Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

[eastfreo75]

Think GC would jump at that but I reckon the only way we can get back into the top 10 is some shenanigans with GWS

We could do some shenanigans with GWS.

GWS Trade pick 6 for two future seconds before the draft.

After the Green bid, we trade pick 7 and future third for GWS future first and second.

 

[eastfreo75]

I would only worry if Melb somehow trade up to say 6. With 3 and 6 they control that part of the draft and could bid at Henry at 3 as he is most likely to be matched at 8 and still get who they want at 6

Just depends how Melbourne sees the draft.

If they rank 4-5 players as equal for pick 3 and then rank Henry at 8/9.

Then they bid For Henry at pick 3, they still one of 4-5 they ranked at pick 3 anyway.

 

[Clems Knee]

We could do some shenanigans with GWS.

GWS Trade pick 6 for two future seconds before the draft.

After the Green bid, we trade pick 7 and future third for GWS future first and second.

Nah. We give them pick 10 instead of 7. Then we get two picks before a Henry bid, and don’t have to worry about Carlton and Melbourne’s bids. We have to get some advantage out of the trade, as well as GWS. They will still get two top ten picks instead of one.

 

[eastfreo75]

Nah. We give them pick 10 instead of 7. Then we get two picks before a Henry bid, and don’t have to worry about Carlton and Melbourne’s bids. We have to get some advantage out of the trade, as well as GWS. They will still get two top ten picks instead of one.

Something like,

Pick 6 for two future seconds before the draft

Pick 10 for Future first after the Green pick.

Net
Fremantle 6 and GWS future first

GWS 10 and Fremantle and Saints future seconds.

 

[blue shark]

Nah. We give them pick 10 instead of 7. Then we get two picks before a Henry bid, and don’t have to worry about Carlton and Melbourne’s bids. We have to get some advantage out of the trade, as well as GWS. They will still get two top ten picks instead of one.

I have read that Carlton are looking for someone to partner Cripps, ie a contested bull, Dee's are the ones who need
leg speed, same as us.
GWS really miss Lobb, need someone to spread the load with Cameron, if Jackson can play forward? Any club looking
for the twin towers, instantly fixes GWS, Pies, just like Lynch was worth the squeeze.

 

[Jebus18]

Something like,

Pick 6 for two future seconds before the draft

Pick 10 for Future first after the Green pick.

Net
Fremantle 6 and GWS future first

GWS 10 and Fremantle and Saints future seconds.

Yep this is exactly what i posted a few days ago, rekn its a win/win for both clubs

 

[Joao]

I'm not suggesting that Henry can't get bid on early, but I highly doubt there is scheming or malicious intent from other clubs regarding NGA/FS. No team is going to bid on Henry at any point (especially the top 10) unless they actually think he is the best available prospect for them. This is doubly so at pick 3 because there is a good chance we'd let him go there.

 

[eastfreo75]

I have read that Carlton are looking for someone to partner Cripps, ie a contested bull, Dee's are the ones who need
leg speed, same as us.
GWS really miss Lobb, need someone to spread the load with Cameron, if Jackson can play forward? Any club looking
for the twin towers, instantly fixes GWS, Pies, just like Lynch was worth the squeeze.

Who needs a ruck now or it the near future.

Gold Coast will go for the brothers with different mothers

Demons Gawn will be 28 in December and if Jackson can play forward, maybe. Just now they need outside run and skill.

Adelaide has O'Brien who is 24.

Swans need a ruck.

Giants have two older rucks and two younger rucks. Not sure the younger rucks are good enough.

Blues need a ruck in the medium and long term.

 

[Purple Suit]

For mine, Robertson can kick when not in congestion and has decent penetration. In congestion, if he kicks, he tends to just bomb it a bit. However, his handballing in confined space is pretty good. He also tends not to be kicking for goal but is often the one before in the chain.

Robertson is pretty fast (apparently set 2.98 for 20m in a trial earlier in the year) also great with repeat efforts and racks the ball up with ease averaging over 30 possessions a game and often getting close to 40. He also is tackling machine and this I reckon gives his fellow players a lift; Roberston is a player who is up for the fight all the time.

Stephens highlights look great and him motoring past people at SANFl level is awesome to behold. His numbers can be a little up and down and at SANFL level he was playing more outside where he can play more inside. Contrast to Robertson playing U18s or colts who played exclusively inside mid. Both can do the opposite role and I think in doing so would consequently look different. Stephens has had some level of inconsistency in his possession numbers and his U18 championships was pretty disappointing.

