List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[Crazy Tails]

So am I reading this correctly. We have picks 41, 44, 51, 56, 57 (ignoring 93) which totals 1409 points. IQ and Kelly will cost roughly 1700? So will fiddle the figures to get there.

But to be able to utilise all the points we have to therefore have 5 open list spots.

Beams, Roughy in
Fasolo, Broomhead (to be rookied) out

So need to delist five more yes?
Blair
Kirby
Murray

Who else? Oxley is a rookie

So must be two of
Smith
Daicos
McLarty

I like Daics & McLarty :-(

There's a fair bit in this but just to clarify we no longer have pick 56 and the jury is still out as to whether or not the points attached to pick 57 can be utilised towards matching bids.

The other thing I am unsure about is whether we are stuck with the value of the points at the commencement of the draft or whether it is fluid as the selections start being made. ie: we start with points attached to 41,44 etc but if Sydney use 2 of their 20s picks for Blakey (before a bid comes in on IQ) and our 41 comes into 40 does our points value change to that of pick 40???

I still think we will be a bit skinny on points because even if we only have to use 41 and 44 for IQ then 51 will probably not be enough to match Kelly outright. Only time will tell I suppose depending on where the bids come in.

 

[Horaceg]

Contracted for next year.

Thanks, wasn't sure

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Nonsense. The whole purpose of the B sample is to provide an athlete with the chance to re-test the sample. It is up to the athlete to request a B sample or waive it and go straight to penalties/mitigation.

So, the January timeline? where did you get that from?

Few posters posted about it. It doesn’t really matter. Our list needs to be finalised in a month, and I don’t think his test result will be returned by then.

 

[jackcass]

Yep, I tend to agree. Last rookie spot perhaps, or a VFL spot if he gets all the way through?

If he's not picked in the rookie draft by anyone, I think we can add him to the Cat B rookie list if we're interested.

 

[jackcass]

You need to have the same number come in as goes out, so yes. We'll know over the next week what the delistings are.

I assume the two Irish boys are Cat Bs that don't occupy regular list spots, so we currently have a surplus of one player (Fasolo out, Beams/Roughead in). Add two more to that for Quaynor and Kelly.

Pretty sure you can only have 1x Irish player as a Cat B. Means 1 of them has to go onto the rookie list.

 

[sideswipe]

Few posters posted about it. It doesn’t really matter. Our list needs to be finalised in a month, and I don’t think his test result will be returned by then.

The same posters who told you ASADA requests B tests? As far as I have heard, there has been no mention of a B test even being requested - it may well have, but this is a good sign that for once, the confidentiality is being respected. If a B sample had been requested it would almost certainly have been done by now. The expected timeline from advising an athlete of a positive A test, to communicating the findings of a requested B test is generally a fortnight.

Far more likely is that there are negotiations going on between the Athlete's representatives and the AFL/ASADA as to an acceptable penalty.

Would be nice if posters took the time to familiarise themselves with WADA Code and the ASADA rule violation process before speculating.

 

[jackcass]

Yeah, rookies are on a much smaller salary but get match payments.

As far as I'm aware, rookie listed players can negotiate a contract after their initial AFL mandated contract that will specify a set amount instead of a base and match payments. Don't think there's a cap on it either. Not unreasonable to assume Appleby could be on $200-250k and still retained on the rookie list.

 

[sideswipe]

Pretty sure you can only have 1x Irish player as a Cat B. Means 1 of them has to go onto the rookie list.

Correct

 

[sideswipe]

As far as I'm aware, rookie listed players can negotiate a contract after their initial AFL mandated contract that will specify a set amount instead of a base and match payments. Don't think there's a cap on it either. Not unreasonable to assume Appleby could be on $200-250k and still retained on the rookie list.

The CBA mandates the base and match payments for senior list players in years 1 and 2, but uses the term "minimum" when it sets out Rookie players. So I think it is open to go above that.

