List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 1

[StCicatriz]

Not too bad, although I'd be putting Wright on the rookie list well before Lonie considering he's ahead of him as we speak and is a couple of years younger. Still has plenty to work in but has a lot more upside than Wright.

Pierce is probably another we could look at rookie listing and makes more sense than Rice to me, especially if we keep both our ruckmen.

i think the problem lonie will have compared to someone like wright is:
1) wright is contracted, lonie isnt
2) lonie is too one dimensional, its small fwd or bust, where as wright has held a spot in a number of different positions from small defender (geary's role), to wing, to defencive fwd

problem i have with rice is just the shear number of small defenders/half back flankers we have

plus i'm putting a fair bit of weight on contracted players vs uncontracted

 

[VDS66]

How often do players go onto the rookie list? Can people stop posting as if it's a regular occurrence. I thought the rookie list was disappearing anyway

Thank goodness someone posted this.

If they have to make room they will just cut and pay out your 2 cheapest fringe players, if we can't trade anyone out. Or we might trade surplus of no value for some crap pick to help the player.

 

[StCicatriz]

Rice is not going on a rookie list

my poor choice of wording i suspect for the confusion, more pointing to retaining them but putting them on the rookie list

 

[StCicatriz]

How often do players go onto the rookie list? Can people stop posting as if it's a regular occurrence. I thought the rookie list was disappearing anyway

its fairly regular across the comp. fair point on the last suggestion, if that happens it could solve that problem

 

[StCicatriz]

Thank goodness someone posted this.

If they have to make room they will just cut and pay out your 2 cheapest fringe players, if we can't trade anyone out. Or we might trade surplus of no value for some crap pick to help the player.

cutting contracted players is actually even rarer than shifting an uncontracted senior player to the rookie list

that usually only happens when a player has done something seriously wrong

 

[VDS66]

i think the problem lonie will have compared to someone like wright is:
1) wright is contracted, lonie isnt
2) lonie is too one dimensional, its small fwd or bust, where as wright has held a spot in a number of different positions from small defender (geary's role), to wing, to defencive fwd

problem i have with rice is just the shear number of small defenders/half back flankers we have

plus i'm putting a fair bit of weight on contracted players vs uncontracted

If Lonie doesn't cement a spot he will be deleted IMO.

Let the backs develop and if they are good, we keep or if too many, we trade.

Besides we cannot pigeon hole players into positions. Wright played half back when we got him, as did Bruce.

I'd be looking at trading surplus name players lime a ruck or Bruce for example. Someone with currency that allows to get a gun.

 

[#gosaintas]

I doubt Lonie or Wright will make it. Lonie's too small and slow and Wright is unskilled.

 

[StCicatriz]

If Lonie doesn't cement a spot he will be deleted IMO.

Let the backs develop and if they are good, we keep or if too many, we trade.

Besides we cannot pigeon hole players into positions. Wright played half back when we got him, as did Bruce.

I'd be looking at trading surplus name players lime a ruck or Bruce for example. Someone with currency that allows to get a gun.

agree mate, ruck would be the obvious choice on a trade. the only reason i went against it is just because having less than 3 rucks can make you a bit thin if injuries come. see melb/wce.

 

[bird_man]

i think the problem lonie will have compared to someone like wright is:
1) wright is contracted, lonie isnt
2) lonie is too one dimensional, its small fwd or bust, where as wright has held a spot in a number of different positions from small defender (geary's role), to wing, to defencive fwd

problem i have with rice is just the shear number of small defenders/half back flankers we have

plus i'm putting a fair bit of weight on contracted players vs uncontracted

Saunders was thrown on the rookie list while being contracted. Agree Lonie is more one dimensional but he's just a much better footballer than Wright. I have no doubt if Lonie was told he'd be going onto the rookie list someone would pick him up.

 

[saintsrfreak]

cutting contracted players is actually even rarer than shifting an uncontracted senior player to the rookie list

that usually only happens when a player has done something seriously wrong

Unless you're Nicolas Winmar

 

[Mowman]

my poor choice of wording i suspect for the confusion, more pointing to retaining them but putting them on the rookie list

If Rice is not on a our senior list he will be on another clubs senior list,

 

[StCicatriz]

Unless you're Nicolas Winmar

contract breach on how he was presenting to the club and look how much shite it caused us with the AFLPA

 

[Savage Kent]

My offers to GWS.. couple of assumptions, hawthorns pick is pick 5 and ours pick 11. Gws have pick 17.

Kelly and pick 17 for pick 5 and next years 1st
OR
Kelly and Hopper for 5, 11 and next years 2nd

Thoughts?

Would be great if we could pull off either trade. I think GWS would get more out of trading Kelly and Hopper separately though.

