List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

[saintsman24]

IF Fyfe agrees to come to us then it's 100% guaranteed that Freo match. To think otherwise is just a ridiculous fantasy. Freo are not a charity.

Has the club been having a busy week Ghost?

 

[35Saints35]

If the hawks pick is a top 3 pick you'd think freo would be happy enough with that- maybe that plus some steaknives?

Hawks pick and steaknives for fyfe
Our 2 first rounders for jelly

This

 

[The_Steadier]

If that is the case keep him, their compensation pick could easily be top 5 what would we be giving up to beat that.

Then there's just the small matter of a bucket of cash, no thanks.

****ing hell here we go again click, click boom.

I thought the saints had moved on, I guess not.

You're right.

We should forget about fyfe and instead put an actual bucket of money into the midfield next year to draw a tag away from jack steven.

Imagine how many goals stuv would kick while they opposition are distracted by all those coins!


It's truly incredible that people need to be convinced that at the end of a 5 year rebuild; getting a 25 year old brownlow medalist club captain for pick 10 and market rates salary is a good idea.

 

[Longmembrey]

the only reason freo would match a ridiculous offer would be so they can force a trade and get more than they otherwise would with straight compensation. its not because they're actually willing to pay him that amount. if he's accepted the saints offer than freo will know he wants to leave and that will be it. they will just match so they can get the best value possible in return.

OK but then they take the risk that Saints only offered big $ in yhe hope that they don't have to trade, so if Freo match, Saints could say "no thanks" and Freo are left paying "ridiculous" $ to a bloke that doesn't want to be there. That risk is why Freo will not match (or at least, why it won't come to that)

 

[Saintos The ITK]

 

[aussierulesrules]

2 best mates.... Pretty sure Kelly is very good friends with Nathan Freeman too

Well they played together at Sandy Dragons, so there's a fair chance that's true. He has reportedly been friends with Jack Billings since they started playing rep footy together when they were 12yo, too.

 

[Hayes4PM]

The way some of us talk about going into the Trade and FA period, reminds me of the bottom panel of this comic strip (which you'll find on many an academic's facebook feed, fyi):

I've spent about $500 on books this last month so I guess that's me.

 

[Rabbito1994]

the only reason freo would match a ridiculous offer would be so they can force a trade and get more than they otherwise would with straight compensation. its not because they're actually willing to pay him that amount. if he's accepted the saints offer than freo will know he wants to leave and that will be it. they will just match so they can get the best value possible in return.

Just thinking...

So what happens if Fyfe agrees to us and wants to come and Freo then match because they want our picks (even though they may not want to pay him that much) but because they ask for too much in trade, Saints pull out of the deal?

Means Freo would be left with a Player that doesn't really want to be there & Freo would be paying more than they want or even more than they have for him?

EDIT: Just noticed @Longmembrey just posted this exact comment

 

[HappyTears]

Seeing all this talk about who gets who, what do we do if we cant get Fyfe Kelly or Martin? What's the plan then?

 

[PrinceofSeaford]

OK but then they take the risk that Saints only offered big $ in yhe hope that they don't have to trade, so if Freo match, Saints could say "no thanks" and Freo are left paying "ridiculous" $ to a bloke that doesn't want to be there. That risk is why Freo will not match (or at least, why it won't come to that)

you'd reckon they have a fair understanding about what we would do before deciding.
as someone said earlier, with the amount of offers fyfe will be getting he could easily say to any club "you have to agree to trade with freo if they decide to match" before agreeing to any deal himself.
i think MG also stated a fair while back that if it came down to that we would still trade for him as its not a great look for the club and also a may deter other free agents from considering coming to us in future out of fear of being left in the same position.
we wouldn't put all this work into him if we weren't prepared to trade for him as it is a very likely scenario.

 

[PrinceofSeaford]

Just thinking...

So what happens if Fyfe agrees to us and wants to come and Freo then match because they want our picks (even though they may not want to pay him that much) but because they ask for too much in trade, Saints pull out of the deal?

Means Freo would be left with a Player that doesn't really want to be there & Freo would be paying more than they want or even more than they have for him?

EDIT: Just noticed @Longmembrey just posted this exact comment

i would say it would end up much like the danger trade. considered to be unders to a certain extent whilst still being more than what they would get in compensation.

 

[Crusty Undies]

If we get fyfe and kelly isn't a safe bet to say our 2018 first rounder is likely a late one?

If we remain mid table like we are now for the rest of the season (or improve and play finals?), then our 2017 1st pick is a mid rounder.
So you agree that isn't a 'lousy' deal, infact you say where do we sign?


As for fyfe for the hawks pick being a 'lousy' deal..... I respectfully, wholeheartedly disagree.

It's a bloody fantastic deal.

You are judging it against an option that is a complete fairytale (RFA, no picks needed).
Forget it, it's just not possible because:
A. Freo want to keep him
B. Fyfe doesn't HATE freo, he isn't desperate to leave
C. Freo have plenty of cap space

We would need at least 1 of those factors to be false in order for us (or anyone) to have a shot at getting him as an RFA.

Do yourself a favour and forget about free agency and judge fyfe for hawks pick against other big trades for young brownlow winners.

Like judd to carlton for instance?!

Fyfe for hawks pick (which only cost us pick 10!!!!) is an incredible deal for us.

