List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

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SaintsSeptember said:
Newnes cemented his spot during the 2013 season, when was the article written?
As pointed out... Q Where is Jimmy Webster. A. In the backline.
Last year Jack Steven won the most contested possessions, but Armo was easily second best. ( 9.7 )
Montagna had more disposals than Ross last year.
Dempster was rock solid in Defense.

I'd argue that the game changes and you can't just judge it with a simple win-loss or ladder postion argument. For starters Essendon had a VFL squad last year.
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He was cemented in the side but he was far from untouchable, I reckon he would be close to our most important now. Last year Jimmy couldn't get a game so he is probably basing it on last years form.
 
HalAlaric said:
Hi y'all, I heard on the grapevine your side are interested in the services of a key defender and are looking squarely at Jake Lever as your number 1 target. I understand most believe a mid is the most important for you this year but has anyone on your side heard anything about this?
Congrats on the game yesterday btw
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No offence champ, but my Blues friends on your board said you have no cred. Thanks for your interest in our great club, but we have enough campaigners here to throw darts. Jog on champ
 
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HalAlaric said:
Hi y'all, I heard on the grapevine your side are interested in the services of a key defender and are looking squarely at Jake Lever as your number 1 target. I understand most believe a mid is the most important for you this year but has anyone on your side heard anything about this?
Congrats on the game yesterday btw
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HalAlaric said:
Hi y'all, I heard on the grapevine your side are interested in the services of a key defender and are looking squarely at Jake Lever as your number 1 target. I understand most believe a mid is the most important for you this year but has anyone on your side heard anything about this?
Congrats on the game yesterday btw
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I think that's manager driven talk...

Already have Carlisle, Brown, Goddard, Marshall and others... priority is mids.
 
Glen Buterol said:
THERE is no doubt St Kilda is an emerging team but the Saints have been slightly disappointing so far this season.

We all thought the Saints would be challenging for finals, and they are, but their performances haven’t been of standout quality where we can categorically say we can see where they’ve improved.

That does happen sometimes and there’s no real cause for concern — it’s just the nature of a developing team with a lot of young players.

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CARLTON TRADES: CAN THE BLUES GET KELLY?

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POWER TRADES: WHAT NEXT FOR THE POWER?

What St Kilda need is an A-grade star. They have invested in the midfield but don’t have a standout marquee player other than Riewoldt.

So there is no point going after more B or C-grade players. They have a lot of those already and brought in a few more from other clubs in recent trade periods — good players but hardly untouchable stars.

Aim high and chase the guns.

When I look at the St Kilda list there are a lot of question marks on players and the Saints have probably been a touch fortunate in that their depth hasn’t really been tested with a long injury list.

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The Saints have the cash to land Dustin Martin. Picture: Getty Images
Will Nathan Freeman’s body stand up and can he perform at the top level? Where is Leigh Montagna at? Will Nick Riewoldt play on? Luke Dunstan? He hasn’t quite come on and Blake Acres? He’s shown some signs but needs to do more and take the next step. Will Paddy McCartin be the player we all thought he would? The concussions are a real worry. Where is Jimmy Webster at? Can Hugh Goddard develop after such a serious injury?

The big question mark is on David Armitage. He’s missed a lot of footy this year with a groin injury but have the Saints really missed him? He’s 29 but can you say he has reached great heights in his career? He had one great season but now the Saints have younger options with the likes of Seb Ross, Jack Steele, Jack Steven and even Koby Stevens.

There is definite potential there for the Saints to make a move on the midfielder if it helps them secure one of their A-grade midfield targets. But would anyone be willing to take him? His body might be letting him down now.




If there is a good offer from a club I would jump at it.

I wrote in a St Kilda list analysis column two years ago that a lot would depend on the development of St Kilda’s youngsters and I do have queries on McCartin and Goddard. Will they become the players the Saints thought they would when they drafted them?

With Goddard, the recruitment of Jake Carlisle and Nathan Brown raises concerns for me over where he fits into the line-up when he gets himself fit and in form. He can play forward too but has been used down back to teach him competitiveness and that is a good part of his development.


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He also has his injury troubles and can’t seem to get a run at it at the Saints. Could he benefit from new surroundings? If St Kilda was offered a good deal for either he or McCartin — that would help you get a gun — I’d be seriously considering it.


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WHO THE SAINTS SHOULD TARGET

The Saints have been linked to GWS star Josh Kelly and he’s exactly what they need. Class and polish on the outside to complement those in and under players. He fits perfectly into their list profile, at 22 years of age, and would really give them a boost because he’s a match-winner.

Dustin Martin would be an unbelievable get. He would be that marquee player, the face of the club who draws big crowds because he is such a damaging player. A match-winner who wins his own ball but is also devastating on the outside and he hits the scoreboard.

If I had to choose between the two I’d go for Kelly only because the Saints do have a couple of big-bodied midfielders who play a similar role — Steven and Dunstan although he hasn’t really come on and that’s exactly why they targeted Freeman from Collingwood.

Martin would be St Kilda’s best player but Kelly would be more damaging and better for their structure because he’s such a good ball user who breaks the lines and can rebound from defence on the outside.

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What does the future hold for St Kilda champ Nick Riewoldt? Picture: Getty Images
The Saints should also be talking to Kelly’s teammates Lachie Whitfield and Devon Smith.

And while they’re at it head over to the SCG and talk to Zak Jones. All of those guys are quick and use the ball really well.

The other one is Jason Johannisen. He’s such a good ball user and takes the game on with his pace and he would just add another element. The Saints are really lacking that x-factor type player that gets supporters off their seat and excited whenever they get the ball.

Jasper Pittard would also be an option across halfback.

In order of preference I would have: 1. Kelly 2. Martin 3. Johannisen 4. Pittard 5. Whitfield 6. D. Smith 7. Z. Jones.

UNTOUCHABLES

Jack Steven, Nick Riewoldt, Seb Ross, Jake Carlisle, Jarryn Geary, Jack Billings, Dylan Roberton, Mav Weller, Sam Gilbert

Gary Buckenara was Hawthorn’s sole full-time recruiting staff member from 2004 before the Hawks brought in Chris Pelchen and then Graham Wright as recruiting and list manager and expanded the recruiting department.
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Had me until the Mav untouchable bit. No Newnes and Gresh either??
 

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DGontheQT said:
If Fremantle wanted to re-unite the Weller brothers , by obtaining Mav , what could we get back ?
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Nothing that could be worth it.

Last year Mav was probably half of ours choice to be captain and definitely was mine. A bloody maniac attack on the pill.

He's had a shit year no doubt but the players love him and he clearly does help with leadership for our younger kids.

Strength by Loyalty guys, back Mav to turn it around. Hopefully in the VFL though ;)
 
That Gary Buckenara article made me laugh where he says the Dogs JJ is a great user of the footy. He is a shocker, turns it over all the time . Even doggies supporters say the same thing. He's quick at running but just kicks it anywhere . He's the last player we would want.
Pittard would be more interesting but I can't see him getting traded any time soon .

Also saying Mav is an untouchable is a bit much considering he was delisted when we picked him up.
 
stavro#4 said:
An interesting tidbit if you want to put the puzzle pieces together.... The club isn't expecting to have a first rounder this year
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Yesssssssss absolutely perfect draft to do it in too

If we end up with one of Kelly or Martin even if it costs both first rounders this year it will be one of the best plays we've seen at the trade table. Long term play
 
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