List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[Quicky]

Yeah Ch 7 news pretty much going with Collingwood drafting him. Seemed quite definitive. The Joffa family link is an interesting one. Seems strange that’s been kept under wraps. They said Joffa married Atu’s grandmother.

If we have to pay overs for IQ and Kelly and a bid for Atu comes in before 56 might be tough to get him.

They were also pronouncing his first name as “R2”.


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Must be pirates.

I'll see myself out.

 

[nahnah]

So we also don't Rate the 2019 Draft and just take any Deficet we get?

Given we traded out our first rounder and our second rounder is likely to be low, yes

 

[ADD72]

Madgen Keane and tohill

 

[ADD72]

Only one of the Irish lads is allowed to be a Cat. B Rookie, the other must be Cat. A according to the rules. So (along with Madgen) we'll have used two Cat. B spots, and still have one to spare.

I saw a list as of Collingwood written somewhere they had 35 seniors 3 rookies appleby mihocek Lynch and 3 cat b Madgen Keane and tohill I will have to find the bit on list sizes somewhere on the afl site

 

[Quicky]

No all three. Allowed 40 senior spots 4 cat a and 3 cat b I think Thomas already on main list but not mihocek

You're absolutely right and there are a few combinations it can be. It can be any of:

40 (primary list), 4 (Cat A), 3 (Cat B)
39 (primary list), 5 (Cat A), 3 (Cat B)
38 (primary list, 6 (Cat A), 3 (Cat B)

I think it looks likely we will go 38, 6, 3; which will allow us 3 live picks in the ND (I think!)

Our Cat A rookie list will likely be: Lynch, Mihocek, Appleby, Murray, Broomhead, Tohill

Our Cat B will likely be: Keane, Madgen, Atu

Thats my reading of it anyway.

 

[35Daicos]

I saw a list as of Collingwood written somewhere they had 35 seniors 3 rookies appleby mihocek Lynch and 3 cat b Madgen Keane and tohill I will have to find the bit on list sizes somewhere on the afl site

It's not the list size that is the problem here (3 Cat B's are allowed); unfortunately the rules specify that if you have more than one Irish player on your rookie list only one of them can be Cat. B, a second one must be Cat. A. This rule was brought in a few years back to "keep the peace" with the Gaelic sport authorities, as they didn't want AFL clubs stockpiling too many of their players as Cat. B Rookies.

 

[Quicky]

I doubt it will given he’s invited to draft night, but basically what we need is simple - Kelly’s bid MUST be second round if Quaynor’s bid is early (8-15). The way the deficit works is you are forced to deficit off the round you receive the bid that forces you into deficit. So because we traded our 2019 R1, unfortunately Brisbane won’t be chums and take a deficit on our behalf. If it comes R2, no worries we will cop a deficit.

Quaynor is 12th on the Crows board last I heard, so being fair, it should be their next pick after that, but we will see.

I’m all for Pies scribbling a note with the name “Luke Edwards” on it and passing it to the Crows (He was an U16 AA mid this year, son of Tyson).

Crows are jerks

 

[HFF]

So how many 'active list spots" do we have going into tomorrow?

I'm guessing JT and Mihocek will be elevated onto the primary list, if this hasn't happened already?

 

[soreplums]

So we also don't Rate the 2019 Draft and just take any Deficet we get?

Yes. Kelly is probably just as good as any pick 30 plus player in 2019 and according to Guy there aren’t many KPP next year anyway. Why not cash in now and let Hine do his thing with probably no more than an 8 pick downgrade? Could still pick up another serviceable player like Langdon or Phillips or any player that was picked up as a late second rounder that has had a successful career. What pick did we get Swanny at again?

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Pie 4 Life is it filtering through anywhere who's invited to the draft tomorrow night? Say if Quaynor is told to go, he could be bid on at 8? Does our recruiting staff iron their shirts knowing they'll be up on stage presenting a player in the top ten?

This is why the split draft is just stupid IMO.

The entire list is on AFL Draft Central in the comprehensive guide to the draft. Both Quaynor and Kelly are invited.

 

[Bay Pie]

So we also don't Rate the 2019 Draft and just take any Deficet we get?

Yes Dave. Any deficit likely comes off our 2nd rounder from WK bid.

Pick 30ish moves down to 40+. We do that or miss a top 15 talent.

It's close too a real life Jaryd Blair, Josh Smith, Adam Oxley and Kyle Martin trade for a top 15 pick. It's basically the BF posters dream trade scenario that'll never happen in reality.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I be Shocked IF Kelly gets a Pick above 20

With bids it probably goes out to 23/24 though. Basically Adelaide’s current pick 21, is the earliest he can go (which becomes 23/24)

 

[Anzacday]

Well going to be a Boring Draft as we pretty much know already who we are going to Pick

I think you may have posted that before TD.

 

[soreplums]

Pie 4 Life is it filtering through anywhere who's invited to the draft tomorrow night? Say if Quaynor is told to go, he could be bid on at 8? Does our recruiting staff iron their shirts knowing they'll be up on stage presenting a player in the top ten?

This is why the split draft is just stupid IMO.

The live trading is too restrictive. If you can’t trade players, then you need to be able to draft future picks outside of the following year. E.g, picks package a 2020 first rounder for a pick in 2018 first round or combination of second round picks.

