List Mgmt. 2018 Draft, Free Agency & Trade Hypotheticals thread, Part II: Nothing happened!

[doona]

So what can we expect to get for Newman? Do the Blues have a 3rd or 4th rounder to offer?

The article suggested Carlton see him as a DFA as opposed to trading for him. That shows Newman's value really.

 

[Caj]

I don't think it is concerning at all when the player stays at their own club.

It is not like a player we targeted changed clubs or chose GWS over us.

Duryea has chosen the Dogs over us

As for the others, Vandnebourg was the only one that I think would've been a good get for us.

The point I'm making is that we're aiming low and failing, that is cause for concern

 

[doona]

Duryea has chosen the Dogs over us

I could be wrong but from the surface and reading into reports, we had some interest but I think that we cooled on Duryea as much as him on us.

 

[TheMase]

Rookie upgrades count as taking a spot on the senior list before the draft I believe

Must have changed it. It used to be that way.

Either way that brings us down to 5 spots and therefore we have 26, 33, 38, 39, 40. I cant see 70 being much use to us anyway.

Therefore we will take Blakey, 2-3 players (depending on Newman or others) 39-41ish and then Ronke upgrade will make 4 spots unless we have further trades or list changes to make to keep a squad of 38 as we have done in the past.

 

[bedford]

Harry Marsh looking for trade.

 

[TheMase]

again, not how it works.
Rookies are just upgraded. nothing to do with draft picks anymore.

Ok. Thanks, again.

 

[Caj]

Harry Marsh looking for trade.

He's got about as much chance as Dan Robinson last year

 

[RobbieK]

Duryea has chosen the Dogs over us

As for the others, Vandnebourg was the only one that I think would've been a good get for us.

The point I'm making is that we're aiming low and failing, that is cause for concern

We weren't interested in vandenBurg until he approached us saying he was looking to move to Sydney. And then he signed with the Demons again. So I don't think he can be used as an example of a player we went out to try and get.

We have no idea why Duryea has chosen the Bulldogs. To stay in Melbourne rather than uproot his life to Sydney? Because they offered him more money? Because they offered him more opportunities to play? They are a weaker team, we have a lot of quality players in our defence, maybe the fact that we are a better team than the Dogs meant that he was better off joining them?

There are a bunch of reasons why a player would chose one club over another, most of which would have no reflection upon the desirability of our club or our club's ability to bring in players. I don't see any reason to be too concerned that a couple of players we were looking at for depth ended up choosing to play elsewhere.

If we had bid money contracts for highly desired players that were well beyond what other clubs were offering repeatedly being turned down (North...) then I'd think that there was something wrong that was putting players off. Bit part players choosing elsewhere? Not so much.

 

[doona]

Harry Marsh looking for trade.

Makes sense for him if he can find a club to get more game time.

 

[doona]

Was interesting on Trade Radio where Port Adelaide & Carlton openly said that whoever GCS draft, they will be looking to get them in a couple of years when they move home. GCS have no chance.

 

[Kirkswan]

Was interesting on Trade Radio where Port Adelaide & Carlton openly said that whoever GCS draft, they will be looking to get them in a couple of years when they move home. GCS have no chance.

Yes, they do... it just takes a while and a little bit of success. Once they start winning, then players will want to stay. We were the same, remember??? I'm really hopeful that Stewie will be a catalyst for them over the next three years... then Port & Carlton will have to develop their own players!

 

[Keyter]

Was interesting on Trade Radio where Port Adelaide & Carlton openly said that whoever GCS draft, they will be looking to get them in a couple of years when they move home. GCS have no chance.

With global warming should be relocated to tassie. At least they would have home support.

 

[Wolftone]

I don't think anyone really cares that we missed on Langdon as a player (or Duryea now as well), what is concerning is that we have targeted a heap of B graders and haven't been able to land any of them.

At the same time, the Hawks look like landing 2 a grade midfielders and an ex first round draft pick

What is going on?

I don't consider Langdon a B grader. He was, Pies best in a GF

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[Caj]

I don't consider Langdon a B grader. He was, Pies best in a GF

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Agree that he played a great finals series, but he's still a B grader

He'd be a handy pick up for us, but is hardly going to determine whether we are top 4 or not

 

[bedford]

Agree that he played a great finals series, but he's still a B grader

He'd be a handy pick up for us, but is hardly going to determine whether we are top 4 or not

He's not coming now , move on !

