2019 4th Ashes Test 2019 Old Trafford

[augiewaz]

Did sweet fu** all too which was the cherry on a nice s**t sandwich for the poms.

To be fair, its the first time I have seen Root do anything as a captain.
Imagine having Cook and then Root as your test captain. How inspiring.....

 

[grumbleguts]

It must be so infuriating for opposition bowlers bowling to Smith. Bowl it on the stumps and he hits you through backward square leg for 1. If it's marginally outside off he leaves it with the most taunting sarcastic leave in the history of cricket. Glad he's on our side.

 

[Hawks1994]

Thanks lads, loving the moment Broad just walks away from the 'pep-talk'

Ellen needs to go back to talk show hosting

 

[Lynnsanity]

To an extent, but the overarching theme is that they are essentially suggesting Archer isn't an Englishman. I can't really begrudge him if he perceives there to be a racial element to that. He clearly views himself as a Pom, and he's a citizen, so IMO it's pretty poor form to try to tell him otherwise.

It’s a hard and weird one but I will say this.

If I was to miss out on selection for the Australian Under 19’s and I decided to chuck a tantrum and go play under a different system in a different country, passport or no passport, my ego should be angry at the system, not the country. Essentially him turning out for a country, and not just any country but one that has a very hostile history with the Windies, that he hadn’t even set foot on until he was an adult seems like a slap in the face to his country of origin whether he believe that or not.

I’m not putting words in Archers mouth as I don’t know how he feels about the West Indies as a whole, but if your going to be born, live and grow up in a country until your 19 and then defect and turn out for another country (one that changes it’s residency rules to fast track it) you are going to have to be tough enough to take the criticism that will always come with the territory.

If Steve Smith had of been ignored at 19 and he chucked a tantrum and decided to go and try and gain English eligibility and then out for the Poms, you could bet your bottom dollar he would cop it from all and sundry when he played in Australia. Be interesting to see the reception Archer gets when the poms tour the West Indies next






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[CrowBloke]

But all catches that close aren't easy (unless they just bob up off the pad).

I hated fielding at bat-pad, but found myself there one match. Can't remember why (oldness).
The easiest catch I ever had was *snick*-pad and dollied up straight to me and I still don't understand why all the blokes came in for a happy backslap . Walking and chewing gum is harder'n that catch was.
Required no effort/skill at all, but Wade's catch was a beauty.

 

[demondavey]

Geez fair leap to say that there is clearly a fractured relationship after a couple of poor days

Maybe an overreaction I agree, but archer looked a bit miffed when root pulled him up and they had words throughout the day. Root looked seething all day.

 

[Gough]

It’s a hard and weird one but I will say this.

If I was to miss out on selection for the Australian Under 19’s and I decided to chuck a tantrum and go play under a different system in a different country, passport or no passport, my ego should be angry at the system, not the country. Essentially him turning out for a country, and not just any country but one that has a very hostile history with the Windies, that he hadn’t even set foot on until he was an adult seems like a slap in the face to his country of origin whether he believe that or not.

I’m not putting words in Archers mouth as I don’t know how he feels about the West Indies as a whole, but if your going to be born, live and grow up in a country until your 19 and then defect and turn out for another country (one that changes it’s residency rules to fast track it) you are going to have to be tough enough to take the criticism that will always come with the territory.

If Steve Smith had of been ignored at 19 and he chucked a tantrum and decided to go and try and gain English eligibility and then out for the Poms, you could bet your bottom dollar he would cop it from all and sundry when he played in Australia. Be interesting to see the reception Archer gets when the poms tour the West Indies next






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Smith's got a Britsh passport, he turned down good money from Surrey when he was on a NSW rookie contract.

 

[ROOTA#6]

It’s a hard and weird one but I will say this.

If I was to miss out on selection for the Australian Under 19’s and I decided to chuck a tantrum and go play under a different system in a different country, passport or no passport, my ego should be angry at the system, not the country. Essentially him turning out for a country, and not just any country but one that has a very hostile history with the Windies, that he hadn’t even set foot on until he was an adult seems like a slap in the face to his country of origin whether he believe that or not.

