Mega Thread 2018 Trade Period Discussion part 2! (cont. in Part 3 - link in OP)

[cm_perfect]

Was that teaching career longer, or shorter, than Kornes' fire fighting career?

Shorter.
2 minute teacher vs the 5 minute fireman?

 

[GrommoT]

Well off the main list are McGovern, Dear, Gibson and Hampton, we've added McAdam and Stengle. We have two spots left on our list currently, unless we later delist Cheney.

Surely we have to be planning some list swaps because picks 16 and 21 are complete surplus to our needs at this point.

Could always trade 16 & 21 for 2019 picks during draft night if they're surplus but that's probably unlikely. Thought we have spare rookie spots - without checking out list state, maybe we could delist some players from senior list and rookie them to free up senior spots?

 

[Horseflee]

Talks between lions and pies & us now

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[Vader]

With Stengle we have 36 players on the main list with Cheney and Signorella left to sign,
Rookie list we have 4 players with Hunter left to sign.
Unless we upgraded a rookie in Murthy, CEY, Wilson, which may happen but I have not heard anything about an upgrade it leaves us with 4 spots open on the main list.

We can like last year run with 6 rookies. and a main list of 38.

CEY won't be upgraded, the media release announcing his re-signing clearly stated that he was staying on the rookie list.
Hunter can't stay on the rookie list either - he has to be delisted or promoted.

 

[NikkiNoo]

We didn’t get a future 4th we traded one away

Still, losing a 4th shouldn’t prevent trading a 1st

I’m sure the Stengel deal will be done soon so people can prob stop complaining about how it might pan out. Why complain about maybe 68 + 73 when if that means we get a 3rd or 4th back next year we haven’t paid much, only 2 picks we won’t use plus rebuilding next years stock

Bugger. This is what I get for trying to multitask

 

[Crow till I die]

short - seems like the standard teaching year with all the holidays and 'staff training days' my kids school seems to have

 

[Jarman3]

Ken McGregor was a sensational steal - 150+ games out of a pick 75

The whole Pavlich comparison is unfair and unwarranted, Ken was more progressed at the time and was the correct choice, and at that point it becomes a lottery.

Yeah, it gave me the sh*ts for McGregor's entire career every time the Pavlich comparison was brought up. The media (ie Rucci) seemed to love painting Pavlich as "the one who got away from the Crows", if only we'd taken him instead of McGregor etc etc. Conveniently ignoring the fact that McGregor was a pretty handy player in his own right and, more to the point, nobody else drafted Pavlich that year, either. Hell, McGregor's 150+ games from pick 75 make him look like Dustin bloody Fletcher compared to Adam Morgan who Port drafted (at 37) instead of Pavlich, and went on to play a total of 17 games (3 for Port).

 

[dude316]

Is it just me or is this year's trade period more confusing than usual?

 

[Jarman3]

CEY won't be upgraded, the media release announcing his re-signing clearly stated that he was staying on the rookie list.
Hunter can't stay on the rookie list either - he has to be delisted or promoted.

Are those rules around the rookie list still in place? I thought they got overhauled a year or two back when they ditched the requirement for another player to get delisted / long-term-injured before a rookie could play senior footy?

 

[ad victoriam]

CEY won't be upgraded, the media release announcing his re-signing clearly stated that he was staying on the rookie list.
Hunter can't stay on the rookie list either - he has to be delisted or promoted.

Hunter on the rookie list will be interesting, he could be in a race with 3 others to be relisted thru the Rookie Draft. as the Crows back up Ruck.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talks between lions and pies & us now

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Haven't we been talking to Brisbane all weekend & yesterday .....maybe we've just been invited to a party ?

 

[Vader]

Hunter on the rookie list will be interesting, he could be in a race with 3 others to be relisted thru the Rookie Draft. as the Crows back up Ruck.

We'd have to delist him, and re-draft him. I'm not sure why they'd bother.

 

[Vader]

Are those rules around the rookie list still in place? I thought they got overhauled a year or two back when they ditched the requirement for another player to get delisted / long-term-injured before a rookie could play senior footy?

Still in place. Still limited to 3 years on the rookie list.

 

[FR0GGY]

I think this is leading to us being able to use our future first if you look at this post - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...nal-draft-order-based-on-2018-ladder.1206928/

It hasn't been updated with that future fourth coming back in, but if we are sending our two late picks to Richmond and then send us Stengle and their future third, it means we can trade our future first out.

I didn’t see or hear anything about a future 4th coming in, I thought we gave that up?

 

[SugarShane]

2 of which were school holidays.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

For funsies, how does this look... everyone gets what they want while maintaining or improving their draft hand.

Step 1: Crows trade picks 13, 16 and 21 to Brisbane for 5 and 32.


Step 2: Brisbane trade 13 and 16 to Freo for Neale.


Step 3: Freo trade 11, 16 and 30 to Melbourne for Hogan and 46.


Step 4: Melbourne trade 11 and 2019 1st for May and 2019 2nd.


Crows started with 8, 13, 16 and 21; end up with picks 5, 8 and 32.


Brisbane started with 5, 32, 41 and 44; end up with Neale and picks 21, 41, and 44.


Freo started with Neale, 11, 23, 30 and 49; end up with Hogan and picks 13, 23, 46, 49.


Melbourne started with Hogan, 36, 46, 2019 1st; end up with May and picks 16, 30, 2019 2nd.


GC started with May, 2, 3, 19, 24, 29, 2019 2nd; end up with 2, 3, 11, 19, 24, 29, 2019 1st.

 

[FR0GGY]

It does seem strange...

It can't be about points for Academy selections, because 4th round picks just aren't worth that many points. They start at 207 (pick #55) and go down to 19 (#72). They're worth even less once compensation picks get added, moving the start of the 4th round closer to pick #60.

I thought pick #82 would be enough for Stengle. Pick #72 should definitely get the job done, and is arguably paying overs. I don't see any reason at all why Adelaide would need pick #68.

The only thing I can think of is that we're planning on trading up, with one of our earlier picks, and this gives us some leverage to trade with in the later rounds. Maybe?

Does the pick points value move down with academy picks? That’s a bit unfair. The pick value should stay at the original value.
It may not matter much with the lower picks but certainly would with the high picks.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[ad victoriam]

We'd have to delist him, and re-draft him. I'm not sure why they'd bother.

Maybe he in a 3 way race with Fort, Brooksby and Hunter. for that back up Ruck, unless they pick up a kid for pick 21.

 

[Golumless]

Well that trade for 68 is certainly strange.

 

[Deaneus!]

Maybe we're talking to Brisbane to get 5 + 32... then we're going to trade 5 to the Saints for 4 and the 68 / 73 is to facilitate steak knives?

 

[Tex Danger]

Bugger. This is what I get for trying to multitask

In your defense other posts stated the we had got a 4th rounder as opposed to trading it so you can blame them

Still think it’ll be 68 + 73 for Stengel and Richmond 2019 4th rounder

Or we could push for 68+ 73 + Carlton 5th for Stengel + Rich 3rd

 

[JennyTalia]

Maybe we think rankine is a chance to slide to 68... interesting move. Let's see how it plays out

 

[Anzacpaul]

68 for Stengle, paperwork to be submitted later according to Trade Radio.