Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Dadda Dave]

My gut feel is that Rockcliff will nominate Port.

Aside from more money, what pull do we have over Port? Do you think we will pay him overs if it comes to a bidding war with Port?




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Irc Rocky has family in Melbourne ..And might not want to live in Adelaide ..

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Can someone please tell me there is a Jack Graham in the draft this year and we can recruit him?

We got Williamson at a later pick.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Yep i do i think we are too slow not just in the backline but all over the ground . But have somewhat been getting away with it due to our stop start game style . Clearly we are trying to rectify that by adding to the midfield but will need to do more going forward . Will give us some bargaining tools however if we need to change up the structure of the side going forward .

An extra pre-season into the kids here helps.
I love the thought of SPS, Fisher, Cuningham, Pickett and Williamson running out entire matches.

 

[Funk]

Why do so many people think we'll have a chance at Rayner - he'll never get to pick 3. Shoe in for #1 IMO. Hope I'm wrong though as he would be great for us given how it seems we'll trade.

Go read Fagan comments

I.e. We will not pick any players we deem a risk to return home.

Which is why they recruit mostly country boys.

Rayner is not a country boy!!!!

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Wouldn't be surprised if this eventuates as the trades -

Carlton Out - Gibbs
Carlton In - Pick 16 + 34

Carlton Out - Pick 16
Carlton In - M.Kennedy & D.Smith

Carlton In - Rockliff FA

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Could use 34 for Saad if we really want him if not take to the draft with 3, 34, 38 and 56. Best available with 3; 34 or 38 for T.Kelly.

Would love 10 for Gibbs instead of 16 but not sure if the Crows come to the table on that. They might do. Very well could end up a big 4 way trade deal between us, Crows, GWS and Melbourne.

Carlton Out - Gibbs, Pick 38
Carlton In - Picks 16, 18

Carlton Out - Pick 16
Carlton In - Kennedy, Smith

Carlton In - Rockliff

Carlton Out - Boekhorst, Pick 75
Carlton In - Pick 58

Take picks 3, 18, 56 and 58 into the draft.

Delist Palmer. 1 year contracts for Buckley and Graham.

 

[reubsblues]

Why do so many people think we'll have a chance at Rayner - he'll never get to pick 3. Shoe in for #1 IMO. Hope I'm wrong though as he would be great for us given how it seems we'll trade.

Im really hoping sos has told Rayner to give poor interviews to Brisbane and gold coast so they are turned off him

 

[Cliffords Blues]

Any highlights of the bloke we are rumored to be interested in from Perth ?
Tim ?

Tim Kelly

 

[Blubagger71]

I agree with most of your post except for the bit where you say Gibbs is worth only one first rounder. Gibbs is elite talent and should be valued as such. Elite disposal skills and for all you know a pick 15 or 17 for him may be a dud. You want a guarantee of quality coming in the door for trading out one of your top 3 players.

Not sure about elite. Never made AA and we haven't really achieved with him as a key part of the mid field. I love the guy but we have used him badly over the years and it has cost his profile. Wish he was forward more.
I'd be happy with a first and piece/s.

 

[LordLucifer]

Clearly we are going all out to win over Rockliff :

CARLTON has wheeled out its blue-chip sales team, using club legends Stephen Kernahan and Chris Judd in a bid to lure Tom Rockliff.

The Herald Sun can reveal Kernahan and Judd flanked Blues coach Brendon Bolton in a recent meeting with Rockliff and his manager, Tom Petroro.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...r/news-story/24258b72f22b42a6fd9f0eef9d51d368

 

[slikguy]

Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad

 

[Navara79]

Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad

Yeah but Sheil just signed a contract extension to stay at GWS. Take no notice of the trade whisperer

 

[La Dispute]

Im really hoping sos has told Rayner to give poor interviews to Brisbane and gold coast so they are turned off him

Doesn't even need to give bad interviews, just needs to be honest and say he'd prefer to remain in Victoria.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad

Trade 1. Would you do that if you were St Kilda.
No way. Get Gaff for 7, take 8 to the draft.

 

[slikguy]

Yeah but Sheil just signed a contract extension to stay at GWS. Take no notice of the trade whisperer

Hence a trade and not a free agent. Saints will offer more anyways then GWS

 

[slikguy]

Trade 1. Would you do that if you were St Kilda.
No way. Get Gaff for 7, take 8 to the draft.

I reckon they would it gets them Shiel.
GWS will ask for more then 7&8

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Graham, Buckley and Barker....someone shoot me!

 

[Navara79]

Hence a trade and not a free agent. Saints will offer more anyways then GWS

GWS would tell saints to gagf

 

[GapInIkonPark]

I reckon they would of it gets them Shiel

For 7 and 8, St Kilda would want as a minimum Pick 3 and either another 2017 first (Pick 15 or higher) or say GWS' 2018 first.

 

[Jimmae]

I reckon they would it gets them Shiel.
GWS will ask for more then 7&8

The AFL wouldn't even tick it off.

 

[slikguy]

The AFL wouldn't even tick it off.

So we throw in a future 3rd rounder to get it to 3000 points.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad

What's the point of trade 1 if all 3 picks end up with GWS anyway?

 

[F_therest]

Clearly we are going all out to win over Rockliff :



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...r/news-story/24258b72f22b42a6fd9f0eef9d51d368

I'm pretty surprised to hear Kernahan is getting involved...is he really that big a pull for a player to join Carlton?

I would have thought there may be a connection between Kernahan and Rockliff somehow...or that he was one of his favourite players growing up or something.

 

[bluegrass]

The human zone-breaker.

Need a zone broken? Call him.

Beautiful bounce of the football

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

How exciting is this campaigner?

You cant not like a guy who is willing to back himself and take the game on. If we manage to land him then Bolts should do nothing but encourage him to do it and keep doing it.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Some of those Saad runs remind me of Andrew McGrath's in his draft highlights