News 2018 St Kilda Media Thread

[VDS66]

Don't want Luke Ball anywhere near the club.

He left us for the filth, took our IP then helped them win a flag.

And I'd say his move was well planned before finals in 2009.

Absolute traitor IMO and I don't care if he was an ex Captain or whatever.

 

[King_Steele]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08...y-comments-on-suggestions-of-a-priority-pick/

so geary's running our list strategy now? saying we shouldn't be going for a PP. cheers mate but I'd argue you've already done enough for the club in your role as captain, no need to work overtime

Sick of this dumb campaigner representing our club. Wouldn’t get a game anywhere else.

Sick of that line we’ve won more games then lost aswell, we’ve done SFA.

 

[gringo2011]

On behalf of P66: wow you must be amazing to understand and judge a person from a couple casual meetings...

I would say you can tell a lot about a person if they come across arrogant and floggish. Common respect and decency aren't hard to fake even, Ball wasn't even friendly to kids at a junior footy club appearance. Rance was at our club recently and you wouldn't find a nicer more genuine guy. I have met plenty of footballers in my time and some just leave you cold. I will give him once he could be having a bad day but more than that and it's a pattern.

 

[wayneolsen]

Don't want Luke Ball anywhere near the club.

He left us for the filth, took our IP then helped them win a flag.

And I'd say his move was well planned before finals in 2009.

Absolute traitor IMO and I don't care if he was an ex Captain or whatever.

He didn't leave by choice. Ask Rossy the real answer. Picking on wrong guy here

 

[joop]

Here we go, Dermie about to talk about our ‘DNA’

 

[Saint Watto]

Here we go, Dermie about to talk about our ‘DNA’

This will be good.

 

[VDS66]

I would say you can tell a lot about a person if they come across arrogant and floggish. Common respect and decency aren't hard to fake even, Ball wasn't even friendly to kids at a junior footy club appearance. Rance was at our club recently and you wouldn't find a nicer more genuine guy. I have met plenty of footballers in my time and some just leave you cold. I will give him once he could be having a bad day but more than that and it's a pattern.

Thanks. I'll pass that on to the friend I was asking for...

 

[gringo2011]

Thanks. I'll pass that on to the friend I was asking for...

Now I don't want to cast aspersions but I reckon you'd get on okay with Bally.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Here we go, Dermie about to talk about our ‘DNA’

At least Allan doesn't have to listen to this flog anymore.

 

[Stewart66]

Here we go, Dermie about to talk about our ‘DNA’

Probably onset of Alzheimer’s for Dermie .

1997 Stkilda vs Adelaide Grand Final

Same year dorks were broke mergering with the tankers if not for Ian Dicker .... Dermie would be
mentioned in the same vocabulary as the premiership players of Fitzroy.

 

[Bigsaints]

It's fine for Dal to get on the radio and reminisce (back in my day....) but where is the legacy from his generation?? Great, Stephen Powell taught you how to prepare and taught you resiliency, but who did you teach?? Our younger leaders (Ross/Newnes etc) were at the club before Dal left. And all bar about 6 blokes were there at the same time as Roo and Joey.

Or is it solely the fault of Armo/Steven/Gilbert/Gears for not ushering in this generation

For all of the joy our modern day "Golden Generation" gave us, we got pick 1 and 2 (Roo and Kosi) after finishing 16th with 2 wins in 2000, so we sacked our coach, changed our president, and in the AFL's hands because of our massive debt. We're now 10 days away from finishing 16th with 4 wins, probably sacking our coach, probably changing our president, and in the AFL's hands because of our massive debt. If the measure of success is "leaving the place in better shape than you found it", that generation failed.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-06/lennys-never-give-up-attitude-working-for-acres

Someone listened.

 

[Pbft]

I've met Ball a couple of times and didn't take to him at all.

Rubbish human who thinks little of our club.

Quote from when he retired from the pies
" Collingwood are like my wife and the Saints are like a former girlfriend"

GAGF

 

[jwikked]

Dermies article wasn't the hit piece you might expect, hard to argue with it really.

 

[Diehard Saint]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-06/lennys-never-give-up-attitude-working-for-acres

Someone listened.

