Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[HARKER]

It's great how well he's turned the perception of his Carlton career around Daisy. Become an important player for us.

Thomas is still an important player for the CFC.
Also good to see him kick a goal from around the 50mt mark last week.
Really has some zip and strength back in those legs/ankles/feet.......

I don't think he was a particular fan of Boltons, either.
At least doesn't have to worry about that now and will likely go around another year. Good on him.

Would sooner Thomas gets another year than for Murphy to go on, if that option was available.

 

[Doro]

Thomas is still an important player for the CFC.
Also good to see him kick a goal from around the 50mt mark last week.
Really has some zip and strength back in those legs/ankles/feet.......

I don't think he was a particular fan of Boltons, either.
At least doesn't have to worry about that now and will likely go around another year. Good on him.

Would sooner Thomas gets another year than for Murphy to go on, if that option was available.

Murphy is a funny one. You write him off, he comes good. He comes good, he gets a knock and loses it again. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Soapy V]

Murphy is a funny one. You write him off, he comes good. He comes good, he gets a knock and loses it again. Rinse and repeat.

Has a contract and wants to play on.

 

[HARKER]

Murphy is a funny one. You write him off, he comes good. He comes good, he gets a knock and loses it again. Rinse and repeat.

He does come good and may do again, but why can he come good though and Thomas can't?
No real logical reason at all. They're basically the same age, but one has a contract and the other doesn't.

If Thomas keep his form up, he's deserving of a contract. Who'd begrudge him?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

No big name will come to us.

Based on?

 

[thylacine60]

I've been here 13 years.

 

[BlueGum]

Case closed

 

[Coona Blues]

Time to move on I reckon. 33 next year

Gut feel is he is gone and Simpson will retire. Murphy will play another year. Still have Kruezer Curnow Jones & Casboult as 29 or over.

Get some 25 year olds in and another year of maturity (plus a new coach) it's time

As much as I like this, I find it hard to see a conservative list management group who have been (too) focussed on our age/experience balance parting
with both Simmo and Daisy in one of season. A fit Docherty would alleviate the need for both, but can we bank on Doc holding up next season. Jones
and Casboult are not leaders, Weitering yes, but still working on his own game, Plowman and Marchbank are perhaps leadership material, but not there yet. Newman is mature age, but not a mentor type.

If Doc does not hold up we would be hoping Williamson, Stocker and maybe Petrevski-Seton can take up the slack, they need a leader. Would be happy for both of the old boys to make way for the new guard, but it would be a significant risk. Incidentally I have some optimism for the prospect of Cottrell becoming
a rebounding, running defender if we can't recruit one.

 

[slowhand clape]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned re the two WA players we’re in to but would have a crack at Brad Hill and his brother. I heard Greg Denham on the radio yesterday saying that he’s heard Brad Hill wants to come back to Melb. Stephen Hill is a FA and had some injury issues in recent years and may welcome a fresh start. Brad is an out and out star!

 

[Sin City]

The AFL app is reporting that Carlton are interested in Sydney ruckman Darcy Cameron.

They report that he has a friendship with Cripps (presumably from his WA squad days) and Newman.

23 years old, 2.05m, OOC, runner up B&F of the NEAFL comp last year.

Fourth rounder should do it

Wouldn't mind packaging him up with Papley for that Crows first rounder.

 

[BlueAbroad]

Had a good look at trade targets, free agents and general list management strategy with Dan:

 

[Jeremias]

Of course Daisy should play on in 2020. He’s certainly playing well enough to go around again.

He turned 31 yesterday, so at no stage throughout next season will he be 33.

And his age alone is absurd reasoning for him to hang up the boots. His body is sound, and he’s still playing good footy.

Simpson was just about playing career best footy at that age.

 

[HARKER]

Of course Daisy should play on in 2020. He’s certainly playing well enough to go around again.

He turned 31 yesterday, so at no stage throughout next season will he be 33.