 

[jackcass]

Murray can’t be delisted either.

I can't find anything that confirms he is contracted beyond 2018. None of the stories specify length of tenure when he was signed and Footywire claims he out of contract this year. If he's not contracted beyond this season then we can delist I'd assume, irrespective of the drug investigation.

 

[CFC2010]

I can't find anything that confirms he is contracted beyond 2018. None of the stories specify length of tenure when he was signed and Footywire claims he out of contract this year. If he's not contracted beyond this season then we can delist I'd assume, irrespective of the drug investigation.

Wouldn't his contract be null & void anyway.

I am sure his contract didn't have any fine print that permitted him from racking up lines on game day.

 

[jackcass]

Pick 93 will be used on one of the Irish boys.
IRISH ROOKIE PRE-SELECTION
Irish players can be signed directly to a club’s Rookie List under the International Player Rule and do not have to go through the draft. Previously, Irish players could not be listed as Category B rookies but took a spot on the main Rookie List.
Clubs can now list one Irish player as a Category B rookie but for each additional Irish player rookie listed, that player will be deemed to be a Category A rookie and the club will forfeit its last selection in the Rookie Draft for each additional player listed.

Nah, our last couple of ND picks will likely be used to elevate Mihocek and formally elevate Thomas. The Irish lad gets the last available RL spot.

 

[Scribe26]

I can't find anything that confirms he is contracted beyond 2018. None of the stories specify length of tenure when he was signed and Footywire claims he out of contract this year. If he's not contracted beyond this season then we can delist I'd assume, irrespective of the drug investigation.

I'd be shocked if he was recruited to the club on just a 12-month contract. Especially given the Swans had a contract in front of him too — he's not leaving for less security with us.

Being banned for taking performance-enhancing drugs is a breach of his contract with the club and whether he is contracted or not, if he is banned from playing, we're completely within our rights to delist.

It's my hope that they can argue his sentence down to two years and he can return to the club in his early 20's to continue on.

 

[jackcass]

Wouldn't his contract be null & void anyway.

I am sure his contract didn't have any fine print that permitted him from racking up lines on game day.

Once a ban is announced. Wouldn't be till then I wouldn't have thought.

 

[jackcass]

I'd be shocked if he was recruited to the club on just a 12-month contract. Especially given the Swans had a contract in front of him too — he's not leaving for less security with us.

Wouldn't that depend on the offer the Swans were making? If I remember correctly, he was a zone Cat B rookie and the Swans initial offer was an elevation to the rookie list. It was later boosted to a senior list spot. Again, no indication of tenure so it still remains a less secure option given we had a senior 22 vacancy to fill and he'd likely still struggle to force counterparts out of the Swans side.

Being banned for taking performance-enhancing drugs is a breach of his contract with the club and whether he is contracted or not, if he is banned from playing, we're completely within our rights to delist.

It's my hope that they can argue his sentence down to two years and he can return to the club in his early 20's to continue on.

Yep, if he's banned, we can delist. The discussion is about the timing of that given list lodgement in preparation for the draft is later this month and uncertainty among posters about how many vacancies we could potentially have. If the announcement comes after that then we'd have to wait till the midseason draft to replace him on the list.

I'd be happy to give him another crack if it's only a 2 year ban, assuming off course that the Appleby, Murphy and IQ types don't establish themselves in that role. If we're to do that though we could just as easily add him to the rookie list in 2019, much as we did with Keeffe and Thomas.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

The same posters who told you ASADA requests B tests? As far as I have heard, there has been no mention of a B test even being requested - it may well have, but this is a good sign that for once, the confidentiality is being respected. If a B sample had been requested it would almost certainly have been done by now. The expected timeline from advising an athlete of a positive A test, to communicating the findings of a requested B test is generally a fortnight.

Far more likely is that there are negotiations going on between the Athlete's representatives and the AFL/ASADA as to an acceptable penalty.

