Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

[ImperialPurple]

There is no way we are getting 4, 5 or 6 with a future pick 11 and 22....

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Yeah you’re right.

 

[arsesmart]

I like the thought you’ve put into it, but if Stephens is there at 7, I’d be grabbing him as our highest priority, but I doubt we will. My gut feeling is that the brains trust will go with WA boys, which is what we’re always calling for, but in the process we’ll miss out on the guy who most suits our needs. With #10, then I’d be going for Robertson or Jackson if they’re still there, or Bergman or Ash if they’re not.

So my preference would be:
7: Stephens
10: Robertson / Jackson / Ash / Bergman (in that order)
22: Henry

I would love to engineer an extra pick to somehow get Sharpe also.

Yeah I don't mind the idea of a grab bag swag of pace with the early picks, with Ash, Stephens and Henry adding nicely to an area that's taken a hit. I also understand the desire to take advantage of the WA talent available in the range.

The only thing within the idea of navigating a no-Henry-bid-top-10 course, is whether Freo taking Vics might narrow the path around Henry?

 

[Vimal Anand]

I like the thought you’ve put into it, but if Stephens is there at 7, I’d be grabbing him as our highest priority, but I doubt we will. My gut feeling is that the brains trust will go with WA boys, which is what we’re always calling for, but in the process we’ll miss out on the guy who most suits our needs. With #10, then I’d be going for Robertson or Jackson if they’re still there, or Bergman or Ash if they’re not.

So my preference would be:
7: Stephens
10: Robertson / Jackson / Ash / Bergman (in that order)
22: Henry

I would love to engineer an extra pick to somehow get Sharpe also.

Yes correct..... I don't think Mel and carlton will take robertson... So if he is available at 7 he will be at 10....and sharp.... I will sell farm from next year to get him....

 

[Purple Suit]

Something like,

Pick 6 for two future seconds before the draft

Pick 10 for Future first after the Green pick.

Net
Fremantle 6 and GWS future first

GWS 10 and Fremantle and Saints future seconds.

Only issue I see is that GWS might not have a future first once they match the Green bid. They will be in points deficit so why will they be allowed to then trade out their 2020 1st if they have effectively spent it already?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So

Only issue I see is that GWS might not have a future first once they match the Green bid. They will be in points deficit so why will they be allowed to then trade out their 2020 1st if they have effectively spent it already?

A good point, when does the hit to future points come into effect? Immediately after the bid, or, at the end of the draft?

 

[Joao]

this set off a train of thought in my brain... now that the AFL uses computer technology to lodge the draft picks.... we should hack melbourne and Carlton's computers on draft day and prevent them from bidding on Henry

Better yet, stop them bidding on Henry but make them bid on McGinness and any other F/S or academy player of note.

 

[showemhowtorock]

Better yet, stop them bidding on Henry but make them bid on McGinness and any other F/S or academy player of note.

then hack Fremantle's and get Snuffaluphagus and Superkoops to play list manager to get us all the players we want

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

then hack Fremantle's and get Snuffaluphagus and Superkoops to play list manager to get us all the players we want

I have heard that GC would prefer some 2020 2nds over picks 1 and 2...

 

[Van_Dyke]

then hack Fremantle's and get Snuffaluphagus and Superkoops to play list manager to get us all the players we want

But that leaves the most important position of all vacant - the carrier of the bags

 

[showemhowtorock]

But that leaves the most important position of all vacant - the carrier of the bags

i hear they think Micallef has the potential to become a bag carrier, apparently he's so good they are trying to promote him from his current role to it

 

[Jebus18]

Sorry for stealing your idea.

Got a feeling it might happen.

Haha all good, ive been thinking about it and after reading the other teams boards I think this is best outcome for freo and GWS

 

[Clems Knee]

Only issue I see is that GWS might not have a future first once they match the Green bid. They will be in points deficit so why will they be allowed to then trade out their 2020 1st if they have effectively spent it already?

I think we may have to supply a 2019 pick with our 2020 firsts if we are to get pick 6.
I’m not sure what would be enough to prevent GWS going in to deficit (assuming they’ve managed to get a few more points with picks towards the end of the draft). Could be as high as 22. More likely they’ll just wear the deficit and worry about it next year.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Haha all good, ive been thinking about it and after reading the other teams boards I think this is best outcome for freo and GWS

Lols at the Adelaide guys on the main board - "they can take our pick 4 for a future 1st instead"

Yeah, and risk Melbourne bidding on Green with pick 3 and COMPLETELY ****ing over two drafts for GWS - I dont think so

 

[Redgum]

I mentioned Jackson,Robertson,Henry,Rivers and Sokol(rookie). If we fail on Stephens or Robertson,it would be also a good get to grab Sharp. If we miss on Jackson I wouldn't be adverse to going for Callum Jamieson 200 cm and still growing as a future ruck,we may be able to trade Darcy in a year or two (I hope he gets faster,he's just so slow). Callum is very mobile,good below his knees (grundy prototype).
I am sure we'll get Henry but things don't all go to plan, I would love to add Elijah Taylor, you can always do with X factor players, and I think Elijah will become that.

 

[Superkoops]

Lols at the Adelaide guys on the main board - "they can take our pick 4 for a future 1st instead"

Yeah, and risk Melbourne bidding on Green with pick 3 and COMPLETELY ******* over two drafts for GWS - I dont think so

Word is that Melbourne is very keen on Jackson. Probs unlikely at 3 but very likely at 8. Melb can wait till 8 because at this stage GWS the other very keen suitor for Jackson will have its pick 6 chewed up on a Green bid at 4 or 5 leaving Jackson to slide through to pick 8.