Would be so good to get Lenny back again. What a great influence he would be.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Gears is part of the problem. What does it say about our club that we would appoint someone captain, who is not good enough to get a game with any other club? Overlooked in his draft years, kudos for getting on our list as a rookie, but has always been ordinary. He should be the first to go after his blood brother, the mediocrity that is TMBK. No wonder they love each other. They are a reflection of one another, monuments to mediocrity.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Dermies article wasn't the hit piece you might expect, hard to argue with it really.

Link or copy. Herald Scum has a pay wall.

 

[joop]

Dermies article wasn't the hit piece you might expect, hard to argue with it really.

No surprises he claims he’s never seen someone read the game better than Scotty Watters...

 

[Animal Cager]

Allan Jeans once told Dermott Brereton he wished St Kilda would get it right ... they still haven’t
Dermott Brereton, Herald Sun
August 16, 2018 8:00pm
Subscriber only
JUST get it right Saints.

As a young man I occasionally had the privilege of sharing a lift home with my coach Allan Jeans.

Roughly a quarter of a century later after those shared drives, “Yabby” would be named the Saints’ coach of the century.

ROO: RICHO UNDER PRESSURE AS PATIENCE WEARS THIN

PRESSURE: SAINTS ON VERGE OF BOARDROOM BRAWL

TALENT: DRAFT BUNGLES THAT COST SAINTS DEARLY

In the car Jeans sometimes spoke of his love for the St Kilda Football Club, but there was also a tinge of bewilderment that sometimes seeped through.

He never mentioned it, but I got the feeling that some decisions that were made involving him rankled.

He spoke of his affection for “Cowboy” Neale, Barry Breen and Travis “Bongo” Payze.

Allan Jeans celebrates St Kilda’s Grand Final win in 1966.
Even though he was a policeman by trade, you could hear the admiration in his voice for the rogues of his era.

Jeans would talk affectionately of John Bingley and how one of his handful of games was the 1966 premiership.

I asked him just how good Daryl Baldock was compared to our own Leigh Matthews.

He would reply: “I’m not going to tell you, laddie, who was the best player I have coached, but I will tell you that Barry Lawrence was the best player to coach.”

But if I asked him the differences between the Hawks and the Saints his mood would change.

“They’ve been going for 100 years and all they have to show for it is one premiership,” he would say. “I wish that they could just get it right.”

Allan Jeans and Dermott Brereton at Hawthorn training in 1989.
I didn’t understand what he truly meant by “just get it right”. I never really pressed him on it. I was young and he was the master but the mood in him always changed.

More than likely, it was the decisions made from the top down. Decisions that had hurt him as well.

For the modern-day Saints, the top office needs to get a series of upcoming decisions absolutely right.

A brief look at the past 10 years reveals:

IN 2006 the Saints sacked coach Grant Thomas after building a list that took him and his much loved Saints into the finals.

THE then-president Rod Butters has since revealed that and other decisions were made while his mind was affected by alcohol and other drugs.

He was a good guy, Rod, but a less than perfect lifestyle influenced him and in turn he influenced the board to push the only person in the club that was willing to stand up to him.

ROSS Lyon was appointed and five seasons he took the club to a grand final three times and to four finals series in a row, making him the club’s second most successful coach behind Jeans.

Former St Kilda coach Ross Lyon.

Former St Kilda coach Scott Watters.
But the top office fell asleep at the wheel and in 2011 Lyon was courted by Fremantle when they learned of a “get out” clause in his contract.

SCOTT Watters was appointed next. Highly credentialed as one of the masterminds behind Collingwood’s midfield in its 2010 premiership year, Watters shook things up and was very keen on several new aspects of the footballing department at Seaford.

A workaholic who suffers fools even less gladly than my mate Sam Newman, Scott ruffled up a few people and it is fair to say that thereafter, the tail wagged the dog. And the dog influenced the board to move on him.

To this day I have not met anyone who is smarter on reading game styles and strategies and analysing player strengths and weaknesses. It is almost irresponsible of our industry to have that level of IP sitting on the outside.

Some have tried to lure Watters back, but I just don’t know whether he wants to deal with it all again.

NOW we enter the era of Alan Richardson, one of the truly good guys in league circles.

My call on Richo was always, will he force it all to be his way like an Alastair Clarkson, Ross Lyon or Mick Malthouse?