 

[partypie]

If we have to go into deficit on IQ and Kelly and then even further with Atu then our first pick next year will almost be a 3rd round pick.

We’d have to get creative to improve our draft position in 2019!


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If we've gone into deficit matching a bid on Kelly then we can't match any bid on Atu that comes before pick 56 - once a club is in deficit they cannot match any further bids on FS or Academy players which require draft points to be paid (ie. up to pick 55).

Whether this restriction applies for the entire remainder of the draft isn't clear, but I suspect that we can "match" any bid that comes on Atu after pick 55 if we choose to because there is no draft points cost for matching a bid (after applying the 197 point discount) from pick 56 onwards.

 

[35Daicos]

Well going to be a Boring Draft as we pretty much know already who we are going to Pick

The words "boring" and "draft" really don't belong in the same sentence!! There's always something to make it interesting!

 

[unplugged]

At the end of the day if Quaynor was to get bid on in the top ten, can we just calm down and enjoy the fact that we're getting a player at least one club believes is a top ten player in the comp? Or similar if slightly lower.

I can foresee the melts but at the end of the day it isn't the worst result.

 

[ADD72]

Only one of the Irish lads is allowed to be a Cat. B Rookie, the other must be Cat. A according to the rules. So (along with Madgen) we'll have used two Cat. B spots, and still have one to spare.

To me Collingwood has 35 seniors 3 cat a and 3 cat b with mihocek on the rookie list they might pick up 3 draft night and upgrade mihocek and re rookie Broomhead and Murray they usually leave the first pick in rookie draft available if r2 doesn’t get picked up I think we have first rights cause of the nga which leaves Collingwood with 39 senior players 5 cat a and 3 cat b that will leave one spot open for the start of the season where we can elevate Madgen in Scharenberg spot or elevate appleby depending on needs. That will leave us with 2 live picks 1 or 2 senior players and or 1 rookie lots to look forward too

 

[ADD72]

Yes Dave. Any deficit likely comes off our 2nd rounder from WK bid.

Pick 30ish moves down to 40+. We do that or miss a top 15 talent.

It's close too a real life Jaryd Blair, Josh Smith, Adam Oxley and Kyle Martin trade for a top 15 pick. It's basically the BF posters dream trade scenario that'll never happen in reality.

Well put I like it

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I might be under the influence of a nice Shiraz, but we look like getting IQ and Kelly plus a few others this draft with a range of 40+ picks because we have traded our early picks. IQ seems to be rated a 1st rounder and Kelly a 2nd rounder. We don’t seem to have lost anything? Am I totally off the mark?

And let’s not forget we also have Beams

Very very tidy off season work

 

[ADD72]

You're absolutely right and there are a few combinations it can be. It can be any of:

40 (primary list), 4 (Cat A), 3 (Cat B)
39 (primary list), 5 (Cat A), 3 (Cat B)
38 (primary list, 6 (Cat A), 3 (Cat B)

I think it looks likely we will go 38, 6, 3; which will allow us 3 live picks in the ND (I think!)

Our Cat A rookie list will likely be: Lynch, Mihocek, Appleby, Murray, Broomhead, Tohill

Our Cat B will likely be: Keane, Madgen, Atu

Thats my reading of it anyway.

I saw a list on Wikipedia of all afl lists up to date and they had Madgen Keane and tohill as cat b and appleby mihocek and Lynch as rookies Thomas on senior list I am not sure r2 can go on cat b either from nga (not sure) we will find out soon enough

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Only one of the Irish lads is allowed to be a Cat. B Rookie, the other must be Cat. A according to the rules. So (along with Madgen) we'll have used two Cat. B spots, and still have one to spare.

35D you are the man.
Exactly.

I think as a club overall we are doing very nicely with the Cat B opportunities.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The words "boring" and "draft" really don't belong in the same sentence!! There's always something to make it interesting!

The machinations are fascinating in its way.

What I do love second best every year is the real opportunity to learn about the new talent coming in. It’s like reading their resume. Then of course you see if they can do the job.

The best thing I love is learning and seeing the new Collingwood players.

(Quaynor, Kelly look a very nice draft collection for us, then we’ll see where else we land.)

 

[ADD72]

The live trading is too restrictive. If you can’t trade players, then you need to be able to draft future picks outside of the following year. E.g, picks package a 2020 first rounder for a pick in 2018 first round or combination of second round picks.

I love the cut of your jib soreplums everything you’ve said tonight right on

 

[35Daicos]

I saw a list on Wikipedia of all afl lists up to date and they had Madgen Keane and tohill as cat b and appleby mihocek and Lynch as rookies Thomas on senior list I am not sure r2 can go on cat b either from nga (not sure) we will find out soon enough

Trusting that what you read on Wikipedia is correct is fraught with danger, I'm afraid! Even articles on the AFL website are known to have some pretty ordinary errors, at times. Just the other day there was such an article, where they named players who had been delisted and would be re-rookied by their clubs, yet they neglected to mention Collingwood's Broomhead and Murray.

I've had a couple of cracks at explaining the Cat B Rookie rule relating to Irish players to you, another poster has tried to get the point over as well; that rule is very clear (even though it's not at all well known) and there's no way around it!!!