And his age alone is absurd reasoning for him to hang up the boots. His body is sound, and he’s still playing good footy.

Simpson was just about playing career best footy at that age.

Thomas is 32 now and will be 33 this time next year...........obviously


I doubt we'll move on Kennedy, unless his 'liking' of Folau's post really caused issues at the club.....That's funny.
Tomlinson? Not for us, surely. I don't see it no matter how much love we had for him once upon a time.

So Liddle is now also announcing that small forwards our our premium targets. Who would have picked that?

 

[Soapy V]

Of course Daisy should play on in 2020. He’s certainly playing well enough to go around again.

He turned 31 yesterday, so at no stage throughout next season will he be 33.

And his age alone is absurd reasoning for him to hang up the boots. His body is sound, and he’s still playing good footy.

Simpson was just about playing career best footy at that age.

Nope

As for Simmo I'm a massive fan but the talk is he is struggling to get through games now and back up each week

I'm not against any of the players but at some stage you need to move on. When I look at the list and the changes that need to me made at least 2 of Murphy Simpson & Thomas will probably finish. Murphy is the only one that has a contract. JMO

 

[thylacine60]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned re the two WA players we’re in to but would have a crack at Brad Hill and his brother. I heard Greg Denham on the radio yesterday saying that he’s heard Brad Hill wants to come back to Hawthorn. Stephen Hill is a FA and had some injury issues in recent years and may welcome a fresh start. Brad is an out and out star!

 

[thylacine60]

Nope

21-6-87

 

[Jeremias]

Whoops. That’ll teach me to use Wikipedia.

Regardless, the point still stands.

It’s absurd to move someone on because they’ll be 33.

If they’re playing well enough to stick around, I couldn’t care less if they’re 75.

 

[Soapy V]

As much as I like this, I find it hard to see a conservative list management group who have been (too) focussed on our age/experience balance parting
with both Simmo and Daisy in one of season.

The issue I see Coona is we have too many that 29-30 and above, especially for a rebuild. Our problem is the 24-28 year group.

Murphy (33 in 2020) Simpson (36) Thomas (33) aren't going to get any better (they could also fall away quickly) and carrying three of them next year is way too much. Players need to start replacing them. Kruezer will also be 31, Casboult (30) Jones (29) Curnow (31). That's a lot for a club still a year or two away from finals

 

[Mr_Plow]

Thomas should go around again, particularly if Simpson retires.

Not in a position to be losing all that experience, besides, Thomas' work ethic at either AFL or VFL level is valuable.

 

[true blue19]

For me there are a handful of players we need to see at AFL to work out our needs in the off season.

Cottrell and Owies - IMO we need 2 or 3 small forwards but if one or both of this guy can step up that changes our needs a little. Gibbons and Ed are not the answer the last couple of weeks have show that they need to play in the midfield. Elliot would be my number one target then Papley or Puopolo with a younger player or 2 to develop like Jamaine Jone.


Deluca- as well as Gibbons and Ed would add the gunt and depth we need in the midfield but we will still need an A grade mid (Coniglio)


Williamson and Schumacher- with Newman, Stocker, O'Brien and a fit Docherty add to that Murphy, Simpson and Thomas should be enough to cover HBF and wings. Would love to add both the Hill brother, Ellis or Cunningham. Masten as a left field option.

We need to add ruck depth. Darcy and Cameron would be the 2 I would target.

 

[Soapy V]

My List Changes at years end

Simpson (retire)
Thomas (retire)
Garlett
Lobbe
Fasolo
LeBois

maybe Lang & Phillips. Really can't see anyone else

In Pick 14 (maybe Martin 25 next year)
Running defender or 2 (Harry Cunningham 26, Mason Blakey 22)
Midfielder or 2 (Ed Langdon 24, Coniglio 26)
Ruckman or 2 (D.Cameron 24, J.Goddard 23)
Small forward (State Leaguer)

Most being mature 24-28 year olds

 

[Coona Blues]

The issue I see Coona is we have too many that 29-30 and above, especially for a rebuild. Our problem is the 24-28 year group.