I’m not putting words in Archers mouth as I don’t know how he feels about the West Indies as a whole, but if your going to be born, live and grow up in a country until your 19 and then defect and turn out for another country (one that changes it’s residency rules to fast track it) you are going to have to be tough enough to take the criticism that will always come with the territory.

If Steve Smith had of been ignored at 19 and he chucked a tantrum and decided to go and try and gain English eligibility and then out for the Poms, you could bet your bottom dollar he would cop it from all and sundry when he played in Australia. Be interesting to see the reception Archer gets when the poms tour the West Indies next






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No one goes to test matches in the West Indies so he will be fine

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Ok, the forecast has changed again in the last hour or so and now we're back to a rained out first session.

****ing England.

 

[demondavey]

Yep, pretty sure it was in his book, not entirely sure if he said he was as quick or just he was 'one of' the fastest he kept too, he was certainly no slouch anyway.

Marsh and other keepers reckon Thommo at his peak was capable of 180km, fair bit of mayo there IMO but 165 may have been possible.

Thommo also got to bowl to the Don when he was 70 years old, and got cained lol.

There’s no way I can buy Thommo bowling 180

 

[demondavey]

Rod Marsh reckons Rackerman at his peak was a quick as Thommo iirc.

Rackerman was quick

 

[Lynnsanity]

Right, and they just happened to decide to use the chant against the only black player who also happens to have been a British citizen since birth and not against the white players who have been citizens less time than he has?

Of course suggesting he shouldn't be in the country is racist.

Well they couldn’t use it on Stokes, at least he was in primary school when he moved over there and they didn’t have to change the eligibility rules to shoehorn him in out of complete desperation.

Face it, it’s you who is making it racial.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I think we can all sleep easy now in the knowledge that the ash's will be retain after Smiths knock

Need 20 more wickets yet (Stokes 3 times).

 

[toml]

Weather is dreadful

 

[King Elvis]

Apparently a couple of Australians were kicked out of the ground for daring to taunt Archer with a "where's your passport" chant that left him "visibly angry" because they have "zero tolerance" for "abusive" behaviour. Once again - what a bunch of hypocritical knobs the poms are! Deaf dumb and blind to their crowd behaviour all tour, booing Smith after he was knocked out etc..

Hahahaha, legends.

So Archer talks a big game, but is a fragile soft-****.

Aussies need to get into him constantly now.

 

[Gough]

I genuinely don't think I've ever been in Manchester when it wasn't raining.

 

[1989]

Weather is dreadful

Looks like we’ll be getting another replay of the Headingley choke.

 

[The Passenger]

Weather is dreadful

Yep we are gonna struggle to get much play on. I reckon we are going to be dependant on a follow on to take this test.

 

[augiewaz]

I'm expecting the first session to be washed out but hopeful that the remainder of the day will be ok

 

[010203]

If it's 1-1 heading to the Oval, my wish for the fate of the Ashes to be decided in the last will be granted so I won't be disappointed if pissing rain puts pay to a result in this test.

 

[deanc]

Why do people keep insisting that we absolutely must win this test, must not let this get to the Oval?

It took a compilation of the worst errors imaginable, the worst test umpire ever, and Ben Stokes playing the innings of his life to beat us without Smith. What precisely about this England side leads people to think that we need to win this match at all?

If this game is rained out, we have successfully demolished whatever confidence they may have taken out of the last test, whilst simultaneously beating the stuffing out of them. They're left with a number of dilemmas; can they continue to allow Root to bowl his players into the ground, especially when they're fielding a team with 8 genuine bowling options? Can Ben Stokes get up to play the next test? Should Archer - their supposed talisman against Smith - be dropped for being unwilling to do what his captain asks? Should they drop Roy, and if so who for; have they completely given up on him as a test player?