But this is based on Fyfe being our only option. If there were no other big name FAs or RFAs this year then perhaps. But luckily for us there is. If we offer Fyfe a big contract and Freo match then good luck to them, they just filled up their cap and we can go after another one in Martin or Rockliff. Trading for Fyfe is worst case scenario imo. Would rather he stays at Freo on a massive contact than trade for him especially with his form being down on what it was his brownlow year.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Seeing all this talk about who gets who, what do we do if we cant get Fyfe Kelly or Martin? What's the plan then?

Take 2 first rounders to the draft and pick the next 2 Fyfe's, Kelly's or Martin's.

 

[Joffaboy]

And has reportedly been friends with Jack Billings since they started playing rep footy together when they were 12yo.

Apparently he is best friends with everyone at the Saints. True.

 

[Rabbito1994]

But this is based on Fyfe being our only option. If there were no other big name FAs or RFAs this year then perhaps. But luckily for us there is. If we offer Fyfe a big contract and Freo match then good luck to them, they just filled up their cap and we can go after another one in Martin or Rockliff. Trading for Fyfe is worst case scenario imo. Would rather he stays at Freo on a massive contact than trade for him especially with his form being down on what it was his brownlow year.

Although if his form keeps as it is it would drive his trade price down considerably you'd think...could be a win there.
Especially if it is that he doesn't really want to be there anymore and in a new environment and with us his form returns to what it was....

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

OK but then they take the risk that Saints only offered big $ in yhe hope that they don't have to trade, so if Freo match, Saints could say "no thanks" and Freo are left paying "ridiculous" $ to a bloke that doesn't want to be there. That risk is why Freo will not match (or at least, why it won't come to that)

It simply doesn't work like that. If a club offers any FA big money it's because they want him, not because they're playing some silly game.
If Jack Steven was a FA and he signed with Freo, would you just let him walk and accept pick 10 as compensation or would you match the contract and then trade him for pick 4 and pick 20? Clubs talk to each other, it's not this secretive business supporters all think it is.
I know we all want a FA for nothing but it simply won't happen unless Freo are trying to deliberately implode.

 

[Rabbito1994]

Apparently he is best friends with everyone at the Saints. True.

Watch for him starting to grow a man-bun

 

[Joffaboy]

Take 2 first rounders to the draft and pick the next 2 Fyfe's, Kelly's or Martin's.

Indeed. What a terrible worst case option

We really cant lose.

 

[Periphery]

IF Fyfe agrees to come to us then it's 100% guaranteed that Freo match. To think otherwise is just a ridiculous fantasy. Freo are not a charity.

So what you are saying is that we need to have traded out all our first rounders before Fyfe announces he wants to come to us?

Edit: Moorabbin Ghost I'll take that 'like' as confirmation that this is the plan. Thanks MG (or do you prefer to be called Mr Bains instead?).

 

[Crusty Undies]

Although if his form keeps as it is it would drive his trade price down considerably you'd think...could be a win there.
Especially if it is that he doesn't really want to be there anymore and in a new environment and with us his form returns to what it was....

Yeah if his form stays down then get him as an RFA. Not sure why bad form would be more incentive to trade for him though?

 

[Yawkey way]

You're right.

We should forget about fyfe and instead put an actual bucket of money into the midfield next year to draw a tag away from jack steven.

Imagine how many goals stuv would kick while they opposition are distracted by all those coins!

IMHO we can improve the team and yes the midfield more with the money and picks required spent elsewhere.

If you think Fyfe is worth the picks and money that is your opinion.

I think we need a fair bit more than one player in average form coming off a broken leg.

 

[Crusty Undies]

It simply doesn't work like that. If a club offers any FA big money it's because they want him, not because they're playing some silly game.
If Jack Steven was a FA and he signed with Freo, would you just let him walk and accept pick 10 as compensation or would you match the contract and then trade him for pick 4 and pick 20? Clubs talk to each other, it's not this secretive business supporters all think it is.
I know we all want a FA for nothing but it simply won't happen unless Freo are trying to deliberately implode.

From what I understand though that's not how it works. I thought if a club matched the offer that was it done deal no trade. May be wrong but I thought matching meant the player either stayed at the club or walked to the draft.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

From what I understand though that's not how it works. I thought if a club matched the offer that was it done deal no trade. May be wrong but I thought matching meant the player either stayed at the club or walked to the draft.

Incorrect. They've matched an offer, not signed the player. Fyfe would still be contracted until October 31 like any player coming out of contract so there are 4 options for player and club:
1. Player signs the matched FA contract.
2. Club and player agree to a trade.
3. Club delists player (becomes delisted FA)
4. Player delists himself (forcing himself into draft).

 

[Longmembrey]

Just thinking...

So what happens if Fyfe agrees to us and wants to come and Freo then match because they want our picks (even though they may not want to pay him that much) but because they ask for too much in trade, Saints pull out of the deal?

Means Freo would be left with a Player that doesn't really want to be there & Freo would be paying more than they want or even more than they have for him?

EDIT: Just noticed @Longmembrey just posted this exact comment

Genius point!

 

[Crusty Undies]

Incorrect. They've matched an offer, not signed the player. Fyfe would still be contracted until October 31 like any player coming out of contract so there are 4 options for player and club:
1. Player signs the matched FA contract.
2. Club and player agree to a trade.
3. Club delists player (becomes delisted FA)
4. Player delists himself (forcing himself into draft).

Fair enough my bad.