Realistically I would think a trade would be:
Pick 5, 11 & 2018 2ND round for Kelly & pick 17

Or Pick 11 & 2018 1st round for Hopper & 2ND round pick received from pies (currently 25). Try hard to push for pick 17 instead of pick 25

 

[StCicatriz]

Saunders was thrown on the rookie list while being contracted. Agree Lonie is more one dimensional but he's just a much better footballer than Wright. I have no doubt if Lonie was told he'd be going onto the rookie list someone would pick him up.

agree on saunders

my personal opinion on lonie is that he's over-rated and just doesnt have the attributes for senior AFL football. i doubt any club would take him TBH i think if clubs were passing over eli templeton, then they will more so on lonie

wright was pick 25/26 from memory made the AIS squad. he's quick and hard at it, can play multiple positions
lonie was pick 41, didnt make the AIS squad, can only play small fwd using a game that is more built on pressure acts than scoreboard impact. he's perfect example of a stats footballer IMO where he's found a niche stat to drive his selection but the actual impact he has is minimal. i mean compare him to say sinclair's game just gone or minchingtons the week before. we've never seen that from him, maybe the brisbane game last year which had a lot of junk time in it

the only thing i do find frustrating is that we have a habit of offering 2 year deals to players that dont deserve them. minchington and wright only deserved a year IMO

 

[StCicatriz]

If Rice is not on a our senior list he will be on another clubs senior list,

wouldnt they have just drafted him then given how late we took him in the draft? has he really come on that far? do clubs really go that hard for a back pocket/stopper?

where his improvement come from? i know the clubs talking him up, i havent seen him at sandy so generally interested where the growth has come from?

 

[BarkerFan]

wouldnt they have just drafted him then given how late we took him in the draft? has he really come on that far? do clubs really go that hard for a back pocket/stopper?

where his improvement come from? i know the clubs talking him up, i havent seen him at sandy so generally interested where the growth has come from?

His improvement comes from his tank and overall running ability. He has the other required traits including a beautiful kick, stronbg at the ball, good awareness

he has improved his conditioning this year a lot and his form shows that...
If he works hard enough he can make an impact at AFL level in 2018-2019 IMO

 

[StCicatriz]

His improvement comes from his tank and overall running ability. He has the other required traits including a beautiful kick, stronbg at the ball, good awareness

he has improved his conditioning this year a lot and his form shows that...
If he works hard enough he can make an impact at AFL level in 2018-2019 IMO

is he still looking likely to play as a shutdown defender on a small fwd or has he developed other aspects of his game?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

i think the problem lonie will have compared to someone like wright is:
1) wright is contracted, lonie isnt
2) lonie is too one dimensional, its small fwd or bust, where as wright has held a spot in a number of different positions from small defender (geary's role), to wing, to defencive fwd

problem i have with rice is just the shear number of small defenders/half back flankers we have

plus i'm putting a fair bit of weight on contracted players vs uncontracted

Rice had Wright well & truly covered.

I rate Lonie but his size is becoming an issue. Needs to stick the tackles that he did in year 1. He was a little junkyard Dog but has lost his bite a bit.


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[Periphery]

Rice had Wright well & truly covered.

I rate Lonie but his size is becoming an issue. Needs to stick the tackles that he did in year 1. He was a little junkyard Dog but has lost his bite a bit.


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What? Lonie is averaging more tackles than he did in his first year and the 3rd most of any player at the Saints.

lonie was pick 41, didnt make the AIS squad, can only play small fwd using a game that is more built on pressure acts than scoreboard impact. he's perfect example of a stats footballer IMO where he's found a niche stat to drive his selection but the actual impact he has is minimal. i mean compare him to say sinclair's game just gone or minchingtons the week before. we've never seen that from him, maybe the brisbane game last year which had a lot of junk time in it

Sinclair wasn't playing as a small forward yesterday.

 

[VDS66]

is he still looking likely to play as a shutdown defender on a small fwd or has he developed other aspects of his game?

It's his 2ND year, mate. He had glandular fever last year. Let him develop. He's motoring OK.

 

[StCicatriz]

What? Lonie is averaging more tackles than he did in his first year and the 3rd most of any player at the Saints.



Sinclair wasn't playing as a small forward yesterday.

how many of those tackles are effective though, like i said he's a stats footballer greater for champion data rankings but for actual impact on the game i'd say its negligible at best? as for the 2nd comment, doesnt that go someway to proving my point about diversity?

 

[RoundCubic]

delistings are going to be tough if we dont trade anyone out:
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Need to get Roo, Roberton, Webster, Sinclair and Billings signed asap

 

[StCicatriz]

Need to get Roo, Roberton, Webster, Sinclair and Billings signed asap

hopefully some movement on roberton soon as a priority!

 

[Periphery]

how many of those tackles are effective though, like i said he's a stats footballer greater for champion data rankings but for actual impact on the game i'd say its negligible at best? as for the 2nd comment, doesnt that go someway to proving my point about diversity?

A tackle only counts as a tackle if it impedes the opposition disposal. So by definition it is effective on some level. So unless you want to define effective in more detail and find relevant data to back up your claims then you are just talking crap about a player without having anything to back it up.

You weren't referring to diversity when talking about Sinclair in that post. You were talking about impact while comparing apples to oranges.

Is Sinc able to play more positions? At this stage we've seen him play 1 game in the middle while Lonie has had stints through the middle. So probably Sinc is more well rounded. But we all knew that already - hence why pretty much everyone has been calling for him to be played as a mid in the AFL instead of a forward.

 

[bennymc7]

hopefully some movement on roberton soon as a priority!

I'd say all those blokes are high priority!