When he was appointed in 2014, Saints president Peter Summers (rightly or wrongly, you can decide) got up and announced the club’s five-year vision: St Kilda: The Road To 2018.

Alan Richardson after speaking to his players.
Summers said “by 2018 we will be a top four side that is positioned to be a premiership contender”.

“By 2020 we will have our second premiership,” the president continued.

The Saints will be headhunting new assistant coaches for 2019.

And, if we believe them this time, only assistant coaches.

With a large degree of autonomy, Simon Lethlean has been handed the steering wheel and he will be looking for innovators.

He must find assistants who will challenge Richo to adopt a game style other than just what could be described as a “pressure type game”.

It must stand for something and mean something.

He needs to find an assistant like Justin Leppitsch, someone who has balls enough, for example, to fight to keep three small forwards (Rioli, Castagna and Butler) in the team when other selectors are caught up on low possession counts.

Jarryn Geary leads St Kilda off after the loss to Essendon.
He needs to find another Watters, someone who can select an opponent for an opposition star and take down that star based purely on skill set.

He needs to find another version of Richo, to help develop the young players recently drafted into better players than their draft order dictates.

He needs to find a young David Noble who will challenge him and force him to come up with new answers.

And he needs to lure a hard nosed assistant with smarts who will stare down the barrel and ask the question: “If Dan Hannebery is still as good as he was, why is Sydney letting him go with several years left on his contract?”

If Lethlean is lucky, he will find all these qualities in one or two new assistant coaches.

And then of course we have to wait and see what the board, however it might be comprised, truly wants.

Real change, some change, or no change.

Because each time the Saints have reached a fork in the road over the last 52 years, history shows us that they haven’t been all that good at selecting the correct path.

As Yabby said, “just get it right.”

 

[Saint Watto]

As a young man I occasionally had the privilege of sharing a lift home with my coach Allan Jeans.

An interesting read Animal....thanks for posting.

Dermy lost me when these two words were in the same sentence.

Watters........mastermind.

 

[cartel]

Dermott sticking up for his mate. I still think it's telling that neeld, McCartney mckenna have all gotten jobs elsewhere whilst Scott hasn't. Sure you'd feel bitter about being sacked the way he did, but it's been five years.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Dermy lost me when these two words were in the same sentence.

Watters........mastermind.

 

[StCicatriz]

Allan Jeans once told Dermott Brereton he wished St Kilda would get it right ... they still haven’t
Dermott Brereton, Herald Sun
August 16, 2018 8:00pm
Subscriber only
JUST get it right Saints.

As a young man I occasionally had the privilege of sharing a lift home with my coach Allan Jeans.

Roughly a quarter of a century later after those shared drives, “Yabby” would be named the Saints’ coach of the century.

ROO: RICHO UNDER PRESSURE AS PATIENCE WEARS THIN

PRESSURE: SAINTS ON VERGE OF BOARDROOM BRAWL

TALENT: DRAFT BUNGLES THAT COST SAINTS DEARLY

In the car Jeans sometimes spoke of his love for the St Kilda Football Club, but there was also a tinge of bewilderment that sometimes seeped through.

He never mentioned it, but I got the feeling that some decisions that were made involving him rankled.

He spoke of his affection for “Cowboy” Neale, Barry Breen and Travis “Bongo” Payze.

Allan Jeans celebrates St Kilda’s Grand Final win in 1966.
Even though he was a policeman by trade, you could hear the admiration in his voice for the rogues of his era.

Jeans would talk affectionately of John Bingley and how one of his handful of games was the 1966 premiership.

I asked him just how good Daryl Baldock was compared to our own Leigh Matthews.

He would reply: “I’m not going to tell you, laddie, who was the best player I have coached, but I will tell you that Barry Lawrence was the best player to coach.”

But if I asked him the differences between the Hawks and the Saints his mood would change.

“They’ve been going for 100 years and all they have to show for it is one premiership,” he would say. “I wish that they could just get it right.”

Allan Jeans and Dermott Brereton at Hawthorn training in 1989.
I didn’t understand what he truly meant by “just get it right”. I never really pressed him on it. I was young and he was the master but the mood in him always changed.

More than likely, it was the decisions made from the top down. Decisions that had hurt him as well.

