run

If someone offered me the draft order listed, but I had to flip a coin where I've picked two options, I'd shake their hand and take the deal.

As it stands I'm sure Port, Freo and West Coast will see to it that Hayden and Kreuger aren't on the board before we get another pick.