The equation for England is precisely the same as it was after the first test: if they ask the groundskeeper for a road, you'll get fighting half centuries from others and be completely unable to get Smith out, and our bowlers will be more effective on such a surface. If they ask for a greentop, Pattinson, Cummins and Siddle will wreak their s**t, and Broad and Woakes do not compare to that without Anderson. If they ask for low and slow, they risk Lyon cleaning them up if they get it an inch wrong.

Basically, this series has been a catalogue of attempts by England to disguise the fact that their team is worse than ours, in most ways. They have had all the luck - at least, they did until yesterday - and they needed a all time knock from Stokes and a dodgy umpire to get them their solitary win. How on EARTH do people think they're going to a) make enough runs and b) bowl Smith and whoever's helping at the time out when they haven't been able to do it all series?

Good post, an optimistic and insightful perspective which is a pleasant change from the general comments on this thread where negativity seems to be the common theme. I just don't understand some posters on here who constantly whinge, complain and criticize team selections, batting and bowling performances, field placements, captaincy decisions etc, etc. It must make them feel better, I've really no idea....?

 

[Lynnsanity]

Was Broad serious yesterday when he was expressing his displeasure toward Marnus when he pulled away as a chip packet crossed by on a very windy day? England have used it as a time wasting ploy all series.

What’s ironic is after bowling a ‘death defying’ 6 overs he was pictured in the English shed putting his feet up with Curran on as a substitute barely an hour into the days play.

 

[Plugger35]

The weather radar I'm looking at is projecting rain for most of the day.

England would be happy with that.

 

[The Passenger]

Why do people keep insisting that we absolutely must win this test, must not let this get to the Oval?

It took a compilation of the worst errors imaginable, the worst test umpire ever, and Ben Stokes playing the innings of his life to beat us without Smith. What precisely about this England side leads people to think that we need to win this match at all?

If this game is rained out, we have successfully demolished whatever confidence they may have taken out of the last test, whilst simultaneously beating the stuffing out of them. They're left with a number of dilemmas; can they continue to allow Root to bowl his players into the ground, especially when they're fielding a team with 8 genuine bowling options? Can Ben Stokes get up to play the next test? Should Archer - their supposed talisman against Smith - be dropped for being unwilling to do what his captain asks? Should they drop Roy, and if so who for; have they completely given up on him as a test player?

The equation for England is precisely the same as it was after the first test: if they ask the groundskeeper for a road, you'll get fighting half centuries from others and be completely unable to get Smith out, and our bowlers will be more effective on such a surface. If they ask for a greentop, Pattinson, Cummins and Siddle will wreak their s**t, and Broad and Woakes do not compare to that without Anderson. If they ask for low and slow, they risk Lyon cleaning them up if they get it an inch wrong.

Basically, this series has been a catalogue of attempts by England to disguise the fact that their team is worse than ours, in most ways. They have had all the luck - at least, they did until yesterday - and they needed a all time knock from Stokes and a dodgy umpire to get them their solitary win. How on EARTH do people think they're going to a) make enough runs and b) bowl Smith and whoever's helping at the time out when they haven't been able to do it all series?

Agree with what you see, but cricket is a magnificent beast where all sorts of one off unpredictability occur.

Say England do enough to save a draw here, we should be good enough to either win at the Oval or bat them out of the game so we can retain the Ashes. But that's no fait accompli. Come the Oval, we may bat first, probably be 2/30 again, and all it will take is Smith nicking off for a low score to potentially send our batting line up into a tailspin.

It's not a disaster if we can't get the win here, but it won't feel great going to the final test with England still in the contest after being in such strong positions in both the third and fourth tests.

 

[arden station]

We have a pretty strong record in Ashes series in England of 1-2 batsman performing and everyone else being rotten. In 2005 for example, Martyn, Katich, Gilchrist and Hayden could barely buy a run.

Yep and we lost that series.

As I said, when we have won Ashes series away, we've had a number of strong contributions from the top 6 and those sides have either already been very strong or have about to become very strong.

Again, having only 2 of the top 6 averaging above 30 is not what you'd expect from a side that wins a series in England. And yet we look like winning the series. But unlike the other Australian sides that have won Ashes series away, this side does not look like becoming a power.