Testing has shown he is about the same burst speed as Roberston (20m was 2.97) and also was 3rd in the 2km trial but obviously he uses it to effect at times. However, Stephens didn't appear top 10 in the yo-yo test and I think that correlates with compared to Robertson he is just not as "in it" all the time. Interestingly also, one can't help but notice Jeremy Sharp was up there with the same or better athletically that Stephens except for the yo-yo where he was top 10. Sharp is also a great highlights package burst player who has being playing against men rather than boys but the expectation is Sharp will go much later.

The reports are that we have put a lot of time and effort into both Stephens and Roberston with multiple conversations across the year. I feel if you had the choice between Robertson and Stephens (regardless of where they come from) you would go Robertson on the basis that he is much more in the game and is much more influential over the full space of it more consistently. Im not convinced Robertson's kicking is a writeoff - it looks good when he has space and I reckon he is going to start outside if he is at Freo where he will have comparatively more time to assess options.

Stephens is much better with composed kicking in space / goal kicking and I acknowlede we want more of those kinds of players, but we get Henry who IMO is just as good if not better in that regards, and/or there are going to be likely types at pick 20x anyway if we get a chance there. For mine, Stephens will likely start as a forward pocket /flank at AFL level, which again that is where I see Henry starting off.

Still can't decide. Can we just get both and Henry please.

 

[CapitalA]

How badly do GC want another top 10?


I'd think about offering them pick 7 for pick 15 and their 2020 PP (11).

Gives us 10,15,22 + GC 2020 PP (11), and some enticing picks to trade back into the top 10. Eg using the GC PP and pick 22 we could try and trade for:

Sydney 5 and 44 (5,10,15,44)
Adelaide 4 and 47 (4,10,15,47)
GWS 6 and 40 (6,10,15,40)

just some thoughts

There is no way we are getting 4, 5 or 6 with a future pick 11 and 22....

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[eastfreo75]

Yep this is exactly what i posted a few days ago, rekn its a win/win for both clubs

Sorry for stealing your idea.

Got a feeling it might happen.

 

[arsesmart]

I tend to think Carltoon will be more of a threat to bid on Henry at 9 than Melbourne with their picks. I reckon the Dees would be pretty happy with a haul of say Young and Weightman and not take a risk on Henry. The Blooz on the other hand might go for a small forward given the missed on Papley. But going for optimism I've had a go at charting a no-Henry-bid for the top ten below. Now the purpose is just to see how the course could be charted, so accuracy as to who/where is secondary:

1. Gold Coast	Rowell - no brainer
2. Gold Coast	Anderson - no brainer
3. Melbourne	Young - offers point of difference for Dees, dash, creativity, kicking skills
4. Adelaide	Flanders - another point of difference to midfield, run all day quickly, evade, jump and mark
5. Sydney	Serong/Green bid - midfield beast as Kennedy replacement
6. Greater Western Sydney	Ash/Green/Jackson - Ash is a great pickup if they don't have to match for Green, release Williams into mid more
7. Fremantle	Ash/Robertson - pace would be great as would another WA mid with great footy sense
8. Melbourne	Weightman - small forward from Vic...tick
9. Carlton	Kemp/Bergman/Dylan Williams - each of these players have good potential and x-factor, Kemp is v. versatile
10. Fremantle	Stephens/Jackson/McAsey - a lefty winger or big man project? take your pick

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yep this is exactly what i posted a few days ago, rekn its a win/win for both clubs

I think its probably the best one for all involved.

The only hitch is GWS would need to be confident that Henry isnt bid on by Melbourne or Carlton at 8 or 9 or they are screwed

Does anyone know if you can trade a pick if you have it later in the draft but its your turn.

ie, at during the draft if we have pick 6 and , can we trade 10 back to GWS or does a live trade have to involve the pick its currently on?

 

[Clems Knee]

I think its probably the best one for all involved.

The only hitch is GWS would need to be confident that Henry isnt bid on by Melbourne or Carlton at 8 or 9 or they are screwed

Does anyone know if you can trade a pick if you have it later in the draft but its your turn.

ie, at during the draft if we have pick 6 and , can we trade 10 back to GWS or does a live trade have to involve the pick its currently on?

Why so? We would do the second part of the trade as soon as a Green bid is matched.

The only proviso is that both teams would need to be confident that Green will be bid on before Henry. I am very sure that would happen.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why so? We would do the second part of the trade as soon as a Green bid is matched.

The only proviso is that both teams would need to be confident that Green will be bid on before Henry. I am very sure that would happen.