Murphy (33 in 2020) Simpson (36) Thomas (33) aren't going to get any better (they could also fall away quickly) and carrying three of them next year is way too much. Players need to start replacing them. Kruezer will also be 31, Casboult (30) Jones (29) Curnow (31). That's a lot for a club still a year or two away from finals

Absolutely Soapy.
We are "stuck" with Murphy for another season. Will no doubt contribute, but is on the decline and could be totally cooked by this time next year.
I definitely want Simmo to hang them up. Appears to be declining, body showing some chinks after being ultra durable.
In an ideal world, Daisy would also retire before hitting the wall. He seems the more hungry of the three, and is also the more versatile. Likeable rogue
who occasionally sets the wrong example for the youngsters. Can see him playing a lot of 2's if Doc can string games together, but for the same reason
as Roughy played in Stratton's absence, we need a couple of old heads in reserve.

Kreuze and Ed are our short term old heads. Again in an ideal world, and with young Goddard burning it up in the twos, we only need one of Jones and
Casboult next season. Jonesy is the most eye catching, but perhaps his late closing spoils are because he is caught out of position. Open to suggestion on that
point. Casboult, while unfashionable looks more poised and effective structurally, albeit from a small sample. Levi also offers ruck cover, which could be
crucial next year.

Also in the oldies bracket are Lobbe and, while younger, Phillips. Neither are ultra effective in the modern game despite being solid back up. The Cameron
rumour is a potentially a good one for us. Mature enough now to be confident of consistent games. He is in a similar spot to Nankervis a few years ago at
Sydney. Sydney have prepared for his departure by taking Knoll at the mid season draft. With TDK developing and likely Levi to cover the break glass
option, we could afford to cut both Lobbe and Phillips loose.

It just seems the logical time to move on the majority of the old boys with a new coach entering the picture. None of the above have more than a couple
of years left. It will be interesting to see how much "mature" talent we bring in during the trade/FA period. I personally can't see more than three profiled
ones, perhaps a state leaguer, a rookie elevation from within and a couple of kids in the draft.

 

[Osc1]

My List Changes at years end

Simpson (retire)
Thomas (retire)
Garlett
Lobbe
Fasolo
LeBois

maybe Lang & Phillips. Really can't see anyone else

In Pick 14
Running defender
Midfielder or 2
Ruckman or 2
Small forward

Most mature 24-28 year olds

 

[Soapy V]

Absolutely Soapy.
We are "stuck" with Murphy for another season. Will no doubt contribute, but is on the decline and could be totally cooked by this time next year.
I definitely want Simmo to hang them up. Appears to be declining, body showing some chinks after being ultra durable.
In an ideal world, Daisy would also retire before hitting the wall. He seems the more hungry of the three, and is also the more versatile. Likeable rogue
who occasionally sets the wrong example for the youngsters. Can see him playing a lot of 2's if Doc can string games together, but for the same reason
as Roughy played in Stratton's absence, we need a couple of old heads in reserve.

I still think we have enough. I also don't want to see them end up playing 2's for the year.

Look at defence. Next year we have Jones Casboult Weitering Plowman Marchbank Docherty Williamson Schumacher Newman SPS Macreadie Goddard on our list and will probably add another 1 or 2 runners. Not only is it enough but there is a lot of leadership there and they need to learn to play together like a good defence. Big picture

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The AFL app is reporting that Carlton are interested in Sydney ruckman Darcy Cameron.

They report that he has a friendship with Cripps (presumably from his WA squad days) and Newman.

23 years old, 2.05m, OOC, runner up B&F of the NEAFL comp last year.

Fourth rounder should do it

Way too heavy. Won't get off the ground.



Seriously, he averaged about 20 disposals, 4 tackles and a goal per game at NEAFL level. Decent for a big man.