List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

[FlyingSledghamer]

There is nothing to suggest we can develop a kelly from the upcoming draft within the time frame we need to win a flag

What is the best example you've got?

Why are you so against a big offer to kelly?

What is the time frame?
Kelly is an exceptional player. Believe me, if we get him i wont be upset.

 

[Joffaboy]

We could get lucky like Bont , Cripps , Kelly ( oh wait ) in 2013
Or
Lever , Heeney , Wright , Miller 2014

Out of all of those I would say only Bont and Lever showed consistent form in the first couple of years of football.

The others had massive potential and showed it but not like those two.

So out of the 2013 and 2014 top ten, two were ready straight away.

In this case we have a 10% chance of getting an AFL ready kid.

We draft kids who are underdeveloped. They take usually two to three years in the system.
Will our fans be patient for another 2 to 3 years before we contend? Will Richo last? The war drums are already beating this year.
Having said that a kid walks into 2018 Saints not 2013 Saints so the chances of accelerating the development of a top kid is better.

All in all, I prefer Kelly

 

[Timeoftheseason]

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Jelly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Bong

 

[saintsrfreak]

Hawks pick & our 2018 2nd rounder for kelly.



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GWS would laugh their asses of at that

 

[Persevering Saint]

 

[STK2020]

You are dreaming. There has never been a team with 21 evenly spread team mates with good skills.

For that matter there has never been a team with 21 evenly spread players in it period.

Please show mean one premiership team that did not have at least several guns in it.

St Kilda lacks enough out and out guns and in particular in the midfield. Steven is very good, but he is not elite. Roo is a gun, but is on the wrong side of 30.


We can recruit more average players, and even good players, but that will now make little difference to improving our team. We need some guns to take us to the top. with out them we make finals, but will have no impact.

Every team has guns , and F@#k me they all started as 18 yo kids drafted and developed by their clubs .
All im concerned about is that by getting Kelly will that effect our overall team pushing for a flag eg...cap space , re sign ups , drafting ect...
Last thing the club needs is this " We want jelly " campaign to turn into a popularity circus .
By the way .....Brisbane & Hawthorn premiership teams had even spread of players with no passengers.

 

[bennymc7]

As the Kelly story gets bigger i dont think our cool heads (bains) will get sucked in.. our final offer will be calculated so as not to potentially force players out..

On richo potentially not lasting:

A football teams improvement is not linear, one step forward two steps back etc.. look at the way port are going. History suggests our period of success should be 7-10 years after our first "draft haul" (billings, dunstan, acres).. not saying we haven't been dissapointing in the last fortnight, but a sluggish back end of this season could be the line in the sand period this group could need

 

[VDS66]

Every team has guns , and F@#k me they all started as 18 yo kids drafted and developed by their clubs .
All im concerned about is that by getting Kelly will that effect our overall team pushing for a flag eg...cap space , re sign ups , drafting ect...
Last thing the club needs is this " We want jelly " campaign to turn into a popularity circus .
By the way .....Brisbane & Hawthorn premiership teams had even spread of players with no passengers.

A valid concern , but don't confuse the Club's strategy with the noise and hype on here. I doubt they would blow all these years of hard work for the sake of one player.

 

[FQFjt]

All 3 first round picks we currently hold for Kelly and Whitfield - or is that not allowed?

 

[STK2020]

All 3 first round picks we currently hold for Kelly and Whitfield - or is that not allowed?

I would want a pick coming back

 

[pebblesofsand]

Remind me of how many flags Judd won Carlton , Ablett won Suns , Dangerfield won Geelong , Franklin won Sydney.
I can only think of one Tom Boyd and they got their flag through top end picks and good timing .

Nail - Head

A lot of people on this forum have an over inflated sense of where our list is at.

Just like Carlton did all those years ago!!!!

 

[jonathons11]

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[Cornish]

Kelly and Dusty, yes please.

 

[Quixote]

Some of the madness in these threads... I reckon I saw someone say last week we should trade for Chris Masten!!?

 

[VDS66]

Keep in mind that trading away our picks isn't the only option.

We can still trade out a player or two and get back into the draft this year. A decent pick might be enough to land Kelly and still leave us with a first round in the draft.

Not saying it will happen, but if a club makes a hefty play for Hickey or Bruce, you'd have to look at it.

Much will depend on how the year plays out, mainly at Sandy. Think Goddard, White, Marshall and Rice. Their development will have a bearing on potential trading of players.

Goddard gives us an option up forward if needed. White can play half back which means another play can go into the middle.

So many options... just gotta look outside the square.

 

[Yawkey way]

I know it's not a popular thing to say but take a good hard look at our list imho we are five a graders away from a genuine flag contender.

It must be hard for the club we have done a lot of things right on and off the field but we were coming from a long way back.

Everyone wants the quick fix, that just isn't possible imho with this list. Sure every star you bring in gets you that much closer but at what cost. When you trade out of the early rounds it means you end up with two or three players coming to your club who probably won't make it or will be good ordinary players at best.

I don't even have to try to find at least 14 player who aren't up to it or will retire in the next two years. Here is a challenge for people who think I'm wrong. What realistic scenario that doesn't cripple our ability to finish the the job of going on to win a flag brings in enough top players for us to finish top four next year?. Remember if you trade in a young gun you have to use one first rounder, you have to manage the salary cap and take your mandatory three draft picks.

