2019 4th Ashes Test 2019 Old Trafford

[FreoRicci]

Poor Tubs. What’s with the switch.. Healy to England and Taylor’s back.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I wouldn’t rule out Whiteman actually. Carey isn’t exactly young

Haha he's like six months older than Whiteman.

Whiteman has a better average and they're the same age.

Agreed neither are certainties. Point is we're building as strong a core and as good potential as we've had in a number of years IMO.

Yes but there is more to cricket than averages. I imagine Carey would have the better first class average if the parameters were shorter, since 2016 or so. Think Carey had a pretty slow start to his FC career.

It is good to see Whiteman get some continuity with his body and his batting again. Looked like the next big thing early in his career. Certainly a good chance of consideration if he backs up his recent season. Fair bit behind Carey who I think might've already been in the team if not for a certain captaincy ban.

 

[to1994]

Hard to say, the rain has had an impact on the ball and England, especially Archer, have bowled quite poorly.

350 would be par against let's say, India''s batting line-up but this is England. Anything above 300 and we're well on top.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I liked Healy's technique, try and send every ball to fine leg, very successful.

Muppet.

Isn't that what Smith does?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Hopefully that’s it for the day

Asking the boys to bat in the dark like day 1 at headingley isn’t going to end well

 

[frankrizzo]

I’d rather win this, then wrap it up. Jesus another rained out drawn test and it’s all on the line in the fifth. Don’t fancy our chances. No one is in form with the bat other then Labs and Smith.
Khawaja is such a shame. Great technique, good shot selection. Then he gets comfortable and anything outside of wide he wants to nick it. Competent player just mentally fragile.

Still it can be a tough place to take 20 wickets, england having to win at the oval to save the ashes wouldn't be the worst spot to be in, the big worry was/is england being all over us in this test due to the momentum shift at headingley and that would mean we need a win on a flat oval pitch so a rained out draw wouldn't be that bad a result it kills of their momentum and forces them to make the running in the last test.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Why didn’t we just keep rewarding Burns. Honestly. Been solid, got into some form for Australia.
Then as soon as the trio comes out of their ban, Bancroft plays barely any good knocks for Shield and he’s straight in. Langer has a chip that he wants to prove.

Warner is a talented batsman who can go hard, real hard, he can also bunker down if needed, batting him at 5 gives us options.

 

[frankrizzo]

Why didn’t we just keep rewarding Burns. Honestly. Been solid, got into some form for Australia.
Then as soon as the trio comes out of their ban, Bancroft plays barely any good knocks for Shield and he’s straight in. Langer has a chip that he wants to prove.

Just seemed to be universally accepted he would fail in england, that his spot was then taken by blokes who couldn't even score tons on our featherbeds didn't seem to matter.

Give me a flat track bully who actually makes tons over blokes who cant bully any test side on any deck.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Isn't that what Smith does?

In a way, balance is a tad different though lol.

 

[DaRick]

Still it can be a tough place to take 20 wickets, england having to win at the oval to save the ashes wouldn't be the worst spot to be in, the big worry was/is england being all over us in this test due to the momentum shift at headingley and that would mean we need a win on a flat oval pitch so a rained out draw wouldn't be that bad a result it kills of their momentum and forces them to make the running in the last test.

Predicting across a series in ENG has often been problematic because the variable weather and relatively bowler-friendly conditions: 1) give objectively weaker sides a chance of being competitive or even snatching a test and 2) has a way of stopping sides from developing momentum.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Need a plan on how to get Ben Stokes out lads

Don't worry. They've thought about that.

 

[SSwans2011]

What's so strong about the players you mentioned (aside from obviously Smith/Lab who're proven?)

Patterson is worse then anyone who's failed in this Ashes, Renshaw hasn't scored a run in what feels like years and Whiteman is basically starting again having not played Shield for a while before this year.

I hope there's some talent coming through but the people you mentioned aside from Pucovski are just more of the same.

Renshaw is still 23 and Patterson 24. Both have tons at Test level and that'pretthay hard to ignore. Head is also only 25 mind you.

Renshaw had a shocking FC season but just a year ago he was smashing County records.

Anyway point is Labsuchagne, Smith and hopefully Pucovski is looking like a pretty solid base we can build around. And there's plenty of talent to fill the holes.

 

[FreoRicci]

Just seemed to be universally accepted he would fail in england, that his spot was then taken by blokes who couldn't even score tons on our featherbeds didn't seem to matter.

Give me a flat track bully who actually makes tons over blokes who cant bully any test side on any deck.

Ha. That sort of mentality gotten Australia nowhere. Thought Burns had the form and ‘brownie points’ to prove it. Bancroft coming in just was an ignorant move.
But a lot of people discount the fact he is also a wicketkeeper. Think he should focus on that more. Don’t think his skill or craft is as effective though.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

Play abandoned already? Bit early...

 

[SSwans2011]

Haha he's like six months older than Whiteman.



Yes but there is more to cricket than averages. I imagine Carey would have the better first class average if the parameters were shorter, since 2016 or so. Think Carey had a pretty slow start to his FC career.

It is good to see Whiteman get some continuity with his body and his batting again. Looked like the next big thing early in his career. Certainly a good chance of consideration if he backs up his recent season. Fair bit behind Carey who I think might've already been in the team if not for a certain captaincy ban.

Didn't Whiteman average more than Carey last season?

 

[k31th]

play officially abandoned for the rest of the day... too much rain... sort of good...

3/170 is very good, though, considering the circumstances. Well done to Smith and Labuschagne

 

[Moonwatcher]

Head survives till stumps

 

[Kappa]

Play abandoned.

Miserable shit hole england is

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Pack up and come home boys, this is bullshiat, let me keep the ashes, they can shove em up their asse.

 

[Plugger35]

Play abandoned for the day.

Odds on a draw shortening, if Friday is a washout it's hard to see there being a result.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yesssssss

Play abandoned

These umpires deserve a tick

 

[Milang_Panthers]

Play officially called off.
Happy with that day after the start

 

[Kappa]

Play abandoned already? Bit early...

I think it's 30 mins to take all the covers off and start play?

Rain doesn't look it's going to stop any time soon.

Probably better for our batsmen to relax anyway

 

[frankrizzo]

6.07pm Mel Farrell: It's brightened up considerably. Some late afternoon sunshine.

Play has been abandoned for the day.

mmmk, for a board with so much wealth the english grounds seems to have rubbish covers and piss poor drainage.

 

[augiewaz]

6.07pm Mel Farrell: It's brightened up considerably. Some late afternoon sunshine.

Play has been abandoned for the day.

mmmk.

Its Manchester! what do you expect?