If GWS get pick 4 from Adelaide it will force the hand of Melbourne because GWS will likely pull the trigger on Jackson at 4 and Adelaide still have a good pick at 6.

The cost for GWS would be 2020 1st and they get some other 2019 picks back (couple of picks in 40’s > giving back pick 50’s as well).

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Word is that Melbourne is very keen on Jackson. Probs unlikely at 3 but very likely at 8. Melb can wait till 8 because at this stage GWS the other very keen suitor for Jackson will have its pick 6 chewed up on a Green bid at 4 or 5 leaving Jackson to slide through to pick 8.

If GWS get pick 4 from Adelaide it will force the hand of Melbourne because GWS will likely pull the trigger on Jackson at 4 and Adelaide still have a good pick at 6.

The cost for GWS would be 2020 1st and they get some other 2019 picks back (couple of picks in 40’s > giving back pick 50’s as well). Leaving GWS with around 1200pts to use on bid match for Green. Still likely to be in deficit but only pushes their 2020 2nd back a little.
(ie 4,45,49 > 6, 2020 1st, 59). If the 49/59 swap isn’t incl. then they still have just under 1100pts to play with.

Disclaimer: All this is completely made up, but based on a few different rumours regarding Jackson which may or may not be true.

Ehh, if GWS move to 4 and Melbourne are somewhat keen on Jackson but not at pick 3 then they'll just bid on Green at 3, obliterate GWS out of the draft then waltz in at 8.

If GWS dont match (which they will but anyway) then Melbourne get a guy who sounds like he is rated as highly as the top 2 in clubland.

Trading for pick 4 could be a disaster. They cant wait till draft night either because Melbourne can still bid on Green at 3 and blow 6 out the water

 

[Jebus18]

Lols at the Adelaide guys on the main board - "they can take our pick 4 for a future 1st instead"

Yeah, and risk Melbourne bidding on Green with pick 3 and COMPLETELY ******* over two drafts for GWS - I dont think so

Haha yep, got a good laugh at the bloke saying out proposed deal is way to much in out favour then says GWS should trade them a future 1st for a 2 pick upgrade or their future 1st which could be in the teens

 

[Superkoops]

Ehh, if GWS move to 4 and Melbourne are somewhat keen on Jackson but not at pick 3 then they'll just bid on Green at 3, obliterate GWS out of the draft then waltz in at 8.

If GWS dont match (which they will but anyway) then Melbourne get a guy who sounds like he is rated as highly as the top 2 in clubland.

Trading for pick 4 could be a disaster. They cant wait till draft night either because Melbourne can still bid on Green at 3 and blow 6 out the water

True - Melbourne will make a few enemies along the way but so be it. I guess I didn’t envision Melbourne bidding Green at 3 but they can shape the draft. There is no way Melbourne trades pick 3. They hold the keys to the draft.

What if Adelaide are keen on Jackson at 4 (they traded out ole Sauce) which would certainly force their hand.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

True - Melbourne will make a few enemies along the way but so be it. I guess I didn’t envision Melbourne bidding Green at 3 but they can shape the draft. There is no way Melbourne trades pick 3. They hold the keys to the draft.

What if Adelaide are keen on Jackson at 4 (they traded out ole Sauce) which would certainly force their hand.

Think Adelaide, like us, have too many holes to use a pick 4 on Jackson, they'll be happy O'Brien can do the job.

For the matter, I have no idea why Melbourne want Jackson, but that's not my problem. You'd have to be drafting him to play as a ruck with little to no body of evidence on his forward or back craft

 

[Clems Knee]

True - Melbourne will make a few enemies along the way but so be it. I guess I didn’t envision Melbourne bidding Green at 3 but they can shape the draft. There is no way Melbourne trades pick 3. They hold the keys to the draft.

What if Adelaide are keen on Jackson at 4 (they traded out ole Sauce) which would certainly force their hand.

Remember, Melbourne have placed early bids in the past. On Heeney and on Mills.

 

[theGav56]

Remember, Melbourne have placed early bids in the past. On Heeney and on Mills.

Early in the draft, yes, but comfortably in the pick value range for those players.

 

[blue shark]

SPS went at pick 6, AA, played for Claremont seniors, and it was only this year that he had his breakout
game.
Sure Henry is going to be good, but his CV isn't close to SPS, and we can only go on his colts, U18 championship.
The guys who have played seniors and done well you get a clearer view.

 

[Docker82]

Think Adelaide, like us, have too many holes to use a pick 4 on Jackson, they'll be happy O'Brien can do the job.

For the matter, I have no idea why Melbourne want Jackson, but that's not my problem. You'd have to be drafting him to play as a ruck with little to no body of evidence on his forward or back craft

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Melbourne wanting Jackson is just another tactic trying to get GWS to pay a stupid amount for Pick 3.

Realistically I think GWS will not end up with Pick 3 as they won’t know whether Melbourne will bid or not and will not give up the stupid cost required to get it (probably Pick 6 plus a future first).

 

[Docker82]

Early in the draft, yes, but comfortably in the pick value range for those players.

Let’s also point out that no one cared about where the bid came for Heeney as long as it came before Pick 17 or whatever their first rounder was that year. There was no bidding system until the year after. Would’ve made it much easier for us - No Henry bid would’ve come until after Pick 7 and we would’ve committed Pick 26 to Henry.

 

[stax on the mull]

Melbourne, in their planning would've had to have a few available non-academy selection players in mind when they made the decision to trade into the Top 10.

Doesn't make sense that Melbourne trade into the Top 10 then add risk to their selection by messing around with bidding on an NGA player they don't expect to get - and possibly don't rate at their pick.

Plus they don't have any other picks afterwards, so there's real no incentive for them just to bid early at 8/9 just to make us use points.