If we improve our list at the trade table and hit the first round of the draft hard with at least two picks hopefully three I will be very happy. Then hopefully we will be able to take advantage of FREE agency next year.

 

[VDS66]

I know it's not a popular thing to say but take a good hard look at our list imho we are five a graders away from a genuine flag contender.

It must be hard for the club we have done a lot of things right on and off the field but we were coming from a long way back.

Everyone wants the quick fix, that just isn't possible imho with this list. Sure every star you bring in gets you that much closer but at what cost. When you trade out of the early rounds it means you end up with two or three players coming to your club who probably won't make it or will be good ordinary players at best.

I don't even have to try to find at least 14 player who aren't up to it or will retire in the next two years. Here is a challenge for people who think I'm wrong. What realistic scenario that doesn't cripple our ability to finish the the job of going on to win a flag brings in enough top players for us to finish top four next year?. Remember if you trade in a young gun you have to use one first rounder, you have to manage the salary cap and take your mandatory three draft picks.

If we improve our list at the trade table and hit the first round of the draft hard with at least two picks hopefully three I will be very happy. Then hopefully we will be able to take advantage of FREE agency next year.

See my post above

 

[plugger66]

Nail - Head

A lot of people on this forum have an over inflated sense of where our list is at.

Just like Carlton did all those years ago!!!!

There is 12 games to go before we see where the list is at. This time last year 12 wins was impossible. If we win 12 again this year that's a big improvement and Kelly could make a huge difference if we also got another top liner. Kelly and Steven together would be huge. If we win 8 games this year I'm with you and also Kelly may have no interest at all if that happens.

 

[plugger66]

I know it's not a popular thing to say but take a good hard look at our list imho we are five a graders away from a genuine flag contender.

It must be hard for the club we have done a lot of things right on and off the field but we were coming from a long way back.

Everyone wants the quick fix, that just isn't possible imho with this list. Sure every star you bring in gets you that much closer but at what cost. When you trade out of the early rounds it means you end up with two or three players coming to your club who probably won't make it or will be good ordinary players at best.

I don't even have to try to find at least 14 player who aren't up to it or will retire in the next two years. Here is a challenge for people who think I'm wrong. What realistic scenario that doesn't cripple our ability to finish the the job of going on to win a flag brings in enough top players for us to finish top four next year?. Remember if you trade in a young gun you have to use one first rounder, you have to manage the salary cap and take your mandatory three draft picks.

If we improve our list at the trade table and hit the first round of the draft hard with at least two picks hopefully three I will be very happy. Then hopefully we will be able to take advantage of FREE agency next year.

I'm unsure how 2 picks that could be good or poor is better than Kelly who we know is at least an A grader and maybe a champion. If we lose our 2 first rounders for Kelly we have done fantastic. Kelly, Long, Battle for maybe pick 9 and 10. Looks good to me.

 

[stfan]

Kelly and Dusty, yes please.

Another dream.

Dusty will not be going anywhere IMO. Richmond simply cannot afford to lose him now either onfield or off. Richmond will match any FA offer unless it was so ridiculous that it would also castrate the club that made it.

And why at present would Dusty choose the Saints over the Tigers?

Yes Kelly clubs, including the Saints, have a chance of getting as 1/ GWS cannot pay him anywhere near his market worth, and 2/ reportedly he wants to return to Melbourne.

 

[King_Steele]

I know it's not a popular thing to say but take a good hard look at our list imho we are five a graders away from a genuine flag contender.

It must be hard for the club we have done a lot of things right on and off the field but we were coming from a long way back.

Everyone wants the quick fix, that just isn't possible imho with this list. Sure every star you bring in gets you that much closer but at what cost. When you trade out of the early rounds it means you end up with two or three players coming to your club who probably won't make it or will be good ordinary players at best.

I don't even have to try to find at least 14 player who aren't up to it or will retire in the next two years. Here is a challenge for people who think I'm wrong. What realistic scenario that doesn't cripple our ability to finish the the job of going on to win a flag brings in enough top players for us to finish top four next year?. Remember if you trade in a young gun you have to use one first rounder, you have to manage the salary cap and take your mandatory three draft picks.

If we improve our list at the trade table and hit the first round of the draft hard with at least two picks hopefully three I will be very happy. Then hopefully we will be able to take advantage of FREE agency next year.

Agree 100%.

We don't have the cattle.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Will be really interesting to see what North do now, because surely they will realise that $9 mil over 9 is probably underpaying him by a couple of mil or more in the long run, if Kelly keeps progressing and doesn't get badly hit by injuries etc.

They probably need to up it to $10mil minimum, and maybe $11mil, which they may very well do. $9mil is just not enough.

Think we need to go to $7.5 mil over 6 if he keeps this form up. Hard to imagine other clubs not throwing their hats into the ring either.

 

[thepoyz]

Collingwood came close in 2010.

They had the 3rd and 4th place getter in the Brownlow...

 

[bennymc7]

Nail - Head

A lot of people on this forum have an over inflated sense of where our list is at.

Just like Carlton did all those years ago!!!!

I don't think that people have an inflated opinion on the talent, i think that people have unrealistic expectations on the timeline and current development.

Wanting week in week out performances from blokes yet to tick over 50 games... as frustrating as it is because we see what blokes are capable of