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Harry Marsh looking for trade.

Good news. Offers below 70 would be gratefully received.

 

[TheMase]

Yes, they do... it just takes a while and a little bit of success. Once they start winning, then players will want to stay. We were the same, remember??? I'm really hopeful that Stewie will be a catalyst for them over the next three years... then Port & Carlton will have to develop their own players!

The problem is that they get top talent in, get two years of development and then they get poached. They don’t seem to be able to attract high quality players but seem to lose a lot of their drafted top talent that would otherwise build to premiership success.

It seems like it is a never ending cycle of losing the top talent before be getting the continuity in their list in order to challenge so that they can retain this talent.

It’s a concern.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

Is it possible that no player, apart from Clarke, wants to play for Longmire in the Grinder machine.

Also that we were spooked by Norf and signed massive and long contracts to so many players and hamstrung our list

I cant remember any player nominating Sydney as their destination, maybe ever since Franklin.

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[LukeParkerno1]

Makes sense for him if he can find a club to get more game time.

Gold Coast maybe for a late pick

 

[doona]

Sam Collins is going to GCS as its 3rd state league player.

 

[Kirkswan]

The problem is that they get top talent in, get two years of development and then they get poached. They don’t seem to be able to attract high quality players but seem to lose a lot of their drafted top talent that would otherwise build to premiership success.

It seems like it is a never ending cycle of losing the top talent before be getting the continuity in their list in order to challenge so that they can retain this talent.

It’s a concern.

Yes, but it was the same for us... surely you all remember the late 80s and early 90s? People everywhere were saying we should fold, move to Tasmania, that we would never succeed! We would get in players on one or two year contracts and they left asap! Bring in a big name, and he would get injured and sit the season out... It was only the true grit players that stayed, and the ones that were rejected by other clubs. It took us 14 years (1996) to get to a point where we were a realistic chance...

Give Gold Coast a go... they'll survive and end up being a contender! Bookmark it! (Not really sure what that means as it's a computer, but I'm guessing it's similar to 'mark my words!')

 

[The Gong]

Is it possible that no player, apart from Clarke, wants to play for Longmire in the Grinder machine.

Also that we were spooked by Norf and signed massive and long contracts to so many players and hamstrung our list

I cant remember any player nominating Sydney as their destination, maybe ever since Franklin.

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Sinclair and now Clarke and that's about it but the trade ban played a handy part in that.

This is the "heading home" trade season. We're not in Victoria, SA or WA so we're immediately at a disadvantage and the reason COLA was in place.

 

[BloodySwan]

Was interesting on Trade Radio where Port Adelaide & Carlton openly said that whoever GCS draft, they will be looking to get them in a couple of years when they move home. GCS have no chance.

The AFL should prohibit clubs from approaching contracted players unless granted permission from the players club - excluding last year as a free agent. Currently clubs go straight to the player, the player agrees to that club then nominates the trade - forcing their clubs hand. Would go at least a little way to alleviate that

 

[Olian]

Is it possible that no player, apart from Clarke, wants to play for Longmire in the Grinder machine.

Also that we were spooked by Norf and signed massive and long contracts to so many players and hamstrung our list

I cant remember any player nominating Sydney as their destination, maybe ever since Franklin.

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Northern states rarely get the go home factor let alone being a destination. It happens rarely. The fact that Tippett and Franklin signed up in consecutive years was an anomaly rather than the norm.

 

[TheMase]

Yes, but it was the same for us... surely you all remember the late 80s and early 90s? People everywhere were saying we should fold, move to Tasmania, that we would never succeed! We would get in players on one or two year contracts and they left asap! Bring in a big name, and he would get injured and sit the season out... It was only the true grit players that stayed, and the ones that were rejected by other clubs. It took us 14 years (1996) to get to a point where we were a realistic chance...

Give Gold Coast a go... they'll survive and end up being a contender! Bookmark it! (Not really sure what that means as it's a computer, but I'm guessing it's similar to 'mark my words!')

I agree. But the AFL then instituted a cost of living allowance, and a retention allowance for Brisbane which changed the game for us at the time.

Those measures have been abolished. Thus it will be tougher for the Suns than it was for us.

I am giving them a go, I am just suggesting there is great concern for me if the AFL don’t put some measures in place to stop Gold Coast becoming a player academy for the VIc teams like we once were.