For the modern-day Saints, the top office needs to get a series of upcoming decisions absolutely right.

A brief look at the past 10 years reveals:

IN 2006 the Saints sacked coach Grant Thomas after building a list that took him and his much loved Saints into the finals.

THE then-president Rod Butters has since revealed that and other decisions were made while his mind was affected by alcohol and other drugs.

He was a good guy, Rod, but a less than perfect lifestyle influenced him and in turn he influenced the board to push the only person in the club that was willing to stand up to him.

ROSS Lyon was appointed and five seasons he took the club to a grand final three times and to four finals series in a row, making him the club’s second most successful coach behind Jeans.

Former St Kilda coach Ross Lyon.

Former St Kilda coach Scott Watters.
But the top office fell asleep at the wheel and in 2011 Lyon was courted by Fremantle when they learned of a “get out” clause in his contract.

SCOTT Watters was appointed next. Highly credentialed as one of the masterminds behind Collingwood’s midfield in its 2010 premiership year, Watters shook things up and was very keen on several new aspects of the footballing department at Seaford.

A workaholic who suffers fools even less gladly than my mate Sam Newman, Scott ruffled up a few people and it is fair to say that thereafter, the tail wagged the dog. And the dog influenced the board to move on him.

To this day I have not met anyone who is smarter on reading game styles and strategies and analysing player strengths and weaknesses. It is almost irresponsible of our industry to have that level of IP sitting on the outside.

Some have tried to lure Watters back, but I just don’t know whether he wants to deal with it all again.

NOW we enter the era of Alan Richardson, one of the truly good guys in league circles.

My call on Richo was always, will he force it all to be his way like an Alastair Clarkson, Ross Lyon or Mick Malthouse?

When he was appointed in 2014, Saints president Peter Summers (rightly or wrongly, you can decide) got up and announced the club’s five-year vision: St Kilda: The Road To 2018.

Alan Richardson after speaking to his players.
Summers said “by 2018 we will be a top four side that is positioned to be a premiership contender”.

“By 2020 we will have our second premiership,” the president continued.

The Saints will be headhunting new assistant coaches for 2019.

And, if we believe them this time, only assistant coaches.

With a large degree of autonomy, Simon Lethlean has been handed the steering wheel and he will be looking for innovators.

He must find assistants who will challenge Richo to adopt a game style other than just what could be described as a “pressure type game”.

It must stand for something and mean something.

He needs to find an assistant like Justin Leppitsch, someone who has balls enough, for example, to fight to keep three small forwards (Rioli, Castagna and Butler) in the team when other selectors are caught up on low possession counts.

Jarryn Geary leads St Kilda off after the loss to Essendon.
He needs to find another Watters, someone who can select an opponent for an opposition star and take down that star based purely on skill set.

He needs to find another version of Richo, to help develop the young players recently drafted into better players than their draft order dictates.

He needs to find a young David Noble who will challenge him and force him to come up with new answers.

And he needs to lure a hard nosed assistant with smarts who will stare down the barrel and ask the question: “If Dan Hannebery is still as good as he was, why is Sydney letting him go with several years left on his contract?”

If Lethlean is lucky, he will find all these qualities in one or two new assistant coaches.

And then of course we have to wait and see what the board, however it might be comprised, truly wants.

Real change, some change, or no change.

Because each time the Saints have reached a fork in the road over the last 52 years, history shows us that they haven’t been all that good at selecting the correct path.

As Yabby said, “just get it right.”

derm nailed that article

 

[StCicatriz]

Dermott sticking up for his mate. I still think it's telling that neeld, McCartney mckenna have all gotten jobs elsewhere whilst Scott hasn't. Sure you'd feel bitter about being sacked the way he did, but it's been five years.

maybe he doesn't want to work in the industry again?

 

[majortinkle]

An interesting read Animal....thanks for posting.

Dermy lost me when these two words were in the same sentence.

Watters........mastermind.

not necessarily:

Scott Watters has chosen WAFL journeymen and their difficulty impacting the AFL as his specialist subject on mastermind

 

[Sir Skid]

Thommo ever the Saint.

From The Age article
"Unfortunately, St Kilda are littered with poor decisions and WE invent ways to stuff things up and shoot OURSELVES in the foot - it's just a fact of life," he said.