List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread

[The King!]

I think pick 5 is overs. He worth more a late top 10 to early teens pick. However, if it come down to trading Papley in order to get pick 9 to give to the druggies I'd prefer to use our pick 5 and keep Papley.

If Papley is worth 9 Daniher is worth 5 easy imo

 

[SSwans2011]

Which gun midfielders have nominated us?

Gulden and Campbell?

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Yeah, but Hanners had a pretty poor season leading to his trade, and was lucky to be best 22 at some point. Daniher was just about BOG in his most important game this year.

2 top 10 picks would be ridiculous, but it's all based on a rubbish Damian Barrett article who before and after writing it has completely contradicted it on several occasions. Take the scenario he presented with a grain of salt.

Personally, I'm putting my feet up and rejoicing in the fact that we have a gun player that wants to come with us, while the list managers do their thing. If they fu** it up monumentally, I'll provide some highly entertaining melts, as I'm sure we all will. But until then I'm sitting back and enjoying the thought of Joe, Bud and Heeney sharing the forward 50.

Hmmm, I would think you’d call ‘hardly playing a game’ a pretty poor season? I think you just Barretted yourself!

 

[The King!]

Worse part is Tom Browne was right

 

[Mick Oxlong]

If Papley is worth 9 Daniher is worth 5 easy imo

Papley plays footy though.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Worse part is Tom Browne was right at the glory hole with the scoop

Fixed

 

[SSwans2011]

Flogging at a dead horse by now, but I'd give up 5 and 25 for Daniher.

IMO it's bloody hard to win flags without taking risks, and a fit Daniher and our academy boys next year likely reopen our window, which probably would have been firmly shut after Buddy's retirement.

If he doesn't get fit. oh well. Some risks don't come off, but it's worth it for the upside if it does. Pick 5 could end up doing his ACL and struggle to ever reach the level.

Hmmm, I would think you’d call ‘hardly playing a game’ a pretty poor season? I think you just Barretted yourself!

I meant Hanners' form was bad. Daniher was just about BOG in the ANZAC Day match. Find a game last year when Hanners was even close to that output.

 

[Opts]

heeney is a small forward/mid

reid is an average player

daniher is the key fwd/ruck

will help Sinclair etc

Playing in the ruck won't be any good for his OP. Just plonk him at full fwd.

 

[Opts]

Heeney isn't a key forward.

Reid is good except for the half of the season he goes missing. He's a KPF that kicked 28 goals from 22 games this season. We simply need better than that.

We'll find out. People are acting like we've already given up 5, 9 and our first next year lol.

Danihers goal kick average is only 1.8 goals a game. That's slightly better than Reids 28 from 22 who also plays in defence and we'll have to give up a first round pick for him.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

The length and $$$ value of the deal are the primary reason for determine compensation.

For instance if some idiot offered Reid a 5 year deal at $850,000 a year, we would get a first rounder immediately after our first selection in the draft (would be pick 6).

Sounds like a system that could really be exploited... and if I were in a position I'd surely be exploiting it... I'd be interested in the history of it and if clubs were colluding to get better deals for themselves

 

[Bonz]

Sounds like a system that could really be exploited... and if I were in a position I'd surely be exploiting it... I'd be interested in the history of it and if clubs were colluding to get better deals for themselves

Tyrone Vickery is the main trade that comes to mind

 

[SSwans2011]

Danihers goal kick average is only 1.8 goals a game. That's slightly better than Reids 28 from 22 who also plays in defence and we'll have to give up a first round pick for him.

He also kicked 67 goals in his last full season. That's more than double Reid's best in a season (31).

 

[mtooler]

I’ll just assume you like all of my posts Tools!

I am haha

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Flogging at a dead horse by now, but I'd give up 5 and 25 for Daniher.

IMO it's bloody hard to win flags without taking risks, and a fit Daniher and our academy boys next year likely reopen our window, which probably would have been firmly shut after Buddy's retirement.

If he doesn't get fit. oh well. Some risks don't come off, but it's worth it for the upside if it does. Pick 5 could end up doing his ACL and struggle to ever reach the level.

I meant Hanners' form was bad. Daniher was just about BOG in the ANZAC Day match. Find a game last year when Hanners was even close to that output.

So you want to compare apples with oranges? Ok, Hannebery 3 x AA...Daniher 1 x AA

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Playing in the ruck won't be any good for his OP. Just plonk him at full fwds.