Would be nice if posters took the time to familiarise themselves with WADA Code and the ASADA rule violation process before speculating.

You do realise the B sample is taken at the same time as the A sample don't you? Or are you talking about something else? Sorry i haven't read the whole conversation.

 

[sideswipe]

You do realise the B sample is taken at the same time as the A sample don't you? Or are you talking about something else? Sorry i haven't read the whole conversation.

Ah, yeah. You only need to read my post. The two week turnaround is based on the ASADA Rule Violation management process - a usual one week between notification of the A/request of the B and then analysis of the B. Then another further week ("usually") to allow for notification of the athlete.

People talking about a multi-month period for a B test to be notified are wrong.

 

[Anzacday]

Nah, our last couple of ND picks will likely be used to elevate Mihocek and formally elevate Thomas. The Irish lad gets the last available RL spot.

Yeh good point, it's the Rookie draft last pick.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Murray can’t be delisted either.

Yes he can; we would pay him his contract (if he did don’t have the nose sniffle matter).

But if disqualified/ suspended I think you’ll find contract is cancelled too.

 

[Rizzo32]

In: Beams, Roughead, Draft pick, Draft pick, Draft pick

Out: Fasolo, Blair, Broomhead (rookie), Smith, Oxley, Kirby, Murray



With this we can draft 3 players in the National and 2 rookies.

But with this scenario we only open up 6 list spots (as Oxley is a rookie), 2 of which are taken by Beams and Roughy, so we only have 4 active picks to take to draft. They have to chop at least one more from the senior list as we need the extra pick just for the points.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

But with this scenario we only open up 6 list spots (as Oxley is a rookie), 2 of which are taken by Beams and Roughy, so we only have 4 active picks to take to draft. They have to chop at least one more from the senior list as we need the extra pick just for the points.

Extra pick for the points? Picks have no value after 73.

 

[unplugged]

Whatever happened to Matthew Green? I remember there being some debate about whether he was part of our NGA zoning due to being from Tennant Creek in the NT, but perhaps he didn't qualify because he's not indigenous? I did a quick google and it would appear he played in the last season (or two seasons?) for NT Thunder.

Although it would appear he has completely dropped off draft boards? Was rated MVP in something under-17 related but now what?

 

[Soups]

Whatever happened to Matthew Green? I remember there being some debate about whether he was part of our NGA zoning due to being from Tennant Creek in the NT, but perhaps he didn't qualify because he's not indigenous? I did a quick google and it would appear he played in the last season (or two seasons?) for NT Thunder.

Although it would appear he has completely dropped off draft boards? Was rated MVP in something under-17 related but now what?

Just didn’t come along like some thought. Very skinny and didn’t find the ball enough in the games he did play.

Might be one to watch in a couple of years when his body fills out because he has some talent.

 

[unplugged]

Just didn’t come along like some thought. Very skinny and didn’t find the ball enough in the games he did play.

Might be one to watch in a couple of years when his body fills out because he has some talent.

So I should probably hold off hoping we take him as a Hine special?

 

[jackcass]

Whatever happened to Matthew Green? I remember there being some debate about whether he was part of our NGA zoning due to being from Tennant Creek in the NT, but perhaps he didn't qualify because he's not indigenous? I did a quick google and it would appear he played in the last season (or two seasons?) for NT Thunder.

Although it would appear he has completely dropped off draft boards? Was rated MVP in something under-17 related but now what?

Don't think anyone could make a case for him being NGA eligible. Don't have to be indigenous, IQ isn't, neither is Wraith (spelling). Even A2B2 is of island decent I think.

Both Green and Holt-Fitz are listed at NT Thunder and are draft eligible this year. Be interesting to see what happens. My nephew is playing there but he's not giving me anything about them. Thinking of cutting him from the will.

http://www.ntthunder.com.au/player/liam-holt-fitz/

http://www.ntthunder.com.au/player/matthew-green/