I'm 99% sure you cant trade a pick unless its your turn to draft a player, I'm less sure if the live pick specifically has to be involved for a live trade to happen. IE, we cant live trade pick 10 unless its pick 10s turn to draft

 

[Taylor]

I'm 99% sure you cant trade a pick unless its your turn to draft a player, I'm less sure if the live pick specifically has to be involved for a live trade to happen. IE, we cant live trade pick 10 unless its pick 10s turn to draft

We traded with the Bulldogs a few ahead of when we had our pick to select Valente if I recall correctly.

As did Sydney and the Eagles with their second round picks last season.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

We traded with the Bulldogs a few ahead of when we had our pick to select Valente if I recall correctly.

As did Sydney and the Eagles with their second round picks last season.

I thought in each of those cases though, one of those teams had the live pick.

Ie, wasnt it the Dogs live pick that we traded up to?

 

[Van_Dyke]

I'm 99% sure you cant trade a pick unless its your turn to draft a player, I'm less sure if the live pick specifically has to be involved for a live trade to happen. IE, we cant live trade pick 10 unless its pick 10s turn to draft

I’m basing this purely off the Carlton/Adelaide trade, but the only reason that trade wasn’t done earlier was because Carlton wanted to be sure Stocker was there. Wasn’t the pick we used for Valente traded in just before our pick?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m basing this purely off the Carlton/Adelaide trade, but the only reason that trade wasn’t done earlier was because Carlton wanted to be sure Stocker was there. Wasn’t the pick we used for Valente traded in just before our pick?

Yeah but that was because we traded up to the Dogs pick didnt we?

 

[Van_Dyke]

Yeah but that was because we traded up to the Dogs pick didnt we?

Having gone back and read through our draft night thread, it looks like we did the trade for Valente’s pick about 2-3 picks before the Dogs were meant to use that pick

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Having gone back and read through our draft night thread, it looks like we did the trade for Valente’s pick about 2-3 picks before the Dogs were meant to use that pick

Sweet, well now I'll be disappointed if we dont make that trade

 

[Taylor]

I thought in each of those cases though, one of those teams had the live pick.

Ie, wasnt it the Dogs live pick that we traded up to?

After digging around I'm confident there weren't any live picks traded in the Valente trade.

The Dogs traded us pick #30 but it ended up being #32 by the time we came to use it, they sent us 30 and 57 for 34 and 41.

In the meantime West and Kelly (father son picks) came in.

 

[mightymouse75]

Afl drafting has turned into a mathematics orgasmic wonderland ..

 

[showemhowtorock]

...Melbourne have pick 3

Maybe login with the st Kilda account?

this set off a train of thought in my brain... now that the AFL uses computer technology to lodge the draft picks.... we should hack melbourne and Carlton's computers on draft day and prevent them from bidding on Henry

 

[ImperialPurple]

I tend to think Carltoon will be more of a threat to bid on Henry at 9 than Melbourne with their picks. I reckon the Dees would be pretty happy with a haul of say Young and Weightman and not take a risk on Henry. The Blooz on the other hand might go for a small forward given the missed on Papley. But going for optimism I've had a go at charting a no-Henry-bid for the top ten below. Now the purpose is just to see how the course could be charted, so accuracy as to who/where is secondary:

1. Gold Coast	Rowell - no brainer
2. Gold Coast	Anderson - no brainer
3. Melbourne	Young - offers point of difference for Dees, dash, creativity, kicking skills
4. Adelaide	Flanders - another point of difference to midfield, run all day quickly, evade, jump and mark
5. Sydney	Serong/Green bid - midfield beast as Kennedy replacement
6. Greater Western Sydney	Ash/Green/Jackson - Ash is a great pickup if they don't have to match for Green, release Williams into mid more
7. Fremantle	Ash/Robertson - pace would be great as would another WA mid with great footy sense
8. Melbourne	Weightman - small forward from Vic...tick
9. Carlton	Kemp/Bergman/Dylan Williams - each of these players have good potential and x-factor, Kemp is v. versatile
10. Fremantle	Stephens/Jackson/McAsey - a lefty winger or big man project? take your pick

I like the thought you’ve put into it, but if Stephens is there at 7, I’d be grabbing him as our highest priority, but I doubt we will. My gut feeling is that the brains trust will go with WA boys, which is what we’re always calling for, but in the process we’ll miss out on the guy who most suits our needs. With #10, then I’d be going for Robertson or Jackson if they’re still there, or Bergman or Ash if they’re not.

So my preference would be:
7: Stephens
10: Robertson / Jackson / Ash / Bergman (in that order)
22: Henry

I would love to engineer an extra pick to somehow get Sharpe also.