Gawn and Naitanui struggle!

 

[SSwans2011]

So you want to compare apples with oranges? Ok, Hannebery 3 x AA...Daniher 1 x AA

Yeah, Ablett's made it 8 times. How much relevance does that hold with respect to his current value?

 

[Jewelsbon]

i dont think anyone doubts daniher's upside or value.

the concern is what we will give up for him vs the option of just waiting a year and taking young midfielders in the draft.

2 or maybe 3 really good young midfielders, plus 2 more academy kids next year, plus Daniher as a free agent and it would be party time!

Exactly!
Daniher IS a great player, no one is denying that fact, but it's the probable cost and the question marks over his body that has me not so excited.

If Papley is worth 9 Daniher is worth 5 easy imo

Papley gets on the park most weeks, that's the sticking point for me.

 

[Bonz]

He also kicked 67 goals in his last full season. That's more than double Reid's best in a season (31).

And he did this whilst also being the second ruckman.

A for Daniher brings a heap to our side, plus it's nice that a gun of the competition wants to come to our club.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Yeah, Ablett's made it 8 times. How much relevance does that hold with respect to his current value?

You’re the one comparing apples with oranges.

 

[SSwans2011]

You’re the one comparing apples with oranges.

You're implying I was the one that brought up Hanners. I wasn't. You're right that they're incomparable.

 

[robbieando]

A great article from Jake Niall (who broke Joe's trade request today) and Peter Ryan that doesn't make up anything and isn't guess. I would suggest reading it in full. But I'm quoting the part where they talk about what he is worth in a trade.

It's the trade of the year: Joe Daniher wants to go to the Swans. How will the deal get done?

When his uncle Terry left the Swans decades ago, it changed the course of football history. Now Joe Daniher wants to "go back".

www.theage.com.au

What is Daniher worth?
The Swans, at the bare minimum, would be expected to cough up their first draft choice, pick five, for Daniher. The question is what else would be required, given that Daniher is contracted for next year.

The rarity of key forwards makes Daniher worth more than one pick but this must be offset by his injuries and the reality that, if he left next year as a restricted free agent, Essendon would gain only one first-round choice, the pick immediately after their own choice, which is dependent on where they finish on the ladder (for example, pick 13 if they finish with pick 12) under the compensation system for free agency.

Sydney would also get Daniher for nothing if they waited for him to become a free agent as Richmond did when they recruited Tom Lynch from the Gold Coast.
Essendon's argument would be buttressed by the contract that the Swans offer – if he's been offered around a million dollars, over four years or more – the Dons will likely say he's worth two picks inside 10, hoping to gain that second choice from a Papley deal with Carlton, or pick 5 and a suitable player.

Conversely, many pundits would say picks five and nine is excessive, unless Essendon are giving a decent draft pick back to the Swans. On SEN on October 4, Garry Lyon suggested that Daniher was worth pick five plus another one in the late first round or early second round – which sounds about right, all things considered.

The medical verdict on Daniher's groin is a major consideration in determining his value, though, as the club that is prising him out, the Swans, have to come up with a trade. Essendon can simply hold Joe to his contract, risking a worse outcome next year.

 

[S120]

If you get Daniher's groin issues solved (and I don't see why we couldn't, he's not the first guy to have OP problems), you've got a truly excellent player. Before these groin issues set in, he had played 4 straight years of 21, 22, or 23 games and averaged 13 touches, 6 marks and 2 goals a game before hitting his physical prime.

Pick 5 and 9 is overs for him, but honestly I'd get over it pretty quickly if we gave them up for him along with some later pick swaps. The draft will always be overrated. I reckon it'll end up being pick 5 and something in the late teens or early 20's for him.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

You're implying I was the one that brought up Hanners. I wasn't. You're right that they're incomparable.

I am? I see no implication. I just called you out for comparing the two with a contradiction of Barrett
proportion.

Hannebery: 2018, 15 games which was a poor season.
Daniher: 2019, 4 games...that’s a poor season!

 

[robbieando]

Pick 5 and 9 is overs for him, but honestly I'd get over it pretty quickly if we gave them up for him along with some later pick swaps. The draft will always be overrated. I reckon it'll end up being pick 5 and something in the late teens or early 20's for him.

Agree Pick 5 and maybe whatever we get for Jones and maybe a late pick swap

 

[kickthething]

She's a nurse and flat out refuses to move to Sydney

How the hell did he get a leave pass for the EOY trip?